After one Trump presidency and on the eve of another, it is now clear that a once mighty global superpower is allowing its gaze to turn inward, to feed off resentment more than idealism, to think smaller.

Public sentiment – not just the political class – feels threatened by the flow of migrants once regarded as the country’s lifeblood. Global trade, once an article of faith for free marketeers and architects of the postwar Pax Americana, is now a cancer eating away at US prosperity – its own foreign invasion.

Military alliances and foreign policy no longer command the cross-party consensus of the cold war era, when politics could be relied upon to “stop at the water’s edge”, in the famous formulation of the Truman-era senator Arthur Vandenberg.

Now the politics don’t stop at all, for any reason. And alliances are for chumps.

  • Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    10
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    5 days ago

    Always has been. It’s just that the thin veneer that was always on top has now has come off.

    • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      24
      ·
      5 days ago

      No. There really was a time when FDR’s New Deal raised millions out of poverty and gave them a taste of the good life.

      • bambam@piefed.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        5 days ago

        Its Roosevelt’s fault. His policies soothed working class desperation and anger and prevented the bloody class war that we should have had.

        • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          18
          ·
          5 days ago

          Every time I hear someone online talk about wanting a war, I ask them how many bullets they have personally caught.

          Before WW1 many folks thought that a war might be a good thing, because it would help things settle down.

  • Sam_Bass@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    37
    ·
    4 days ago

    ask again in 4 years when the rapist refuses to step down and his court lackeys back him on it

    • Catma@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      28
      ·
      4 days ago

      I dont think he makes it 4 years. He is just the means to an end. Vance i think 25th amendments him Jan 21, 2027. That way he wont serve 2 years and can run for 2 full terms. Its that or they just kill him. Dems will 100% get the blame and it could get even worse.

      I think it is if you serve more than half a term it counts as 1 term for purposes of the 2 term limit.

      • Mirshe@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        19
        ·
        4 days ago

        This, of course, assumes he doesn’t just drop dead of any one of a dozen age-related health issues one day.

      • AngryRobot@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        24
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        4 days ago

        You’re cute that you think we’ll have elections again. Before the midterms, they’ll run a false flag operation so they can declare martial law and cancel elections.

        “If I’m elected, you’ll never have to vote again!”

        • Riccosuave@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          edit-2
          4 days ago

          This has been my thought lately as well. Donald Trump is simply a convenient means to an end. He is so ignorant and narcissistic that he will never see it coming when he is eventually given the Julius Caesar treatment by the techno-fascists.

          The real oligarchy that is actually wealthy instead of pretend wealthy is chomping at the bit to get in the big chair permanently. Now that there is ample precedent with multiple assassination attempts on Donald Trump’s life, all they need to do is have him assassinated for real, declare martial law as you said, and then install their chosen dictator as the public lever puller.

          They can blame this on whatever patsy is most convenient to allow them to swiftly tighten controls on an unsuspecting public. The ironic part being that in a twisted turn of fate, we may eventually end up in a situation where some of the people who got deported turn out to be the lucky ones. As Aimé Césaire warned, fascism is colonialism turned inwards, and whatnot…

  • nifty@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    7
    ·
    4 days ago

    Bit more than that, it’s maybe the end of American influence in the world because the neocon 3.0 agenda will bring intense economic strife and social suffering. The environmental and regulatory policies will lead to infrastructure deterioration and polluted air, water etc. The health policies will lead to a weak and sick population. The rich and upper middle class will live in Nordic countries or Europe, as they mostly already do, where they will enjoy the social policies that they deprive Americans of. Most talent will likely go to other countries. But I seriously hope I am wrong.

    • wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      4 days ago

      The American dream has changed so many times through the generations I’m not sure there’s any cohesive vision. I remember it used to be owning a house, having kids, and being self sufficient. Nowadays I don’t think young people even want kids- having time and money to have fun seems like the dream, which is sort of… bleak? That should be the bare minimum, but the older generations failed them.

      • Vanon@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        ·
        edit-2
        4 days ago

        I’m still amazed at the catastrophic damage one single generation can do to a country, voting for terrible policies over and over again (Reagan, Bush, Trump). Refusing to admit when things are not working, turning instead to a propaganda apparatus, preferring to detach from reality. And they’re not even done (dead) yet…

        • wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          4 days ago

          Their hold is so strong we elected a guy with dementia over a healthy qualified person. At this point only death canl release their grasp

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    28
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    4 days ago

    There are worse ways to spend your life than chasing the American dream. But once you’ve found it, like I did in Vegas, what’s called the old Psychiatrist’s Club, then it is kind of puzzling. You feel kind of naked and alone out there, because once you’ve found the dream, it is generally just a slab of burned-out concrete in Las Vegas called the old Psychiatrist’s Club, then it’s kind of hard to go on from there on the same.

    • Hunter S. Thompson, November 1, 1977, Lecture at the University of Colorado (Boulder)
  • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    33
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    4 days ago

    I’ve been thinking a lot about this, like others, and found one kernel of hope to hang onto: the only way to know a democracy is safe from internal threats is to test that democracy. This is that test. This is the tyranny of the minority that the founding fathers were worried about. This is the stress test for democracy and I pray wiser men have stymied the most malicious people in American history.

    If we get through this, and are faced with another Reconstruction period, we must be diligent and exterminate bigotry and corporate undermining of government bodies.

  • hohoho@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    37
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    5 days ago

    Right wing propaganda networks pumping out fear of immigrants 24/7 was all too successful. We need to find ways to combat this and the type of drivel this article purveys. We have to find ways of coming together instead of letting these populist movements divide and conquer.

    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      23
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      4 days ago

      Fuck no we didn’t. The problem is a huge chunk of people who normally pretend to care took the fucking day off.

      • Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        4 days ago

        That’s no excuse. The results are still the same. They still voted for it by abstaining. It’s better to rip that bandaid off now and come to terms with it.

        • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          4 days ago

          Who said it’s an excuse? I’m defending the people who voted. Which btw, I’d suspect describes the vast majority of Americans on this platform

          Coming to terms with this is exactly what I’m trying to do, whether this comment illustrates that or not. Yes, we are absolutely fucked beyond belief. But it’s not the fault of the many millions who voted against this shit. We are the victims here. The idiotic apathetic assholes who refused to vote are mostly to blame, but also the Democratic party is going to have to completely reform, which they probably won’t. I don’t know what we’re going to do but we have to figure it out.

  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    21
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    4 days ago

    Pfft, they havent lost faith in it. They just voted against it because they’re all uneducated morons who take lies at face value.

  • ikidd@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    45
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    4 days ago

    The Republican war on the middle class is what’s killed the American Dream. Doing everything possible to reduce the buying power of white and blue-collar workers has gutted class mobility. The Democrats have played along to keep shifting the Overton Window towards the right to help make it happen. Donors happy all around as they move production offshore for low labor cost.

    System working as intended.

  • IninewCrow@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    47
    ·
    4 days ago

    “The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it.” - George Carlin

    • NJSpradlin@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      68
      ·
      5 days ago

      More than half your class is too busy licking their boots to unite against them. They’re grateful for the scraps they’re being given, while worshipping their masters.

      • PoopSpiderman@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        42
        ·
        5 days ago

        I completely agree. That’s why Fox News exists. It was meant to create the bootlickers, and create the division.

        • tburkhol@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          28
          ·
          4 days ago

          There’s a lot more than Fox out there echoing the narrative that times are hard, inflation is killing you, and there aren’t enough homes to go around. Wapo and NYT would happily recount Trump’s claims that it’s because immigrants are taking all the houses and jobs while Biden policies are making everything expensive. Doesn’t matter if they follow up with long-winded explanations that his claims aren’t true, because most people stop listening when they hear there’s someone to blame.

          • PoopSpiderman@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            13
            ·
            4 days ago

            You make excellent points. The divide in this country was well researched, and well planned. The fears, and insecurities of the conservative base have been coddled, and amplified to great effect.

            • nomous@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              13
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              4 days ago

              You see and hear it all the time, the “news” repeats the lie and says something like “and while there’s some truth to that, what’s more impactful…”

              So they sort of disputed it but not really and they got to repeat the lie.

              Trump was right about one thing, the media are not our friend. They’ve profited from him at every step, propped him up, coddled him, both sides of the media are complicit. When the pogroms start, I hope the talking head media elite are on the lists.

      • MisterD@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        4 days ago

        I think the boot lickers will change their minds when it starts to affect them.

    • Buffalox@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      28
      ·
      5 days ago

      Oh yes it’s changed alright, the lie has become bigger.
      Consider the TV show married with children, a shoe salesman is married and has 2 children a house and a car, on a single lower end income.
      And it wasn’t completely unrealistic back in the late 80’s to mid 90’s.

      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        edit-2
        4 days ago

        “late 80s to mid 90s”

        Calm down cowboy! Grunge music didn’t come from nowhere, the X generation started to feel the pain in the 80s with high unemployment, McJobs and crazy interest rates! Things didn’t look good for them either!

      • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        37
        ·
        5 days ago

        Here’s a very brief explanation of what happened.

        In 1960 minimum wage was $1.00/hour and the price of the average US home was $11,000.00 A popular tour guide was called “Europe on $5.00 A Day” [over the years they did specific cities like Paris or Rome or London…]

        In 1964 LBJ decides that he can win the War in Vietnam with a massive buildup and increased bombings. He prints paper money to pay for it, because he doesn’t want to raise taxes. The plan is a miserable failure and protests force LBJ to step aside. In 1968 we elect ‘peace candidate’ Nixon [who sabotaged the Paris Peace Talks]

        Nixon kept LBJ’s plan and increased spending. He knew the War was unwinnable but thought he could kick the problem down the road and let the 1976 President deal with ‘losing’ the war.

        By 1976 inflation was a major problem, not helped by the Arab Oil Boycott that tripled the price of gas overnight. All those cool loft buildings you see in places like Manhattan used to be small factories making things like purses, clothing, toys etc etc. The owners moved the businesses to the US south where there were fewer Unions.

        Jimmy Carter hired a man named Paul Volker to deal with inflation. Carter got voted out before the Volker plan could kick in, so Reagan got the credit for Carter’s ideas.

        Reagan’s own Veep, George HW Bush called the Reaganomics trickle down “voo doo economics” until Reagan offered him the #2 spot on his ticket.

        In 1968, when Nixon started waging War with paper money, “middle class” was one Union job paying for a family of four with a nice savings account. In those days, $1 million was still considered a vast fortune. By 1992, when Bush Sr. was finished, middle class was two incomes to run the house and $1 million was what a rich guy paid for a party.

        • peopleproblems@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          10
          ·
          4 days ago

          That almost sounds like you are blaming LBJ. Nixon was the one who caused the 1970 economic disaster that led to everything after. He ended the gold Standard and gave unfettered power to banks. Inflation was the goal as inflation directly benefitted real estate. The owner class became obscenely rich quickly, and it never stopped.

          • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            10
            ·
            4 days ago

            LBJ thought he could win Vietnam with a single bold stroke. Nixon knew the War was unwinnable, but once the US forces were bogged down he kept redoubling down. LBJ made a terrible mistake, but it was Nixon who really screwed things up.

        • echo@lemmings.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          14
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          4 days ago

          And you’re leaving out so much (just like I will)… While all of this is going on, Nixon jumps in bed with Kaiser Permanente to convert all health-care into a for-profit enterprise. All of the unions are demonized and bastardized. Now you have the majority of the people in the US vulnerable and afraid where they can be completely controlled. Simultaneously, you blame everything that is happening on public education so that you have generation after generation of stupid people who are even easier to scare and manipulate and who will no longer believe the actual truth-tellers.