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Going from one shitty capitalist business to another shitty capitalist business.
I think this is the crowd that tried Mastodon and then abandoned it when they realized it required a modicum of effort.
Honestly I can’t figure out how to find people I’m interested in… or maybe there isn’t much academic/buddhism stuff on there? :/
You just search hashtags or set up a column so you have a feed giving you everything under a given hashtag, though it may be those communities are so niche there isn’t much on the Mastodon instance you chose. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a specific instance for Buddhism itself, though, given that it’s such a massive world religion.
Thanks for sharing! :)
This man ran into the weirdos on Mastodon. I’m over there hanging out with people posting about ass-pennies and no one cries “content warning!” You’re the one who decides who you follow and who follows you. If your hanging out with folks too sensitive for your liking, that’s on you.
I don’t even know what Mastodon looks like and I don’t know who the guy is, but I’m just assuming he’s lying because it sounds like the usual “crazy pronoun libs” dog whistle.
What being too dependent on the algorithm does to a mf
Seems the solution is just turning off replies
Being complicated will keep the Facebook moms, and my casually racist uncle away.
Unfortunately a lot of our peers are also tech illiterate :(
wtf kind of lame criticism of mastodon is this…there are constantly cute pictures of pets being posted on mastodon… and like anywhere else with humans these posts are very popular on mastodon.
I would say these posts are MORE popular on mastodon because without an algorithm cute animal photos are going to stick out as popular even more.
This is all nonsense anyways, Bluesky is considered “cooler” by techy types with a childlike awareness of history, politics and power because the tech is cooler when considered in the abstract.
Coincidently none of these technical details have the capacity to make bluesky a truly open and free place otherwise those investors would sue bluesky for purposefully and willfully not pursuing profit for shareholders. This won’t stop certain types from pointing at pictures in the sand and reciting idle words thrown to the wind by the people in charge for now.
Bluesky exists as a legal instrument of profit, all else about bluesky is malleable and changeable and will eventually be bulldozed or undermined in the pursuit of profit for shareholders.
edit 2 this is a real human, and I was grumpy and while it was satisfying to point fingers it just makes me into the asshole so I removed that, but my broader point still stands
bluesky has a couple disability friendly features both mastodon and X don’t have.
Whatever will they do without algorithms recommending their low effort posts to other users?
People get what they deserve.
This smug attitude is why the fediverse will stay niche. People get jobs from twitter and Bluesky showing their posts to people. Its why im on the platforms as an artist. But sure lets talk shit at everyone who doesnt want to post to the void on mastodon.
Also your feed is chronological by default on bluesky and you can stay chronological and enable some posts from your custom feeds to show in your chronological feed. Best of both worlds
Seriously, I’m so tired of this “we on Mastodon are the Eloi and they on Bluesky are the Morlocks” type bs, that kind of hostility to regular users makes me not want to be on the Fediverse at all.
It’s a problem in the open source community as a whole. People ask for it to be a little easier because they’re not super skilled with tech and then the reaction is “if your so dumb you cant use this then maybe you shouldnt use it” or something to that extent
Closely followed by surprisedpikachu.jpg when nobody’s using it
There’s a lot of artists selling stuff on Mastodon but I don’t think you can have a job as a mastodon influencer
I doubt this sort of attitude helps, too. Mastodon developers know at least some of its failings. Migrating to Bluesky is not effortless.
That’s probably fair. There’s an abundance of smug assholery in the world right now. Apologies.
I just learned that before their fundraising round Bluesky called themselves a “public benefit LLC” and I thought thats nice of them to benefit the public 😅 , then I found out about US corporate law and what it actually means…
It means that they are getting funds from the public, I’m guessing…
Sounds like a classic “To Serve Man” type of situation to me… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man_(The_Twilight_Zone)
I think I will avoid spoilers…
Bluesky is popping off lately it feels even more lively and the block tools are great.
Sigh, here we go again. I jumped on board because it’s where my friends are. Was pleasantly surprised that most of my old twitter follows are already there. Still, given the history I’m being careful and ready for the next enshittification exodus.
I wish folks would just embrace self hosting and decentralization but we obviously love to make the same mistakes again, and again, and again…
History repeats itself. Stay on Mastodon
right now I consider my fediverse and self hosted stuff as my ‘real’ profile. bluesky falls into the same category as linkedin, a necessary evil for my ‘professional’ profile.
So no, I won’t be leaving mastodon (or lemmy).
Ok I get it
Why not self-host your Bluesky personal data server?
that is the eventual plan.
Decentralization is a bit like showing people “Here’s how to make friends. I won’t actually introduce you to anyone, though.” I kind of want to at least get a starting point off a general topic.
I feel you. I really hope things turn out this time around.
Soon Twitter will complete its transition to Nazi Bar of Social Media.
If there’s openly Nazis in your bar and they aren’t being kicked out, you’re in a Nazi bar. They completed that transition a while ago.
I just made a new account on BS, I haven’t done anything at all yet, no comments, likes, etc. Immediately followed by a woman with an OF link in her bio. Is that not against the rules? How did she find my account?
You’re just that hot 🔥
It’s a bot. It’s another DAMN bot. Many used to follow me on Tw###er before I made my account private. Though they were just random names and pictures of women (most of the time not sexual), and their profiles were basically empty. Before I figured it out, it was really weird to experience.
FWIW you can probably report that. While trying Bluesky, I reported some crappy stuff and I can’t remember any that was still up when I checked later.
How did she find my account?
Just like Mastodon/AP, data is mostly public by default. I assume it doesn’t take much to find new accounts to spam. We’re usually talking about bots here, not normal user accounts, just to be clear.
Would be hilarious if Musk buy that too.
What aren’t they joining Mastodon and Lemmy? Or even Threads?
I’ve been stupidly trying to convince them to use Mastodon on the same thread on reddit yesterday.
Some prefer the interface, but I guess the real issue is what stopping them from selling it to another Musk like they did with Twitter.
I was on Mastodon, but host or whatever you call it, didn’t like what I said and got banned.
Feel like bluesky wouldn’t have that kind of power and control by one person and be more open and popular.
I’ll use Bluesky before I use Threads. I don’t want to get sucked further into the Zuckerborg.
Do not use threads
For me there weren’t enough people on Mastodon in my hobby to make it worthwhile.
Mastodon or Lemmy, because you would have to choose an instance and a client. Threads, because why would you?
Choice is a good thing, though.
agree, but for some reason many people don’t seem to think that way
What’s good for freedom is bad for ease of use.
Choice is an irritating speed bump to people who don’t care to choose, which unfortunately is most of them.
It doesn’t need to be, as long as there is also a proper default for those who don’t care. Lemmy and Mastodon both unfortunately lacked this during the periods where they both had the most opportunity to grow.
Nowadays Mastodon does it pretty well. Users don’t need to know anything, they just download Mastodon from the app store and register on the instance it chooses by default.
Bluesky is a lot easier to use vs fediverse stuff, discovering stuff is also easier in my experience vs mastodon.
the problem is its easier to use because there is virtually no federation. Ive yet to see a user thats not from the flagship bsky.social instance
Maybe you’re already aware, but bluesky doesn’t operate with instances like in ActivityPub land.
I’ve seen many people I believe are using their own PDS, but yes, discoverability is likely better because a relay is meant to aggregate and share all data it can (look up “bluesky firehose”).
I just opened BlueSky to see how many people I followed using their own PDS instance and the fourth post in my feed was from someone using one, and the 7th was from Washington Post who also uses their own.
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And ban all Israelis
You’re in luck because bluesky is literally the only one with that exact feature. Just search for user lists, which you can use to subscribe en-masse, or, conversely, nothing’s preventing you from using them as block lists. There are probably few out there where bots monitor for anyone who ever spoke hebrew, which should fit your purpose
I wonder how long it’ll last before it gets all spammy.
The good news is that users can create block lists you can subscribe to, so if there becomes a lot of spam, I’d assume some good lists will start showing up.
For example, there’s a great MAGA block list. Don’t want to see any MAGA garbage? Just sub to that list and you’ll never see them.
My wife signed up and immediately got spam followers peddling their grindset business growth hacking bullshit, a porn bot, and an “inspirational quotes” karma farming bot.
Yeah, I got all those plus a bunch of furry stuff and all kinds of kink accounts. Blueskys block and filters are really good though and it took me all of 30 mins of marking posts as “show me less of this” and blocking obvious bots. Haven’t had an issue since, really.
I just hate how the platform owners turn a blind eye to spam because of the perverse incentive. It would take like 5 lines of code to auto-ban any IP/account that auto-follows brand new accounts within minutes and never interacts with the account that the bot spam-follows.
Everything is better than Twitter I guess.
Is this running on a modified version of Mastodon?
BlueSky is its own thing with its own federated protocol called ATproto. They have an explanation in their docs on how it works, different features. There’s a bridge between the two as well, a bit janky but effective.
It’s a federated protocol, but the network itself isn’t meaningfully federated, and is basically just Bluesky (the company) infrastructure. Hopefully that changes, because until then, it’s still a centralised social media platform, despite the underlying technology
They have no reason to change that. They will long term want the exact same thing that twitter has, access to all user data and control of the platform.
Rumors are indicating that they want to offer some subscriptions to users(domain registration and hosting of various bluesky components).
The company is currently TINY, under 50 employees. So as long as the infra costs stay low, it won’t take much. If enough users get vanity domains, and they get some govt/enterprise accounts for hosting bsky.cnn.com and such.
So the idea is that they want to get to some ethical monetization strategy before releasing the software to aggregate content is released, and federation is enabled.
I would happily bet money that federation keeps getting kicked down the road. “Oh, we have to do X first. Also Y just came up, and you know it was a waning moon last night so…” They have no reason to enable it as long as things go their way.
So you can see mastodon posts on bluesky and bluesky posts on mastodon?
No, not unless the person whose posts you want to see opted into bridging their account.
If both parties bridge their accounts they can follow eachother, or if one person bridges their account others can follow them.
I don’t think you can see boosts of stuff not on your platform though, and I don’t know how interacting with a bridged account works if both of you are bridged. If only the person you’re following is bridged they definitely won’t see it, but I don’t know if that changes if you’re both bridged
How do you opt-in to that?
You opt in by following the bridgy fed account for your platform, so for Mastodon that’d be: https://bsky.brid.gy/bsky.brid.gy
There’s one on each platform, and when you follow it it’ll create you a bluesky/mastodon counterpart and send you the link to that bridged account
And I still to this day don’t get the appeal of the twitter model
Yes, I much prefer following topics over people. Every time I glance at microblogging, there is just so much noise. At least lemmy-style forums have upvotes to surface quality content rather than the jumbled mess that microblogs are. No matter how much I like someone (even IRL friends/family), I won’t be interested in their every passing thought, it’s just exhausting.
“The number of characters is limited based on old SMS standard! Lulz!”
Yeah, good way to have meaningful conversations where you can bring convincing arguments! /S
The amount of internet spaces with generous character limits and shit discussions makes me think that’s far from the biggest issue.
It becomes a pretty major issue when it’s one of the main sources of information for people though…
That’s a different thing, and I don’t think bigger character limits would help with a culture of not reading past headlines, not verifying and sharing sources, lacking moderation, and so on. Bigger issues.
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It’s good for when you want to keep up with what people or organizations you’re interested in are up to. Artists, authors, game developers, etc.
It sucks for any kind of in-depth content or conversation, including politics.
But that’s just Facebook, why would I have twitter if that is my only motivation?
I feel like Facebook is much worse for that, but I haven’t touched Facebook in many years so I couldn’t tell you why I feel that way.
Me neither, but I guess once you start following enough people, or the platform has a large enough amount of people posting there, it becomes “interesting” by quantity, if not quality.
I think I tried twitter for a week back in 2018, didn’t “get it”, deleted the account. Tried Mastodon last year, enjoyed the much larger character limit, but didn’t feel like staying.
No, and it doesnt federate even though they promised that a long time ago. Unless they do, they will inevitably also go to shit, there is no way around the enshittification pipeline. Just stick to mastodon and invest in a long term future.
For a slightly more detailed explanation: https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/ulysses-pact/#tie-yourself-to-a-federated-mast
No elon involved so it has an enormous advantage over Twitter
Thats an advantage so thin it is almost invisible. Its a centralized platform, it could be bought by Elon or shutdown for whatever reason at any second. Being this shortsighted about the future of global communications systems is not a great idea when Trump is about to take office.
That’s the same advantage all the other options have, too.
So you are of the opinion that the bluesky devs are currently lying about working to get it federated?
I wasn’t thinking about that at all, but they probably aren’t trying very hard, if I had to guess. What’s their current monetization model?
Not sure. You can run your own instance right now so they have enabled that but you can’t yet federate with the main instance. I believe you can store your own data in your own instance though but I’m not sure.
Maybe offtopic, but does anyone has a good guide on how to join Mastodon? I’m still trying to find a good instance.
The best guide isn’t written down: don’t be afraid to try a few instances until you find one you like!
Once you’re on Mastodon and following people, you’ll start to notice the servers and gravitate towards the ones you like.
I would advise against mastodon.social since it is the biggest and also has some problems with moderation. But some people like it, so maybe it is good enough also.
To choose a server, check out https://fedi.tips/which-server-should-i-join-how-do-i-find-out-more-about-a-server/
The fedi.tips account also posts a lot of helpful tips and themed lists of accounts to follow/discover so I recommend following them too!
Appreciate the info!
I use both Mastodon and BlueSky and I don’t really care for platforms like Twitter. Both Mastodon and BlueSky are good in their own ways but I think BlueSky is user friendly. Easy to setup looks super similar to Twitter, easier to navigate.
Plus, I have heard about it pretty much everywhere. It is commonly compared to Threads. I only know and heard about Mastodon on Lemmy.
FWIW there’s a way to bridge Bluesky accounts to Mastodon
Why don’t people want to use mastodon?
Are they following rasputin again?
Does Mastodon refuse to deal with its issues, like Lemmy?
which mastadon instance to join?
Yes, I never got past that stage. It seems most instances are either nazis, crybullies or flake. I guess first step of joining mastodon is buying a domain name to run a server instance on and then join mastodon as a single user instance. But then I assume most servers also ban single user instance and I just could not be bothered to join was is probably “worse twitter” when I never participated in the twitter mental illness in the first place.
If you can’t decide, then you can just use the flagship instance, mastodon.social.
Anecdotally, I joined Mastodon, found it difficult to find people who I personally know that were on different instances, kind of lost interest and thought kbin might be a better solution for both forums and microblogs all in one place, then my Mastodon instance shut down, and then kbin died too. Hence me being on lemmy.world, as default and stable of a server as there is here.
Bluesky felt fun and familiar right off the bat, my only issue was that it was still so small when I joined. Now that there’s an influx of new users, many of whom I followed on the bird site, it just feels like Twitter 2, which I suspect is what most people want.
FWIW I have a highly technical job and consider myself pretty tech literate, so I don’t think any of the issues I had with Mastodon weren’t things I could’ve figured out or worked around, I just didn’t feel incentivized to bother. I suspect they’ve smoothed out a lot of the federating issues I saw before, but at this point I’m happy enough on Bluesky to stay put.
If there are these roadblack to you as a profficient computer toucher then I think it’s safe to say this is system is already doomed to cultural irrelevance, at best just another one of our private clubhouse nerdtoys, sad !
Hopefully this defeat in the face of bluesky shocks the dev out of their uncompromising complacency and start fighting FOR the users
It’s entirely possible that my timing was just bad for Mastodon and good for Lemmy. The fact that I could jump on Boost and have an extremely familiar experience was a big plus. Bluesky was more similar in terms of migration experience to Lemmy than Mastodon was.
The other issue is that in a forum site you follow topics, where on a microblog site you follow people. The topics are here on Lemmy (to some extent), even if the people aren’t, but I don’t really care about the individual contributors as much. The people I wanted to follow for microblogging went to Bluesky, and that matters a lot more there.
Your initial post and response here describe my position as well.
Simply put, to follow individuals, you have to be where those individuals are. On Lemmy here in looking for topics and discussion, those are much easier to decentralize.
Yeah, on reflection, I think that’s the crux of it. There were some users from a more tight knit subreddit that I got to know well, but we all moved to discord a few years back. I miss some of the more active niche subreddits, but otherwise Lemmy replaced it very easily.
yea in the beginning it can be hard. Just start following people. And get your timeline filling. Try to check out other users posts/comments and follow them as well if you want to. That will you get started.
That was actually part of my issue, and I experienced the same problem on Bluesky at first. The difference for me was ease of discovery and the influx of people I followed on other platforms. If they had gone to Mastodon instead, I’d have been more inclined to give it more effort. As it stands, I’m content with Bluesky and don’t feel I’m missing much on Mastodon. Perhaps I’m mistaken, and that’s my loss. Just trying to add some perspective.
We need those cracked TikTok algos which keep children glued to their screens for 16 hours a day
Some children are even behind the screens for more than 26 ½ hours per day.
There’s an add-on to help find the people you followed on Twitter on Bluesky, FYI.
Chrome: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/sky-follower-bridge/behhbpbpmailcnfbjagknjngnfdojpko?hl=en
Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/sky-follower-bridge/
Excellent, thanks!
Meanwhile, I’m technologically thick as shit and have no trouble using Mastodon at all. If I know someone is on there I’ll find their profile and follow them. Done.
It ain’t that complicated.
It’s important to note that my experience is from a year ago, and I imagine a lot has changed. Part of my issue at the time was that I couldn’t see things like who people I followed were following because they were on a different server, which made discovery challenging. Also very few people who I followed on the bird site went to Mastodon.
I’m not saying the platform can’t work or that the barriers make it unusable, just that the draw wasn’t there to warrant the investment in learning a more complex platform than the alternatives.
I’ve been on there two years now, so 🤷🏽♀️
Because the concept of federation is still impenetrable to a layperson
It’s just not implemented well from a user standpoint imo.
email. email is federated. literally everyone has an email address and understands they might be on a different service, but its all email, and you just use their account name and the service part with the @ in between.
it’s not a complicated subject at all, and a good chunk of the humans on earth have no experience being alive without a federated service being a part of their daily life. (lets not mention telephones, or national postal services)
the issue isn’t perceived complexity, it’s that the negatives of using a centralized service are outweighed by the benefits. people don’t see it as a personal liberty issue, or a free speech issue, or a propaganda issue, or a billionaire oligarchs ability to control the flow of information between citizens issue. they just want it to be easy to use. and the more people that do it, the less personal responsibility they feel about the choice.
learning from history is for suckers, I guess
Layperson: But I already HAVE an email!
Heck: phones. Phones are federated. I pay for my phone service through one company, and you pay for your phone service through another, but I can still call you as long as I dial the right number.
The issue isn’t really that federation makes things hard. The issue is that it’s not how people are used to social media, and very specifically social media, working. And people are strange creatures of habit who hate change.
Mastodon does refuse to deal with its issues but i wouldnt say that about Lemmy. Lemmy just has a very small dev team working off no funding.
I’ve heard rumours that Lemmy Devs run that Tankie Shit-hole Lemmy.ml
Those aren’t rumors. The Lemmy repo is quite open about this. Lemmy’s devs are part of the Tankie problem here.
Honestly, Kbin and Mbin are looking very attractive, not being run by extremists. Lemmy, as a product, is dragged down by the Tankies that make it - just as Pleroma (a Mastodon alternative) is dragged down by the Neo-Nazis that make it.
Kbin is dead, Mbin is good but different to Lemmy. Also see PieFed and Sublinks.
The wonderful thing about federated services is that you can have fun with all the users on Lemmy and see all the content but not have to actually use the Lemmy software. You can even follow Lemmy communities from Mastodon and interact with posts from there (just in a Mastodon way).
Out of the loop, what happened to kbin?
I don’t think anyone really knows. It’s the single person issue, that Ernest was the only person to have access to do anything. It seems something is personally wrong for him, maybe unwell, maybe something else, but no one hears from him for months. The flagship kbin instance run by Ernest, https://kbin.social/, has had an error and hasn’t worked for months.
To my knowledge, this is the last anyone has heard from him:
I have been away from home for a long time now and do not have all accesses. I will try to restore access in the coming days. The care of the instance will also be handed over.
That was 5 months ago.
It’s clear something is very wrong, but because Ernest is the only one with access that means no one can help. Mbin forked Kbin and have been actively developing Mbin. Many, if not most of the sites called “kbin” are now running Mbin.
Sublinks?
Yip, Sublinks.
I’m not sure how far along they are, I don’t think I’ve seen a sublinks instance in the wild. Their demo seems to be running the Lemmy frontend still, if I’m understanding things right. But it’s basically a community project to build lemmy but in java instead of rust and they have a lot more moderation tools. It’s what Beehaw are planning to migrate to, but I think it might not be ready yet.
So?
So they dont deserve a single penny, I’d rather watch this platform burn to the ground.
Eh, I’m not interested in supporting them, but the code is free and open source. I’m using a client written by not-them, to connect to a server run by not-them, and reading federated content from dozens of other servers run by not-them.
You can feel that way. but I see it as supporting the product not the people. When I think of the people behind the biggest social media companies in the world they’re awful far worse than some tankie larper online and the product is worse.
Not enough people on Mastodon are into the things I was using Twitter/use BlueSky for.
That’s regular critical mass problem. The real question is why the Xitter exodee didn’t make it to mastodon in the first place?
When I investigated, I didn’t get past the account creation stage. Because each server is its own fiefdom and your account will largely be prisoner there, the more you get tangled on it, the more you become subject to its rules. I found that unacceptable.
Why don’t people want to use mastodon?
Because it doesn’t have a proper discover feed.
But there is a discover feed in Mastodon, isn’t it ? That’s what I use to discover new accounts. Am I missing something ? For me Mastodon is way better that twitter and I wish more people used it.
Discover feed in Mastodon sucks a lot for me, the number of posts there are very limited and not tailed to my preferences. On one hand, that makes it less addicting than twitter which is good for me, on the other hand, it doesn’t make me use it much which is also good for me but bad for them ig.
I signed up, out of curiosity but I don’t have any friends there that I know about. Kinda like Lemmy, but Lemmy but works great for not having friends.
I might give Bluesky a shot, but it better not end up like f’n Reddit.
It will be.
We’re seeing a substantial increase on the Mastodon instance I help moderate too, but there’s no aggregate marketing department at Mastodon so we don’t get any headlines.
I’m using both platforms through Openvibe when I’m on my phone.
ditto
Thanks for letting me know about this. Just installed it. Now if they supported multiple mastodon accounts, I’d really be cooking.
Thanks for reminding me of this app. Really wish 'open’vibe would be on Foss stores like fdroid though.
Has 3 trackers too. Google Analytics, firebase, and sentry.
Edit: Downloaded it and it is pretty cool but I wish it had more support for bluesky feeds. It supports the ones I already have but I can’t search for more.
Seems like there should be. I bet people would donate to a marketing fund
You have now taken your first steps to the dark side and becoming a corpo overlord. It is a subtle but slippery slope.
eh it is good to leave that shit hole behind but Elon already got very high returns from his investment on Shitter (got his daddy elected) so it’s too late.
Naw, that was Starlink hacking the voting machines
Proof?
My uncles cousins sister works at starbucks, which is pretty much 50% of starlink and she heared it so…
So no proof then
You took it seriously? Man where is the banter in this world
Palm Beach. There is also lots of others
I’m sure any rural broadband initiatives are going to be scrapped, all the more better for business for Starlink.
