US Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration’s support for Israel’s war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.
“Trump won because of us and we’re not happy with his Secretary of State pick and others,” says Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump. Muslim support for Trump helped him win Michigan and may have factored into other swing state wins, strategists believe.
Muslims: We voted for Trump because Harris supports Israel! He’s not hurting the right people!!!
Trump: Oh, yes. Yes we are. Now get on the fucking plane. The in-flight meal is pork chops.
Planes costs too much. Maganazis will use cattle cars.
A troll article written for other trolls from a fascist newspaper. Good stuff.
What were they expecting? He showed everyone who he was and they still voted for him.
So similar to the Muslims who voted for Biden in 2020?
If any Muslim thought he gave a shit after his first run I’ve got a fuck ton of bridges to sell you.
Taxes and finances would be the only reason I can see voting for Trump, and when you look at his plans those are also stupid reasons to vote for him.
So basically to any of his voters except the fabulously rich ones… put a quarter in your ass because you played yourself.
Now that is just plain stupid. One can make a moral argument for not wanting to vote for genocide, since the situation is similar, but not the same(!), as the famous Trolley Problem. But actively voting for the other pro-genocide option because you believed him to be a peace candidate? … This is something that needs honest analysis and reflection. Both by these voters as well as by the Democratic Party. How the hell could Trump with his abysmal record be perceived as the peace candidate by so many? I do expect though, that all the involved parties will learn the wrong lessons from this.
With all the blame, shaming and hate towards Muslim, Arab, African and Latino Americans we should also not forget: The only ethnic demographic from which Trump got a majority is: White voters.
Stupid people wanted to claim that Harris was “the same as” Trump. That’s patently false. Someone else said it best. Most of these people are in their own echo chambers and trying to get them to actually behave and vote in their own best interest is becoming nearly futile these days. It’s too easy for people to put themselves into those echo chambers.
Stupid people wanted to claim that Harris was “the same as” Trump.
What we have here are voters who thought Trump would be better than Harris, not the same. I can understand, even if it’s technically wrong, when people feel that genocide is genocide. And they see what is happening there as an extension to them (which any psychotherapist who’s dealt with someone of an ethnic group which is in war can attest to).
Most of these people are in their own echo chambers
Although this is most probably a factor, I believe this to be too simple an explanation. So about the media landscape: Yes. Especially the so-called ‘new media’ is seldomly truly independent but often biased in that they peddle this false narrative that Trump is a peace candidate. Also notable is that ‘alternative media’ is largely seen as independent from billionaires and power, while legacy media is an arm of the establishment. So the narrative of ‘us vs. them’ works even better and since the biggest names lean more right or are outright Republican propaganda channels, this could translate into more people who already resent the status quo falling for them. And thanks to the engagement-optimizing algorithms they fall into these echo-chambers. Sidenote: I’m not de-legitimizing alternative outlets, but want to stress the importance of scrutinizing how they finance themselves. We just had a case of one right-wing propaganda channel being exposed as being financed by a Russian oligarch for years. (I forgot the name)
One could also point to the rhetoric and behavior of the two candidates towards the pro-Palestinian population in the last few weeks and months before the election. One side didn’t let Palestinian voices be heard and even actively and preemptively removed an elected Democrat from one of their own events, because he happened to be Palestinian American. Outside the DNC the protestors were met with disdain and ridicule by DNC delegates. And the other side came to
speaklie to them about what he’s gonna do and that he takes them seriously. People are gonna see this.Or generally when Harris said that she wanted the ‘most lethal military in the world’, while the other side talked about ending wars ‘within the first 24 hours’. Outrageous but a stark contrast.
Or the simple sentiment that with the Dems in power genocide is happening, so I’ll roll the dice. The same anti-establishment sentiment that led to Trump in 2016 in the first place (economic in nature in 2016).
Talking about anti-establishment sentiment: I know of only one exception to this. But after COVID, there’s only one incumbent party in the democratic world, that came out of elections still in power. And that’s Mexico. If you know any others, please feel free to enlighten me.
The list is not extensive by any means and is just me spit-balling. If we want to understand what happened the answers are going to be much more complex.
But compare this post to when they’re mad about Anti-Jewish picks:
No shade at any Jewish voters who voted for trump strangely…
It’s crazy how many prefer to blame the uncommitted movement, people who fought the hardest to change the Democratic Party’s unconditional support for genocide through every democratic channel possible, over the Democratic Party for refusing to change position, at the cost of critical voters in swing states.
I would expect a campaign who’s key concern is winning against a fascist to do everything in their power to win as many votes as possible.
This wasn’t a no-brainer. There were far more Jewish people who’d tank the election toward Trump and give us this same shit show. The only viable hope was intense pressure afterward. Trump was always far more likely to backstab than Kamala, at least with her there was a chance of stronger pressure than Biden, vs. zero pressure from Trump.
That’s not true either. The polls I linked take into consideration votes that would be lost, and it’s still a net +6.
For example, 79% of Jewish Americans voted for Harris. Or just shy of 4.6 million voters
25% considered Israel a major policy item. Or just shy of 1.15 million Harris voters.
Looking at how Jewish Americans views on a permanent ceasefire and conditioal military aid, a majority support it
52.5% support withholding military aid compared to 23% to disagree with that decision.
23% of the 1.15 Million that consider Israel a top issue leaves us with 230,000 Jewish Americans.
Even if we assume all of these Jewish Americans are Democrat, which we have no way of confirming one way or the other, let’s compare that to the uncommitted movement. Total uncommitted in the Primary was 706,591 (Which may have been undercounted). On average, general turnout is twice that of primary turnout. Which would reflect over 1,400,000 uncommitted votes in the general as an estimate. Considering how widespread anti-genocide sentiment is, I would expect more than that. But it’s not like we have any data, other than the current results.
Interesting data, but you also gotta factor in the AIPAC rat-fucking that would work overtime to overturn opinions not just amongst Jewish voters but by exploiting anti-“terrorist” sentiments in general from both parties.There’s a lot of political machinery in place that’s deeply embedded. Trump would also be piling on with his own campaigning to exploit that.
But we’ll never know for certain i guess.
That’s why the best way to counteract that as a campaign would be to message about conditional military aid for a permanent ceasefire just before voting begins. That way AIPAC doesn’t have time to counter with attack ads. For context, it took AIPAC 25 million and 8 months to unseat 2 members of The Squad for being anti-genocide. Less people would hear about the pivot since it would have happened so late, but it’s still enough time to galvanize grassroots support and convince others to go out of their way to vote.
That’s fair, would have been impressive to see that.
You forget why trump is even a thing in national politics…
In 2015 when the primaries happened Hillary’s campaign controlled the DNC and pushed for trump because he was the worst possible opponent and they thought it would scare people into voting for Hillary despite her being wildly unpopular.
They’re 1 out of 3, but the DNC leadership loves trump because he lets them run even less popular moderates and take bribes from even worse industries/billionaires while still having a 33% chance of winning.
To them, it’s a smart bet.
Which is why we shouldn’t let them anywhere near the DNC.
They could have easily beat trump, but the want the awful “compromises” they say they have to do to win elections. It’s why they keep saying it despite it never helping
Neoliberalism has been dragging this country to Fascism since Democrats went the way of Third Way Politics
“muslims who voted for trump” you mean fucking geniuses
Leopards ate my face, example #5937719
All this reporting reminds me of the “But actually this Man on The Street Hated Brexit even though he voted for it” slew of stories.
It’s all just nutpicking. You’ll find far more Muslim Trump voters who don’t know who any of these people are. And you’ll find plenty who are clapping like seals, because they’re just as Murdoch Pilled and MAGA headed as their white peers.
Which just goes to show the lack of critical thinking skills in a shockingly large swath of the population.
“If you don’t vote my way then you must be an idiot” is the endless refrain of the losing party. I hear it every election cycle
Had Harris been the one edging out Trump on a razor thin margin, it would be conservatives whining about American voter stupidity.
But if all these people are so thick headed, why do politicians find it so hard to get them to vote their way?
All this time/effort organizing around him when a 5 minute Google search would have shown you he’d pledge unquestioning support for Netanyahu
Not to mention Trump’s “sharpie realignment” of Israel’s border during his last term. These people have rocks in their heads if they thought this was going to go any other way.
This is what I don’t get.
Trump is like everyone’s marvel superhero, he’s whatever they imagine they want, the alternative to everyone else… Even very legitimate and thought out criticism can somehow conclude with supporting Trump when that makes no sense.
They were upset by the democrats as well, which is probably why they turned to the only other party in the country. I know people are going to rush in and say “but the democrats would be better than trump!!” and that may be true to some extent, but the genocide started and progressed unabated under democrats. I guess Muslims can just get fucked, huh folks?
In Russian roulette, I might not die.
Or, my brains might explode out of my head to paint the wall in a vivid splatter.
Why the fuck would anyone play Russian roulette in the first place?
The genocide started in 2020? I kind of thought maybe there was some conflict in the region prior to that…but now I understand it was the Democrats that did everything and I will vote for Republicans, the party that specifically hates Muslims, instead.
More accurately the genocide started when israel was being established, but it greatly ramped up in 2023. I know you want to take the heat off of democrats, but they are just as complicit in this genocide. Yes, republicans are worse in general, but that does not absolve democrats of giving billions in support of genocide.
You don’t know what I want, and none of that is what I said, but keep pretending whatever approach you’re taking here is helpful, it seems to be helping you sleep at night. No one should be absolved of supporting Israel’s actions in Gaza. We were given 2 options, and I picked the one that I expect to result in less harm. The other option won and will now be in control of what happens to Gaza, and there’s no silver lining in that no matter how bad you want to find one.
The problem is that the conversation is being locked down to which of the two pro-israel parties to vote for. The conversation we should really be having is how to stop support for genocide outright. There are many here smirking at how people can vote for a candidate that would do things against their interests, but the reality is that both parties unconditionally support genocide. People are using the flimsy argument that democrats supposedly offer a kinder genocide, but the biden administration’s actions have not shown that to be the case.
You have a point in that support for israel has been a thing for a long time. If we see the complete annihilation of Gaza, it will not have been through the efforts of a single administration, but rather through a bipartisan tag team of ghouls.
I mean, these people (the leaders in the article) threw basically any minority group in the US and all of Ukraine under the bus to make their point. I’m not gonna say anything about all Muslims, but these leaders can definitely get fucked.
They weren’t thrown under the bus, they were already lined up in front of the bus by democrats who then pointed at the republican bus driver and screamed that they would be driven over if they didn’t vote democrat.
Have you ever heard of an analogy before? Because that’s like…the Stretch-Armstrong of analogies.
There is a reason why the go-to argument to vote for democrats is “because the republicans are worse”.
Is that because Republicans are worse?
Listen, we aren’t going to make Democrats better by letting Republicans win, that just lowers the bar for the even further
If you want real change it’s going to take drastic action with significant personal risk from a lot of people.
Always responding with “republicans are worse” does nothing except to shut down conversation of the complicity of democrats in all of this. It’s like pointing at a homeless person in the US and saying “well it could be worse, they could be homeless in a war-torn country”. It locks down the conversation to the two choice fallacy and blocks any conversation on avenues for that real change you are referencing. These voters are misguided, but it’s telling that democrats are so shit that these people thought a trump administration could offer anything different.
“two choices fallacy”? Buckaroo, you realize America only has two parties. And that won’t change until the voting system changes.
No there’s plenty of blame to go around. The Democrats’ hands aren’t clean here. But neither is anyone who voted for trump or encouraged others to vote for trump.
Don’t worry, they have plenty like the above commenter who are willing to give them plenty of asspats and play apologist about how they opted to kill more of the people they supposedly want to save AND massacre American minorities.
Apologist? You mean like how people like you rush to defend democrats supporting genocide with “other guy worse”? You’re just falling for the two-party tag team. Democrats and republicans play off each other to continually move the country to the right and they rely on people thinking they’re actually opposing parties. Congrats on falling for it, I guess.
Spoken like someone who doesn’t actually have to suffer the consequences of throwing the election to fascists. :)
Except for having relatives slaughtered in a genocide with the help of democrats :)))
Look bud, if democrats cared about combating fascism, they wouldn’t be cozying up to war criminals like dick cheney, putting out ad campaigns with republican talking points, and insisting that they must move to the right (i.e. closer to full-blown fascism) after every election defeat while never moving to the left.
Except for having relatives slaughtered in a genocide with the help of democrats :)))
That’s even more fucked up that you cheer on the slaughter of your own relatives under the Trump regime backing Israel to the hilt.
As opposed to democrats backing israel to the hilt right now? You may not believe this, but the bombs dropped during democratic party rule don’t hurt less. What’s really fucked up is you thinking I’m doing any cheering. You should really take some time for self-reflection for thinking that me criticizing democrats for the genocide they’ve been fully supporting for over a year now somehow means that I support trump. Who do we vote for if we don’t want genocide? No, I’m not asking for a supposedly “better” genocide, I mean NO genocide.
I honestly have no idea how any Muslim could vote for Trump unless they were completely ignorant. He is not their friend by any stretch of the imagination. It’s not going to end well for them.
Previous election 80% of them voted for Biden.
Did the Democrats eat their face in some way? Like by exterminating a Muslim population?
Whether Israel gets the weapons from America, Russia, South Africa, Britain, Korea, China or wherever. They are going to find a way to arm themselves and defend themselves. Decades of warfare against other countries pushes the Israelis to commit some pretty disgusting acts. Trying to blame an American political party on either side is not an intelligent response.
They could never afford it.
From Iron Dome to F-15s: US provides 70% of Israel’s war costs
Spoken like someone that doesn’t understand how much their military depends upon American aid.
Edit: spoken also like someone that doesn’t know that the US stopped every Israeli war because unlike you Israel knows it can’t exist without free weapons from the US.
And before you say ‘military aid is a handout to US weapons manufacturers’, an argument I suspect you’re not knowledgeable enough to make, Israel is the exception to that because unlike EVERY other country in the world that receives US military aid, Israel receives half of the aid as pure money they get to spend with other countries.
So when you say they’d just get the weapons from other countries, you’re doubly wrong, because they wouldn’t have the money, our fucking money, to do so.
Have you learned anything yet, or is your racism against Arabic people so strong that nothing will penetrate your desire to justify genocide?
lmao I’m American you stooge. I don’t agree with what Israel is doing. I’m also not foolish enough to think we should stop countries from defending themselves.
How is genocide and Settler Colonialism defending themselves?
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How does your nationality impact your utter ignorance of the percentage of weapons that Israel receives comes from America.
Great way to try and change the subject of your utter ignorance to one of your nationality, but you’re the only one bringing it up, and it’s perfectly clear to everyone reading what you’re doing. Oh, yeah, I almost forgot, you stooge. What a weird fucking insult to throw in there.
Also, if they want to defend themselves they should. Themselves. Oh, that’s right, they can’t.
Also, genocide is not self defense. Nor is apartheid or annexation.
EDIT: go ahead and read the edit I’ve made to the comment you responded to.
Conservative religious beliefs and ignorance often go hand-in-hand.
What comes first, the ignorance or the religion.
Ignorance.
Yeah, the religion maintains the ignorance, but doesn’t create it
America has too many morons
It’s almost like people were told a million times that Trump didn’t acknowledge Palestine existed and that Kamela wanted a ceasefire
Stop. Just stop.
It’s a post-truth world. Just…give up. We’re all yelling into the void. These people are being force-fed “facts” consisting of cherry picked data and sound bites from every angle imaginable. It’s their news. It’s their friends. It’s their family, and their neighbors. Their community leaders, and their social leaders, and their religious leaders. It’s in their face, constantly, everywhere they go.
You can’t compete with that. That’s brainwashing on a societal level.
You can’t both be right, and be victorious, in that environment. Simply because for the same amount of effort you put out expelling one falsehood, they can be exposed to a thousand more.
I give up. I have no more faith in humanity. People are proudly digging their heads into the sand to avoid hard truths and then act shocked when “I told you so”. Fuck them, and fuck me for having to go down with them. Fucking children. Fucking ostrich children fucks. Pitiful. Repugnant. Deplorable.
You’re blaming humanity for being the way that it simply is. The lesson is that people don’t have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that. We got complacent. So, now those of us who get it have to step in and make better competing systems.
If facts are going to win, it seems they need to win stealthily, really like they always have. Science and engineering took over the world with probably less than 1% of people really having any idea how anything actually works. Objective morality in terms of universal human rights and behavioral science can be integrated into a better regulated social media, for example. It just has to be more appealing somehow and easier to access. It also has to be sexy and come with some status, and other benefits.
I have no idea what that looks like, but thst is the mission progressives now must contend with. We have to win back people’s attention and convince them ours is the better way for them.
The lesson is that people don’t have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that.
Why bother to fact check any one thing when it means hunting for the single edible chocolate in a pile of rabbit shit?
You can’t even fucking Google an answer anymore, as the AI generated response is trained on all the bad data that’s bloated the system.
Objective morality in terms of universal human rights and behavioral science can be integrated into a better regulated social media, for example. It just has to be more appealing somehow and easier to access. It also has to be sexy and come with some status, and other benefits.
I would settle for it being a view that won’t get you expelled from a college campus, primaried out of an elected office, or purged from a high profile business position.
You make a good point, but the problem remains the same. We still need some of us to be willing to clean up the shit to preserve the truth.
I’m not sure I understand how your last sentiment relates. 🙃
We still need some of us to be willing to clean up the shit to preserve the truth.
People like this exist and you can find them. You just won’t have them advertised to you. Real journalism exists, but its speaks floating in a sea of disinformation.
I can only be so upset a people for failing to find it. There but for the grace of God go I.
I’m not sure I understand how your last sentiment relates
A great deal of informed opinion and intelligently dissenting views have been actively suppressed at the educational, political, and industry levels.
Whether you’re Cori Bush or Norm Finkelstein, you’re fighting and uphill battle just to be recognized.
Gotcha. I hear ya. I guess what I’m saying is, in the same way capitalism has effectively produced an oligharchical coup-de-tat of society, in the same way progressivism needs to find a way to do the same, and do it better.
The modern Internet and information landscape has broken participatory democracy to the point I don’t think the truth can beat lies and misinformation, such that it could ever be the basis for most people’s vote.
Therefore, ironically I think we must leverage the same tools and techniques being used to spread lies and misinformation in service of the truth. That is play Donald Trump and the New Right’s game against them, and do it better.
“Weird” was almost that, but it was accidental. It wasn’t evidence of change in communication strategy by the Dems, sadly. We should be doing more of this. Constantly embarrassing and insulting Trump and his cronies, and making them look lost, weal, and out of control. Things like that. Selective truths intended to get an emotional populist response, and sustain it for four years.
Also, Swift 2028 (lol)
You’re blaming humanity for being the way that it simply is. The lesson is that people don’t have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that. We got complacent. So, now those of us who get it have to step in and make better competing systems.
At this point if I were God I’d be starting the rapture right now, because clearly humanity is too dumb to live and too deranged to get it over with quick and painlessly. Every American who voted Kamela would be at the top of the “Abandon Earth, we’re all going to Heaven!” queue for the USA region, because obviously that was the last couple million people living in the Modern Day Burning Rome who gave a shit.
Kamela wanted a ceasefire
So did biden, reportedly.
Oh lord +25 -2
Blatant lies sure are popular here.
Even your description of their promises are false.Trump was the one who invited Palestinians on stage when Harris shunned them.
Lol, no he didn’t, he literally said his policy was to give Nethanyu a blank check and in the first term he kept trying to use nukes and was told not to by his staff.
Troll harder
PS: Kamela never shunned Palestinians either, Bill Clinton on the other hand…
Kamela never shunned Palestinians either
Sorry i did not realize this was a sarcastic troll chain.
