Kidnapping is an emotionally loaded term which isn’t used in journalism. Makes sense. Edit: nah I’m wrong. They’d use it for the actual crime of kidnapping.

I hate this shit. We need media to call a spoon a spoon.

Call lies, lies. “Misinformation”, “inaccuracies” “incorrectly said…” Nah fuck that. Trump lied.

The more Republican infighting the better for American democracy.

I am Trump’s malignant hernia and I endorse this result.

Tax windfall for Canadian government, maybe? Business still has to do business to stay in business. So as long as Canadians benefit, not sure it matters if they’re “Trump supported” does it?

If you didn’t already know Takaichi was trast, well you do now.

This is flagrant rectal tongue foraging for favours.

Late stage capitalism is because why.

You mean in Ireland?

So far I am unaware of a UBI policy having been appropriately implemented anywhere in the world.

It would be the end of “bullshit jobs” and make employment outside of specialist roles people actually want to do a sellers’ market.

You’ll have to raise the pay, benefits, and other working conditiona until it actually becomes a job people want to do, rather.

Right now there are enough desperate people, particularly immigrants in many countries, willing to do anything. That should be an ethical problem for all of us.

Immigrants probably wouldn’t get the UBI and would still be more likely to take up unwanted jobs, so there would still need to be instruments like minimum wage (or better, guaranteed minimum income) that apply to all people engaged in full time work. The GMI should only be needed in industries with low profits or no profits so these employers can offer attractive and fair wages.

I don’t think there’s a meaningful difference. If you’re a citizen or permanent resident of a country with UBI you should get the UBI if you’re of working age. No exceptions.

It’s not the only progressive policy that’s needed. Certain regulations over the cost of basic services and commodities is essential too. Housing/rent, food, and healthcare prices to name a few need to be controlled or there’s a risk those dependent on the UBI will be priced out of the market. That’s the biggest challenge to making it work, next to of course taxing the wealthy their fair share.

Fuck, oops. Swipe typing on Android is a minefield of typos. But it’s so fast one handed.

One day AI will properly fix my typos. Maybe.

This is why universal* basic is the proper way. We’re heading toward a world where there will never be enough existing jobs for everyone who wants to work, let alone those who can’t work, and finally the smallest cohort, those who don’t want to “work” at all.

The administrative burden of means testing so many people is absurd. And when you do and they fail then what?

People who are against looking after the unemployed rarely say the quiet part out loud. That they don’t care about homelessness, disease, violent crime, or whatever, since they can isolate themselves away from it. The law works for them, and so does the system, so they’re safe. So let the peasants who refuse to tow the line figure it out on their own.

You’re being needlessly confrontational. I agreed with your sentiment the very first time you replied to me, and clarified my concern is about accuracy of the reporting, so don’t blame me for your own failure to stay on topic.

Indeed, but that isn’t my primary concern, since we have as much responsibility to call out their bullshit. Problem is that the media gets bored after one pass and never tried to correct the record.

A responsible CNN for example would call Trump out at every opportunity during live presentations and not broadcast anything pre-recorded that Trump says that doesn’t have a basis in fact or hold any value to the public otherwise (like trump rambling nonsense reveals his worsening senility, which is handy to know).

FOX News isn’t even worthy of criticism it’s so utterly captured by the conservative propaganda machine.

I don’t disagree with the sentiment at all, I just think when you report news like this, you do it responsibly. One of the reasons we’re in the situation that we’re in with massive distrust of institutions on the one hand, but widespread believe in conspiracy theories on the other is because fact checking has fled a lot of buildings, and depending on your biases people either doubt everything or believe everything dogmatically. There are other reasons of course, and root causes. But it sucks and is tearing us apart.

The Guardian article is worded much more equivocally. “Another detainee” claims she had to kiss the flag. She has given statements herself, but hasn’t corroborated the other claims including of her own having been forced to do so. Heresay in general and limited sources.

All I’m asking is that articles make this obvious and don’t sensationalize, like the article posted by OP. Whatever the case, the abuses by Israel we have solid evidence for are bad enough.

So let’s spread potential misinformation instead! Banzai!

(There’s enough evidence of Netanyhau and Israel’s atrocities not to have to potentially make shit up.)

I don’t understand your objection then, sorry.

If she didn’t give testimony, who did? Why do you insist the article is credible?

Sure, but she provided enough testimony for this niche news website to publish this story? Occam’s Razor holds for now.

She’s Greta. She would show her bruises to make the case against Israel. She’d never be silent if it was as bad as the article claims.

There’s only one reason - Trump’s vengeance.

Feel the freedom!