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I believe NYT makes you login, even on a gift link. Here is a TLDR:
President Biden has authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) to strike Russian and North Korean forces in Russia, a significant shift in U.S. policy. This decision comes in response to Russia’s introduction of North Korean troops into the conflict and their anticipated assault on Ukrainian forces in the Kursk region.
The move reflects growing concerns over Ukraine’s ability to withstand simultaneous assaults while defending territory. The authorization aims to bolster Ukraine’s defense, target high-value military assets, and deter North Korean involvement. However, it has sparked debate among U.S. officials over escalation risks, as Russia might retaliate against the U.S. or its allies.
President-elect Donald Trump, who has vowed to reduce U.S. support for Ukraine, is set to take office in two months, adding urgency to the decision. The Ukrainian strategy may include using captured Russian territory in Kursk as leverage in potential future negotiations. Meanwhile, the risk of Russian countermeasures remains a central concern for Biden’s administration and its allies.
My take: I’ve been waiting on this since the US election. It’s sound strategy of we believe Putin won’t want to escalate with NATO before Trump takes office.
I believe NYT makes you login, even on a gift link
Requires javascript to be enabled. Fuck everything about that.
The other side of this is that once it’s allowed, Trump would have to take it away.
I think Trump will simply stop sending any new munitions.
Possible, but other countries that have such weapons are sure to follow and allow the use now.
Bingo. It’s already started.
What we need now is Taurus. Stormshadow is fine. Taurus is the prize.
I think the sun will rise tomorrow, personally.
Holding back money for missiles? Where do you people get this stuff? ^^^/$
Good move by Biden.
While they won’t be able to reach Moscow with these, even from within Kursk, I am willing to bet the authorization was withheld on intelligence grounds. A lot of things in the war make sense if you look at it from the perspective that arms support can’t be guaranteed.
Instead of letting Ukraine just burn through weapons, the US and allies have waited until they have the full operational capability to deploy the weapons with extreme effectiveness. They’ve had ATACMS for a while, so I suspect they held off deep strikes until the most effective targets had been identified and the likelihood of effective strike was near certain.
That’s giving everyone involved a lot of credit. To be honest, I sort of doubt these decisions were quite that rational.
Blindly stumbling along then trying to pretend it was 4D chess all along sounds much more like us
Credit where credit is due though, the US and NATO know a few things about blowing shit up
About time
Too little, too late. Just allowing it in kursk.
At least uk and france gave ukraine the green for using their weaponry in russia.
Yes, there should have never been these ridiculous restrictions.
Biden is such a prick for doing this.
He only did it out of spite to fuck up Trump settlement.
wow. kudos for being the “now that it’s too late to have an impact, i’m going to do the thing i should have done many months ago” president
Long range missiles can have a lot of impact in a short time.
Plus who knows, 😜, maybe I don’t have to work tomorrow!
I mean, if I was mangled into 30753 pieces mixed in with the neighbors dog and Misses Jane’s tits on someone’s windshield which is also in 1000 pieces and on fire tomorrow, then I don’t have to go work.
But all good 👍 if we can possibly get sadam putin in a bag and toss him into the ocean with honors. Or just in to a bag. Tomorrow or this coming week would be a good time for that.
What the fuck does this mean
all the more reason this (among other things) should have happened many months ago
Yeah, but now is better than never.
God knows Trump wouldn’t authorize it.
you’re right. i’m just salty because we live in a fascist dictatorship now
we’re basically russia. could biden have even done anything? i don’t even know
Not exactly russia.
I know 2nd trump term is terrifying, I’m not denying that this will be worse than his first term, but the difference is that the US has the separation of powers between the states and the federal government. The check and balance within the federal government is gone, but we still have this final line of defence, that is federalism. States can resist tyranny of the federal government, if they have the willingness to do so. Remember, that states run elections, swing states do not all have a republican trifecta. And even in republican trifecta states, there is still the state judiciary, and we might still have some of those non-magas republicans like Raffensperger.
The election in 2026 will likely be less free and fair than 2024, but with a large enough democratic margin of victory, democrats can still take back the house, maybe senate.
Maybe I’m in denial, but I consider this view to be optimism. I thought people like Raffensperger would just cave in and do whatever trump wanted but they didn’t.
Don’t give up hope. We’ll soon see if federalism really works, if states would find the will to resist a tyrannical federal government.
Time for those 2A proponents to step up… oh.
No, I think your message is spot on. We’ll weather Trump, if a bit worse for the wear. We survived a literal civil war, we’ll survive him.
The 2A solution is when there’s no hope of peace. You really don’t want them to remove the last option.
The 1st is so people can talk and work through differences. When he only thing left is to use the 2nd, nothing will put the Republic back together the same way.
If Congress, Supreme Court, or the Executive find a way to close the 2nd Amendment down. Then there’s no way for the people to fight against complete Tyranny when the time comes.
Home-grown insurgencies nearly always win. The US has never been able to win against them, just like Israel can’t win against Palestine. Insurgencies can only be negotiated with and always stop once freedom or rights are acknowledged.
As long as we draw breath it ain’t over.
Get out there and organize.
Have you seen what Russia does to people who organize? You get vanned lol
I’m half expecting that to become reality in America
Just organize with some 2nd Amendment on standby.
how do you organize with people who refuse to consider anything other than “maybe it won’t be that bad” or worse?
if you have a network of people who you trust and are actually willing to take some kind of action beyond “oh well i guess this is life now,” then i’m officially jealous
Also people can’t afford to miss a day of work and their employers are just waiting to fire them in support of their false God.
Well, a network of likeminded people won’t just find you. It’s something you’ve gotta seek out.
Look for local non-profits and political groups that advocate for the positions you care about and get involved.
Imagine being so completely neutered as a proletariat that your idea of emergency grassroots organizing is geared towards expanding nato
patriotic socialism is literally nazism
Oh no, one missile went astray and hit Mar-a-Lago. OH NO WE"RE SO SORRY
Especially when they can be equipped with nuclear warheads and your enemy needs to decide what to do about that before they hit their targets
At the start of the invasion Russia was claiming they finally had hypersonic nuclear missles. Meaning they could get nukes past defense systems. That is the reason the US was hesitant to let things escalate.
Since then we’ve found out that Russias hypersonic missles had some misfires and still didn’t have the ability to steer at hypersonic speeds if I remember right.
That plus the fact that Trump is months away from helping Russia changes the strategy.
Lame-duck presidency in a nutshell.
Sounds like your average president
Kill those Russians. Target the North Korean troops.
Burn Moscow to the ground
Generally they do it themselves, and then you loose
Better late than never, I guess.
Ah. Some fireworks before the show is over.
Kremlin. Go for Kremlin.
Too late.
Americans chose to abandon Ukraine when they elected Donald Trump and his Republican enablers.
Russia will win, there will be one less democratic nation on the planet, Russia will expand their borders, and Europe/NATO will be threatened.
Thanks conservatives, 3rd party voters, single issue voters, and non-voters. You really thought this one through.
Americans didn’t. Only 1/3 of eligible voters voted for the rapist conman.
Those over 18 who don’t vote, don’t count.
They failed long before the Trumpanzee was voted in. This is just last moment desperation after they not only failed to support Ukraine, but failed to stop the Russian propaganda and bribery machine in the US.
But, Americans aren’t wrong that they also failed long before this. They failed to support the people in favor of corporate interests. They failed to deal stop the Republicans from stacking the courts.
They failed because time and time again, they would rather try to appeal to Republican voters who will NEVER switch sides or change that minds in any significant number, while ignoring the issues that have decimated support with their own base and claiming to have the moral high ground.
Thks isn’t just on the people that didn’t show up to vote, but also the people in government that let it get to this point by continually failing to act.
What’s the issue you have with a non democratic country?
I genuinely think most people (I used to just think most Americans) don’t understand the alternatives.
Democracy has been proven not to work, and those involved in it will tell you that they agree, but there’s no better option. -
Which if you think about it, isn’t really an answer.
It’s like saying: Democracy doesn’t work, mathematically or otherwise. Try something that doesn’t breed corruption. They all do, democracy is just the best corruption.
Which is bullshit. Mixing it up is the best way to stop the corruption.
We need a lot of anarchy in the world right now, otherwise we’re just the fertilizer for power families. Our grandkids are fucked in general, except for the few that get a break.
Ah yes, one more country being puppeted by Russia, a country infamous for it’s corruption, will decrease corruption. /s
This comment is a great example of why electing a party that runs on deconstructing the public education system is an awful idea.
We’re gonna start seeing ignorant comments like this way more often going forward.
Buckle up.
When you say “ignorant comments like this” after you referring to yours?
Genuine question.
Democracy doesn’t work. The smaller countries notice it moreso. But the size of the US running a two part t system is insane, and not a true democracy. I wasn’t attacking anything but the platform that they use.
Democracy doesn’t work.
Do you grasp that this is an opinion? Because you keep stating it like it’s fact.
It is fact. Look up arrows impossibility theorem.
If you read into it at all, you didn’t read far enough.
As shown above, the proof of Arrow’s theorem relies crucially on the assumption of ranked voting.
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White cisgender males … You didn’t understand my comment Mr collateral. Maybe see you in the next life…
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Why would exactly this change lead to a nuclear war??? The 45 other times, it did not either.
So… just always give Putin whatever he wants anytime he wants without limit?
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uh, MAD? russia isn’t going to use strategic nuclear weapons.
There is alternative to MAD. Nuking US ships and foreign military bases, is not missiles headed to US, and doesn’t trigger 6000 missiles back. It is only launching 1000+ ICBMs that triggers MAD response, and US destroyed, btw.
Russia isn’t gonna nuke us. At most he’ll nuke Ukraine. Nuking Ukraine will not lead to western countries nuking Russia, but if russia nukes a nato country, they’re dead too.
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The rational move by Russia would be to withdraw from Ukraine before launching nukes. Nobody wants to conquer irradiated land, and the Ukranians would agree to a ceasefire.
Perhaps you’re missing the end result of applying your logic everywhere. For instance, in place of Europe, there would be Nazi Germany, still existing, and looking forward to actually being a thousand-year reich.
I don’t see any way this logic could work without the world turning into fascist hellholes.
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I’m feeling some unease at the thought that having atomic bombs allows conquering nations without consequences.
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Not disagreeing there. Some actual diplomacy would be great.
Funny personal thing is that used to have dreams (not really nightmares) that always ended with nuke mushroom clouds rising in the horizon. Those dreams stopped on February 2022.
Or I suppose they became daydreams.
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They only have 300 km range. They are very nice but still. Pretty sure Ukraine has struck further inland with drones.
I’m seeing a lot of comments taking this literally or saying why didn’t he do this before –
You all realise this is a very powerful symbolic gesture, right? This is a diplomatic move, not a literal one. The president of the US would never strike at this time in this kind of proxy war, and this is the closest ‘fuck you’ he can issue at Russia (which, again, would not be said aloud).
There’s nothing the US president could do to poke the Russian bear –other than escalate it to a hot war – other than this. This is an outgoing diplomatic move, and that is all.
something about this seems kind of fucky. the time to do this was years ago. what is brandon’s calculation? that russia won’t do shit because their bitch is taking over? or is he finally convinced, somehow, that russia could never do shit in the first place?
I think north Korea entering the fight likely has a lot to do with it.
Plus now trump will have to actively take this permission away as opposed to not giving it.
it just seems like something outside of brandon’s ability, doing something strategic to fuck trump. the north korea angle i agree with.
Lame-duck presidency.
Doing it before can affect the election. He didn’t know Kamala was gonna lose anyways.
I’m gonna preface this by saying I totally don’t support this so don’t shoot the messenger, but half of it was that Russia doesn’t have the resources to prolong this war indefinitely. For every dollar Ukraine spends Russia loses a couple, for every Ukrainian casualty there are well over half a dozen Russian casualties. Russia staying in this war is catastrophic for Russia so there are geopolitical reasons for people wanting this war to not end but to continue. Eventually Russia would be forced to give up.
But, now time is suddenly on Russia’s side because the new administration will likely withold aid in an attempt to broker a deal that will almost certainly involve ceding Russian-occupied land, so it’s basically a Hail Mary play right now. No more playing defense, push right to the end zone before the buzzer goes off. If they can actually strike where DPRK troops are staging, hopefully Europe can continue in the absence of the US, that kind of thing
it smacks of desperation. but whatever damages russia can only be seen as a boon for humanity. i think brandon may be trying to salvage some positive glimmer in what is otherwise his historic failure of a presidency.
Historic failure? I think domestically he has been an excellent President. Probably better than Obama. We got really lucky or he did a good job with inflation and the soft landing.
We had much lower inflation than most nations. Gaza left a nasty stain, but that was a small part of what he did as President.
Opine if that besoothes you, but Russia’s benchmark rate is >20%, their inflation is equally bonkers, and they’re now leaning on North Korean troops. There is definitely desperation in this war
it’s obviously a desperate attempt at fixing his epic cowardly fuckup in ukraine. both sides can be desparate, in case you are unaware.
but whatever damages russia can only be seen as a boon for humanity.
Yes, I too get $1 trickled down everytime Russia loses $1. My life is invested in the high oil prices since the war started, and I hope more services are cut so that more can be spent to diminish Russia. I’m sure the US will win a nuclear war too, so everything will be worth it. Saying this, helps make sure I get a spot in the VIP nuclear bunkers when the Fallout Boy reality will surely just get us to support the rulership of those who destroyed the US.
brandon
whoops, you outed yourselfnot reallyYeah. I have voted D my entire life and you fucks can’t understand the simple reality that this guy fucked us with his hubris.
Check my fucking comment history, you imbecile.
Given our shared appreciation for music featuring electric sitar solos, I apologize
Now give them a thousand tomahawks and the location of every single Putin palace.
Unfortunately, only allowed in Kursk
Lame
This is actually great news. No reason to have a nuclear strike on US or its naval/military assets globally as a response.
Kursk was by far the stupidest Ukrainian move in the war, and they are losing badly there now. If Ukraine hits the nuclear plant or gas terminal though (not a defensive move outside their area of combat), US better immidiately cut off aid/support or get nuked.
This has the potential to be mostly nothing, and get Ukraine to negotiate withdrawal from Kursk to keep some of its last Ukrainians.
1000 black tomahawks of FREEDOM
Incredible to see a Generals reference in the wild, it was such an interesting entry in C&C.
