• lordnikon@lemmy.world
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    Because powerful people turned politics from a policy / representation in to politics as an identity. People will almost anything for their two minutes of hate.

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      religion is a big part of it. how many millions of people only vote for the candidate who promises to criminalize abortion without knowing (or caring about) a single other goddamn thing about the person

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        I’m going to start a 3rd party. This party is going to be the “Fuck America” party. My party is going to run on the ideals that America is awful, and that trump is not a problem, he’s a symptom. America is the one who overwhelmingly approved of his ideas. I’m going to openly state FUCK GOD, THERE IS NO GOD. I’m going to take the stance of FUCK EVERYBODY. You guys want to argue about if boys and girls and trans should all be allowed to play high school sports together? Ok, here’s what we’re going to do, assholes. Boys and girls and trans can all play on the same teams together now. BUT!!! Every school district will also have one new team. This team won’t have students on it. You want to play basketball with boys and girls and trans, that’s fine, but we’re going to also make you play games against professional athletes who are trying to qualify for the national olympic teams. Why? Because then no matter which high school team you’re on, you lose. Everybody loses. That’s the message here. Equality for all, and fuck all of you because humans are the worst.

        Then I hear people argueing about abortions. Can a woman have an abortion, or is it against gods will? You know what? Fuck that! Forced abortions for men. All men will now have their balls smashed by the youtube show Hydrolic Press. We put all your balls into the hydrolic press, and let an industrial size piece of machinery squish them flat. No more babies.

        And as for women, we’re going to treat you equally too! No more opening the doors for you, or holding your chair. No more weddings, or divorce. No more considering your opinion on stuff. What? You thought when a bunch of guys get together, we all sit around and consider each others feelings? No. We wrestle each other and punch each other to decide where we’re going to eat that night. Doesn’t matter if your vegan, we’re eating at a place called gut busters meat emporium. Because Steve, with the biggest bicepts broke your nose, and you were too much of a pussy to get up and punch back.

        Dogs are now manditory in government. Every government position is now held by a dog, because dogs are better than people, and they’re the only good boys!

        …what? Why is everybody staring at me? Oh my god, was I talking outloud?

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          At first I was going to ask if you were okay.

          But then I got to the dogs and realized that I’d like to sign up to your newsletter.

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        Republicans didn’t start caring about abortion until they decided they could go after the Catholic vote. Even Evangelicals didn’t have a position on it until Republicans started to target them with misinformation about it. Those people think that they literally take screaming babies and putting them into a blender. There’s a video they made in the 80s called “the silent scream” that they used to scare kids with.

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    “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

    –Lyndon B. Johnson

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    The root of it is that we don’t teach skepticism or critical thinking in public schools. Seriously.

    Question authority. Question everything. But especially question authority. They rarely have your best interests in mind.

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    One’s “own best interest” can take a lot of different forms. Especially when the number and variety of plausible candidates are finite. Your preferred candidate for a given office will rarely line up perfectly with your own values. There’s a compromise there.

    If I vote for my own finances, it may come at the cost of my morals. It I vote for my own moral interest, it may cost me more. If I vote for my own power, it may cost someone else their freedoms. How heavily do I weight my own interests against those of a wider society? Political identities and philosophies are complicated, and can’t necessarily be reduced to a single binary choice that is “best” in every scenario.

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    The rich have billions to spend on focus groups so they know exactly which buttons to push so that people vote the way they want.

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    Fundamental flaw of the democracy: It assumes that people know what’s the best for them

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    Propaganda. Lack of education. There’s a reason they want to defund public schools. They’re not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. :)

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    Because the rich control an overwhelming amount of the media we consume. They are capable of shaping the narrative to their benefit.

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        This is the most important part.

        And also they push religion hard which is inherently a system of control for the uneducated and exploited.

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          Not just control, but Christianity specifically (as well as a few others) is really good because it promises a paradise after you die.

          You can get idiot plebes to spend their whole lives dreaming about it all being better after they die, because they were pious and accepted abuse during life.

          So, control through fear and hope.

          EDIT: Also Christianity is inherently misogynistic and that’s very appealing to disaffected young men who hate that women won’t fuck them. Angry young men with no direction or group to belong to are one of the most dangerous and destabilizing groups a country can have.

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            Exactly. The “love thy enemy” nonsense always got me too:

            Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you

            • Mathew 5:44

            Think about slavery in history. Christianity was forced upon slaves in US history. Think about current era people working horrible conditions, factories, sweatshops, whatever. What a CONVENIENT verse for the slave owners.

            Just be good, do what you’re told, don’t fight back, and love your enemy (exploiter/persecuter). If you do, promise of heaven like you said.

            But if you disobey (commit murder, dare I say of the person exploiting you), infinite and eternal torture and suffering in hell.

            Also don’t commit suicide, that’s a sin too so straight to hell if you do.

            Its just so fucking obvious.

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              What a CONVENIENT verse for the slave owners.

              reminds me of the joke that in another two thousand years, future archeologists will have no idea what is the difference between butt dial and booty call.

              and yet here we are with piece of shitty fiction written two thousand years ago, being passed in oral tradition and rewritten and retranslated multiple times, and some morons are trying to use it and force it upon others as a guideline how to live a life in 21st century…

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          I was an atheist for the last 20 years and recently converted to Unitarian Universalist.

          I would say that in the west, this characterization tends to be true. But I do think there are honest faith communities acting with good intent. Unfortunately, there are few.

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          “There’s no educating a smart boy.”

          — Terry Pratchett, Thief of Time (Discworld, #26)

          GNU Sir Terry

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          Probably the exception to the rule. I did as well, and constantly find myself at a loss for how it simply doesn’t occur to most people to stop and think about something for a split second as opposed to just impulsively doing whatever.

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          It’s more that the system itself just leaves more and more children behind, as passing kids who aren’t actually making the grade has become the norm because parents are abusive and more apt to harass/harangue and schools are pressured with funding to make sure enough kids are graduating. Teachers themselves are left with few options and there’s still bright kids, they’re just waaaaay in the minority compared to the apparently teeming masses of absolute fuckwits.

          Also, I’m in my 40’s and when I think of the quality and intelligence of the people I graduated with? Well, maybe it hasn’t gotten that much worse, actually. Because I remember thinking everyone around me was a fucking idiot, tempering that thought as I got older, but now I’ve come back full fucking circle to these people are fucking idiots, raising other idiots.

          If kids are dumb today, millennials are on the hook for it, boomers didn’t do this one.

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            Hey, not ALL millennials are on the hook for this one!

            For instance, I never found anyone to love me, and have kids with. So THERE! You can’t blame ME for idiots today!

            …but also yes. Kids in the 90s, that I went to school with were fucking idiots. Including me.

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            I always think of the George Carlin saying…

            "imagine how stupid the average person is… then realize half of all people are stupider than that. "

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            If kids are dumb today, millennials are on the hook for it, boomers didn’t do this one.

            The bulk of older teenagers/college kids are from Gen X, not so much from millennials.

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    In the US at least, the systematic demolishing of the education system has led to a vast reduction in overall education and critical thinking skills. This was done on purpose. That, combined with the unexpected boon of the Internet, has led to massive wealth shifting from the many to the few.

    You see the results of this change everywhere, especially on the Internet. Lack of basic spelling and grammar skills are just one symptom. All of that is to say that humans are primates and easily trained.

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    Let’s say I’m an American male. I like football. I like the NY Jets, because I also like to suffer.

    I don’t have to read the news, or go to news websites, or listen to news radio, to hear about my Jets. I don’t have to risk accidentally learning about what’s going on in the world watching the 6 o’clock news every evening when all I really want to know is the latest saddening Jets news.

    I can listen to podcasts that tell me about jets players health, fantasy picks, gossip, the latest games, and betting strategy. In the offseason my podcasts don’t go off air. I can go to websites where algorithms that have already identified me as a Jets fan bury any news about politics or social issues under a mountain of roster updates and advertisements for beer (because Jets fans need it).

    Then it comes time to vote. These democrats all seem to talk about stuff I don’t care about or understand. This Trump guy says he will do stuff. I hate the way things are, but I don’t know why they are that way. Corporate monopolies? Antitrust? Voter suppression? All that shit got buried under Aaron Roger’s passing stats. And Trump wasn’t all that bad when he was president. Certainly better than I feel now, and while I’ll pore over individual player stats to take matchups into account when I set my fantasy football roster I’m not gonna go pore over statistics on the economy or anything. That shit is complicated and boring, and football stats are definitely not. So I never have to risk remembering that Trump was pretty fucking bad.

    On Election Day I vote for the guy who says he’ll do stuff, and it’s easy to do it, and it’ll be fast, and I’ll like the outcome. I won’t vote for the party that gave up 30 years ago and whose message is basically “come on guys we’re trying really hard but this governing thing is impossible!”

    That’s how, basically. That and bigots.

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    Put simply: They’re being lied to. Consistently and perniciously.

    The lie is that their vote is going to benefit them somehow. Or that it’s going to hurt someone else exclusively. And, sometimes, it’s both—that it’ll hurt someone else, while bringing a benefit.

    In all three cases, the real truth—that they themselves will still suffer—is neatly hidden away.