I accept millionaires.

I’ve yet to see moral billionaires.

Krasnov

See the thing you don’t understand is that I’m not angry I suffered for days. It’s unjust I did, but I rather like new novel experiences and being deprived like that and tortured sure was one. I hated it and it gave me strong PTSD for a few years where I would wake in the middle of the night drenched sweat, hearing a neighbours doorbell ring. That sensitive my nervous system was. For several years. Still is, to an extent. But no, I’m not trying to use my personal experience to justify anything. I’m using it as an example.

I’m angry because they took away my faith in the Finnish justice system. It was nowhere near the first hit to my faith in it, mut it was definitely the last nail in the coffin.

And that’s the most insidious part.

Thats his authoritarianism begins.

We’ve public trials, but I’ve a hidden recording of a judge forbidding me from recording my own public trial. They’re not allowed to ban that unless it’s like a severe pedophile case or something. Not over speeding or a few grams of weed.

There’s no ways of explaining what happened than blatant disregard, nay, blatant ignorance of basic humans decency, and actual human rights — by the authorities.

If you saw a man in the condition I was in, in like the middle of the woods somewhere and didn’t call for an ambulance, you could be charged with a crime. Yet I was “under supervision for my safety” and didn’t get a doctor. While actively bleeding for days.

If that can happen to me, what else is going on as well?

Grow up and learn to talk like adult and maybe people start listening you.

Please do.

You’re too naive to actually realise the dangers of being complacent to authoritarianism. Unchecked power grows in corruption.

“I don’t take random pictures as facts.”

No, you’re in denial. You don’t want to say I’ve faked the picture, because clearly I haven’t, yet you have no alternative explanation as to how such a thing could happen in Finland. I would not have believed this possible before it was done to me. And I know proper criminals, people who have done time for murder, torture, kidnapping.

“Fuck around and find out”

You’re a disgusting piece of shit with no morals. You wouldn’t dare say any of this even on voice-chat with me. I double-dare you. Prove me wrong. https://discord.gg/EATXXJUt

You think that if the cops mistreated someone, that person must have deserved it, because you are UNABLE to accept that Finland may have systemic, wide corruption. That the Finnish police may not actually follow the rule of the law, as it’s written. I know that it’s hard for someone like you to accept. Which is the exact point.

In states police has shot people for filming them and you would be in much bigger trouble for cultivating.

Oh, so it doesn’t matter when our police torture people, because they don’t murder people on the street? You don’t see how pathetically childish of you it is to even pull such an argument up?

I’ll edit this comment from my phone to add two images. One is my pinky, about a week after I got out. The other is the second image from the cell.

Just for the tiniest while. Try and use your imagination and imagine what it would feel like to suffer through that. I was detained under the suspicion of a huumausainerikos. That has the maximum punishment of two years, same as speeding. There was very clearly zero conection to any sales, any distribution and it was very clearly personal use. So they had absolutely no reason to change my detainment into an arrest. I had had a nap up to that point, as I was ready to face the fine that I would get, because this is a finable offense (literally no-one goes to prison for a huumausainerikos unless you’ve literally 10 or more of them while on parole), just like speeding.

I asked why I’m being arrested. They said “we already told you”. I began to ask them over the radio for my lawyer and my rights. They told me “no, they’ve already been explained.” Then they closed off the radio. Then I knocked for a while. Then they came with four officers and took me to isolation “for my safety.”

I can quote you lex.fi legislation where it shows that during detainment or arrest you are always allowed to have a physical copy detailing your rights.

They got mad at me because they’re fascistic little piggies (the guards who do the guarding at the police station are not police officers, but police officer wannabes with uniforms similar otherwise but it reads “vartija”) who got annoyed that I knew more than them. Was I also provocative? You bet your fucking ass I was, but that doesn’t make it any different. If you can’t take a personal offence when you’re a fucking cop, change your job.

You, however, are just another example of the trait I’m talking about. Finnish emotional stuntedness stemming from pathological avoidance. It’s literally built into the language, I don’t blame you for having it, it would require true self-reflection and understanding of other cultures to get over it. You should try it sometimes.

“Typical jail cells scribblings”

You’ve never been in a jail cell, I see.

Now you’re just in denial.

I literally wrote “I wrote over 300 words in my own blood” some dozen times in comments to you. Don’t pretend this is coming as a surprise now that you actually can’t explicitly say any alternative despite implicitly wanting so badly to avoid the subject.

This conversation is about Finnish emotional stuntedness, which is due to the inherent psychological avoidance “built-in” to Finnish culture and language. I could explain the reasons why it’s evolved and developed in the first place, but I don’t feel like explaining it to a kusimulkku.

You still haven’t accepted it’s actually happened. You’re still implicitly avoiding it. Despite having no alternative to what happened, despite me very clearly explaining what happened and you having literally said “that’s probably not true”, based on just your fear of accepting that anything like that could ever happen in Finland.

That exact fucking “ei meiä lintukodosssa” attitude is what is protecting the cops and why Finland has more human rights violations from ECHR than the rest of the Nordics combined.

I have also explained those two things, several times.

Here I went to my old phone to get you these

You won’t be able to accept that I was literally tortured. Not physically brutalised, mind you, but that isn’t the only form of torture. It’s would’ve loved being beaten for three days in a dark room compared to this.

See how much food there is? None of it eaten?

Oh for fucking sake, stop it.

I mentioned and highlighted it several times, in every comment.

Please, your explanation of what legal thing does Finland have that allows a man to draw on the walls with his own blood under "supervision to ensure your safety, for days on end.

Do tell me.

Go ahead.

I’m very curious to hear your version of what happened to me.

You don’t see the blood on the walls or do you honestly imagine that it’s legal for police to put a person suffering from psychosis to an isolation cell and deny them their medication and access to healthcare AND water while they eat themselves, try to kill themselves, and draw with their own blood on the walls?

You’re pathologically avoidant. Literally, LITERALLY unable to accept reality.

You’re sick.

So am I, but at least I know I am.

Fuck right off.

I he heard that a million times. You refusing to accept reality doesn’t mean I haven’t considered I’m wrong.

“You and your close circle”

No. Fucking Finland. More human rights violations than the rest of the Nordics combined.

You’re just another delusional sääntöhuora who is literally unable to accept reality

https://yle.fi/a/3-5245931

Please give me a version of what happened to that cell which you think is legal and proper.

You and Kusimulkku are textbook examples of the sickening trait I’m talking about.

Oh they “fixed it” huh? The cops didn’t get any sanctions at all. I didn’t get even a letter informing me I was right. Had to read it from the papers.

In the US, where this sort of sääntöhuoraaminen isn’t a natural trait unlike it is for Finns, the whole trial would’ve been mistrialed and I’ve would’ve actually got compensation.

But no.

People like you disgust me.

Finland has more human rights violations than the rest of the Nordics complained.

You’re just utterly delusional and willfully ignorant.

You’re a coward and can’t explain what you think. Did I fake the image?

So you’re saying I should have more evidence of them breaking my rights than the amount off evidence I have, because they illegally stopped me from filming the rights being broken?

And you genuinely how you don’t see how youre delusional?

I could give you all the court documents, all the recordings of the phone calls with my lawyers, all the doctors statements I have describing how I almost reached an artery with the makeshift shiv I managed to make. I still have permanent scarring on both hands and lack the tip of my pinky finger.

If I did any of those things to someone, it would be aggravated assault. Pysyvä fyysinen vamma.

Explain to me how a person who has prescribed antipsychotic medications which he is prevented from taking, is placed under “supervision for his own safety” manages to draw hundreds of words on the walls?

Explain to me how it makes sense to you, paskahousu.

You’re so deluded it’s sickens me to my fucking stomach. You wouldn’t have the balls to say any of this to my face.

You want me to share the personal info of other people?

Its curious how you still delude yourself, deny photographici evidence, refuse to accept ANY criticism of Finland and victim blame the victim of literal fucking torture.

That’s disgusting and it’s because you’re afraid.

What pictures are you talking about? The one about the holding cell? That in its self does not mean anything.

This is what I mean.

How in the hell do you defend keeping someone locked up when they don’t eat or don’t sleep and you keep their PRESCRIBED antipsychotics from them.

I have doctors statements showing my bleeding and infected arma from after that treatment. I’ve a psychotherapist’s diagnosis of PTSD of it

I wouldn’t have believed it before it happened, but it did.

And you have literally zero empathy and willfully ignore the evidence. Just claim “no didn’t happen that’s probably faked image”.

Have you ever tries eating a part of your own body? I chewed the end of pinky off, a I could use it as a paintbrush.

300 words. WORDS. ON MY OWN BLOOD.

Just pleased explain to me how it makes sense in your little head that putting me in an isolation cell “for my protection”, while under constant supervision, someone would let this happen?

They also deleted the footage. Want to hear the phone call with my lawyer when he talks about it?

You still wouldn’t believe it.

This is exactly what I mean. Deluded people excusing authoritarianism, because “oh but the police were always polite to me”.

Youre deluded and doing hardcore avoidance, which is endemic to Finland or at least Finns and that’s been my point all the time.

Want to put a reminder for two years because ECHR takes years to handle human rights violation cases.

I starred filming the cops the instant they forced my door open and came into my apartment without a permission. (Search warrants aren’t like in the US, but you do need to be a senior constable to be able to decide it, neither of them were.)

The 6s bit I managed to film I used, and Korkein oikeus agreed with me.

https://www.hs.fi/suomi/art-2000009654524.html

You’re just deluded. Willfully ignorant. Guess what things that leads in a society? "Oh everything is well, these well documented abuses definitely don’t happen because officers on the street know how to smile at me at traffic stops.

I never had a single issue with cops either. Until they abused me.

You trust you have rights because they’re in the law. Unfortunately doesn’t matter at all. The cops investigating themselves? Guess if they found fault about themselves?

In the US at least there’s people who demand their rights, which is why they can’t have entirely cases mistrialed, because there’s actually people in the US who believe and understand people have rights.

You don’t even have the capacity for empathy, much less an understanding of human rights or standing up for justice.

Coward.

A long fucking story that no Finns believe.

Despite me still having the scars and photos to prove it.

Cops deleted the video material.

Tried charging them and reaching out to oikeuasiamies the ombudsman, and they refused to accept fault either.

But do tell if you think cutting of water from a person in active psychosis (because you refused to give them their prescribed medications as “unnecessary”), who’s actively bleeding, after he’s not slept for three days, is, idk… appropriate and in accordance with Finnish values? (Because it’s not in accordance with the universal declaration of basic human rights)

Why?

Because I can’t be criticising me being tortured and that torture being ignore by literally every single Finnish person I know isn’t a good enough reason to be annoyed, someone must have “pissed in my breakfast”.

For your info, I can’t eat milk anymore. The PTSD I got was so bad my GI symptoms got wildly over fucked and now I’m on a really restrictive diet.

But hey.

At least you made a comment you think is wisecrackin as fuck. “Put me in my place”, right, gansta?

Yeah.

Because you are.

Youre still not even implicitly accepting this even happened.

My own mother did that to me.

That image has a mattress and a blanket. I had neither. The police destroyed evidence and prevented me from filming them from the start of their illegal home search.

The Supreme Court of Finland doesn’t think I’m delusional.

https://www.hs.fi/suomi/art-2000009654524.html

That’s my case. But you just refuse to accept I was literally tortured. You can’t talk about it, because you know it happened, and there is no way you it can be justified and that would mean there’s systemic issues and violent disregard for basic human rights — and you simply can not accept that, so you **delude yourself. **

They tried blaming me for vandalising the hell with my blood. I got a lawyer to ask for the surveillance tape. It miraculously vanished and the lawyer said he’s never heard the cops be so scared on the phone.

But no, elä sinä lintukodossa. Valitettavasti se on olemassa sun and päässä eikä missää muualla.

Being in the minority doesn’t mean you’re wrong. You know this perfectly well. Facts matter, not your fear of avoiding feelings related to those facts.

So you’re trying to score internet points by ridiculing a victim of torture.

Cool beans man, definitely proves me wrong, right?

It’s a perfectly coherent example of the depths that emotional stuntedness comes out as; pathological avoidance.

You’re still doing it, and wrote that comment in a way that you don’t even implicitly accept that this actually happened. And you’re a random person on Lemmy, probably a bit left leaning, smart-ish, etc.

You don’t understand that the psychological avoidance you’re doing is endemic in Finland, Finnish culture, and the Finnish language.

The fact that I’m having to spell this out THIS hard is very much what I’m talking about. You pretend like you don’t know that everyone can see that your avoiding this subject on purpose. AVOIDING. As in, not facing a thing, because you’re afraid of something.

You simply can not accept flaws and mistakes in Finland. You say you can, but you clearly can not. That is the issue. You delude yourself while avoiding all emotion.

Read the conversation back and see how many times you’ve even implicitly acknowledged I was stuck in a cell writing with blood on the walls, breaking my basic human rights.

The fact that I have to actually spell it out for you IS the problem. That IS the avoidance I’m talking about.

You came to this thread to tell me Finnish people don’t do the exact thing you’re doing. Congrats.

It’s always the same, and I’m tired of how deeply embedded that is in Finnish culture.

Read the conversation back and see how many times you’ve even implicitly acknowledged I was stuck in a cell writing with blood on the walls, breaking my basic human rights.

The fact that I have to actually spell it out for you IS the problem.

You are quite literally avoiding even saying there is a fault to begin with.

When confronted with photographic evidence of torture.

Tä on just sitä välttelyä mistä mä puhuin.

It’s called avoidance. And it’s a sickeningly strong trait in Finnish. I don’t think you understand how deeply that trait is connected to the Finnish people. It’s literally in the language when you know what you’re looking for. But you can’t see it when it’s shoved in your face so you definitely won’t understand it on that level.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoidance_coping

Coward