I hate when people say that they’ll only move when it has 100% support
People who say ‘cant wait for steamOS to come out so that I can move to it’ is also very similar
They never will try Linux, even if what they want comes true
They won’t do it, whether they just fear change or think it’ll break stuff or they can’t bother
And I’m not going to lie, I don’t hate them or debate with them for it, I just hate the bold lies they tell just to get with the crowd
“Fuck you Microsoft, I’m moving to Linux” says the individual that would never move if they haven’t already
Frankly, I probably wouldn’t move either if Windows didn’t permanently break my ethernet and WiFi drivers, and reinstalling windows wasn’t harder than installing Linux, fucking hell
Either way, these people kick up hype for a Linux that will be so much bigger but they never arrive
Maybe they will, due in fucking 2028 or something when they invent a really easy way to use built in Linux tools to move your files from NTFS to Linux and then when you launch steam you have a perfect library of Linux compatible games that are as good or better than windows
And don’t lie, even now with 80% compatibility it feels more like 60%, whether because it depends on the system one runs or because the performance drops just make it not worth it…
At least don’t lie that you’ll move to Linux at a goal post that you’ll just move whenever you get close, maybe say that you’ll move to Linux when you finally get a new pc with a new disk or something?
Switching from Windows to Linux was a refreshing experience. I’ve never encountered any problems running Windows games on Linux.
The only thing I miss is ShareX.
Check out flameshot, not quite the same but still very good.
I have Flameshot. Only trying to implement the OCR (which I use the most)
If you are on KDE, Spectacle is top and can do everything even recording.
Thanks for the suggestion.
I mean moving from linux now is a bit like moving from reddit back when they screwed with the api. I don’t care really if other people do but its long past due that I move along. Should have done it years ago.
The games I want: emacs, golang, docker, nginx, prometheus, grafana…
Nethack works well on Linux too.
As a Linux user, this post is exhausting.
SteamOS is exciting. Many people had their first proper experience of using Linux with the steamdeck and many of those thoroughly enjoy the experience. I imagine its a great comfort to know that your OS is being supported by the same people who gave you such a great experience in the past.
I’m sure theres a tiny fraction of people who absolutely are just moving the goalpost over and over, but most people just want something that works for them with minimal friction. SteamOS will do that, and it’ll be familiar.
Why is it a lie if people don’t want to switch, because their games are not there yet? Maybe someone plays a lot League of Legends, or Fortnite, or Valorant, or Destiny 2 or whatever [insert your game here]. They don’t know what awaits them in Linux and think its a similar operating system without the bullshit of Microsoft. Lot of people would happily switch, if they have the courage to install it themselves (with burning iso or boot disks). If the games are the most important thing, then its hard to argue to switch, if their games are not working in Linux. Because doing so would mean leaving friends behind too.
Its not a lie. My brother is in a similar situation. He purchased a Steam Deck in a situation where he was thinking about getting a laptop. First it was nice, but then more and more he could not play the games he wanted to, besides a few software compatibility issues like Discord. Now the next PC he purchased (I build it for him) has Windows. Windows bugs him, but its a necessary evil. He will switch, if his games are working in Linux and if he can be confident that future games he want to play will work on Linux as well.
Why is it a lie if people don’t want to switch, because their games are not there yet?
It’s the generic they don’t like what I like cope.
Since ProtonDB (and obviously Proton itself, Wine with its own WineApp DB, SteamOS) there is an easy way to check if your favorite games do work. That being said I understand that people are afraid. They might think “OK… well Elden Ring works but what about the DLC, or upcoming Elden Ring Nightreign?” and believe, probably rightfully so to be honest, that because Windows is still the most popular OS for gaming on PC and that game publishers are economically rational actors, more testing and fixes will be done against that target platform.
So… 100% is a ridiculous coverage because it’s impractical but IMHO they are not that silly to “want” it. It’s just a simpler way to say they are scared and do not want to bother. They would rather follow the crowd than take a risk themselves and be trail blazers.
All that being said now that ProtonDB exists and Valve is actively radically improving support via Proton, that gamers see in the wild SteamDecks popping up literally around them, in flights, airports, waiting rooms, etc they just can not ignore the fact that support is improving enough to have fun. Mentality will change but it takes time and Microsoft is fighting back because despite having Azure as their dollar printing asset, they are just hooked on bundling.
They might think “OK… well Elden Ring works but what about the DLC, or upcoming Elden Ring Nightreign?” and believe, probably rightfully so to be honest
But is it justified? I can’t think of a single new release PC game (without anti-cheat. I don’t play multiplayer online games really) that hasn’t worked on Linux with, at most, very little tinkering.
I don’t actually know BUT it would be amazing to start with a ranking, e.g. https://www.npr.org/2024/07/16/g-s1-9554/best-games-2024-picked-by-npr-staff , and see if 100% of those via e.g. ProtonDB API or even manually (but not ideal to stay up to date), are above a quality threshold, say Gold or Platinum (or obviously native) then tell everyone about it.
Because… if it’s true that 100% of those (anti-cheat excluded) do work then even I, a gamer who runs exclusively Linux on PC and handeld, would be assuming maybe 80%.
I think you put too much weight on everything, including your opinion. I am not trying to be insulting, just realistic.
I can equally say that I hate how so many people say, “just switch to Linux, its easy and does everything.” Neither of those is the case because it doesn’t factor in the learning curve nor does Linux do everything.
So if you want more Linux users, focus more on being helpful. Ask what their specific concerns are, or what apps they must have vs would be nice to have. Point people to distros that would fit their use case (it’s mind boggling as a non Linux user to just look up what distro to get). Then point them towards how to find answers to their questions and troubleshooting steps.
Nuture the seeds you plant and they will grow. Yelling at them that they aren’t growing isn’t going to help.
But immediately dismissing people’s problems is the Linux way. Linux is perfect, I had no issues with it, so if you have any issues you’re simply wrong!
I kept saying once upon a time"I’ll make the switch to Linux but X doesn’t work, so not yet. "
I dual booted for a while. That “a while” ended when Windows ate GRUB.
I had enough. I decided enough was enough. I kept windows on one SSD, just in case I wanted to go back. That didn’t last long, I wiped that drive, and formatted it to BTRFS. Now none of my drives are NTFS.
For the one case I “need” Windows, I spun up a VM (and configured USB passthrough) for Windows. That is for a guitar pedal and amp that I need Windows for updates. But I don’t remember the last time I booted up that VM.
For music recording and production I installed Reaper for Linux natively, but that was an easy transition considering Reaper was what i used in Windows. Sure VSTs were a big concern for me, so I investigated VST bridge type software. And I can’t recall the ones I investigated. But this is where I am at on my journey.
I don’t care how “easy” it is to just stay the same and keep using Windows, it isn’t for me. I don’t agree with their data collection policies. I don’t agree with the “black box” mentality. I want to know what is happening on my system. I want to understand what I am using. And at a certain point with Windows, I just don’t have the ability, tools, or inside scoop to fully learn that.
With Linux, the journey may have taken time, effort, and willingness to troubleshoot and learn but it ultimately is a better experience.
There have been very few games I couldn’t get working on my system, but those games aren’t enough to sell out my ideals. I will never go back.
I would rather be a farmer.
modern games are trash and slop
better to install linux and play retro games made by creative game devs
What a horrible take
Maybe look past triple A games next time you make such an assessment
This is an terrible take. You must have switched the moment you became aware of Linux, had no qualms or before the switch, didn’t mull it over even a little bit.
Please go back in time to when you weren’t using Linux yet, and direct this rant at yourself and see how you like it.
I had no interest in linux half a year ago and now I go around telling people that linux is less tinkering and headaches to play games and use daily than windows (cause it is)
At the time I wasn’t thinking of switching my pc over to Linux, so it wouldn’t have been hypocrisy on my part
I had Linux installed on a laptop before and it ran well even in the past before all the compatibility improvements
After that the reinstall was fast and moving files over was easy
The only thing that would’ve made me mad about this post is that I wouldn’t shut the fuck up because I was raving too much, but now I’ve got interest and a whole lot of annoyance over so-called anti-establishmentarianists who rather talk Linux for months on end with no actual plan of moving even though they talk as if they have one, that fucking ticks me off, and I feel as if it’s everywhere because people wanna fit in
Besides, it’s Lemmy and it’s online, it’s a person’s choice to read my rant and click on the post, thankfully it isn’t a square where I’m screaming like a mad man, haha
This reminds me when I was a teenager, it’s sort of a tradition to call anyone who got into $THING after you did a poser, while the older kids make fun of you for the same reason. This establishes the hacking order. Since I reckon I’m the elder in this situation, I’ll do this to you now: Stop being a poser, you don’t want to scare away any cool grown-ups do you?
??? Judge me all you want
whole lot of annoyance over so-called anti-establishmentarianists who rather talk Linux for months on end with no actual plan of moving even though they talk as if they have one, that fucking ticks me off, and I feel as if it’s everywhere because people wanna fit in
Yeah you’re keeping it real, fucking posers amiright? You’re sooo mad at all these phonies just trying to fit in.
I seriously hope you’re just a teenager because that means you’re going to grow out of this phase, otherwise this is just sad.
Yeah you’re right
Well windows has 100% support. So it’s reasonable that an alternative that people want to use would be as accessable.
Sorry
Windows has 100% support for Windows. I mean, yeah?
I don’t see Windows supporting Linux programs. Or Apple programs.
It’s a bad argument.
Windows subsystem for Linux exists for that very reason.
It’s a bad argument that I want my programs to run on my computer?
Fuck off lmao
The user’s library of apps are Windows apps. And Windows does support Linux programs. There are versions of Windows that don’t technically have it enabled by default, but it’s easy to install support. It has a built in command “wsl --install”, and a button in the store and start-menu. And for most users who get a pre-configured image from IT or their laptop manufacturer it’s pre-installed.
Except windows doesnt have 100% compatibility guaranteed either , there are cases where old games and programs are no longer working on newer versions of windows. These same games and programs in many cases will work on linux as there is a compatible wine prefix.
I get your point though, I’m pointing out the 100% figure is not true for either os.
This has been a common mode of discourse since the 90’s.
Who cares.
Folks that’re going to use Linux already are. Folks that are curious about it are trying it, and occasionally they post asking for help. Everybody else is using what they use and has no interest in changing.
If your computer is mainly a toy I really DGAF what you put up with to use it.
I feel the someway about people who say “I’m moving to Linux after W10 support ends”.
I think it takes one of two things for people to move.
- Linux has to have several features that are unavailable on Windows that makes it worth swapping.
- Windows has to do something so egregious that they no longer consider it viable.
In my case, I swapped back 3 years ago when ads appeared in explorer for a preview version. In combination with the work the community had done for Valve to consider the steam deck worth selling with Linux, I was confident enough that I could have a good enough experience with Linux.
The problem with that mentality is that you can easily run an OS without support for a very long time and win 10 LTSC support ends in like 2032.
anyone thinking of switching should just dual boot with separate drives and linux as default boot. I still have my windows drive but it’s been a few months since I’ve needed to boot into it at this point and honestly don’t think there’s any reason left.
IDK, that could be different. I bought some surfaces ~2 years ago that apparently aren’t capable of upgrading to 11. They’re perfectly usable, so I’ll have to put Linux on them. I think anyone that’s capable will find that they have to do that, or throw out perfectly good hardware to buy the next shiny thing.
The only problem is I did switch my laptop to Ubuntu back in the day to avoid W7. Or maybe to was 10? All I did was stream video, like Netflix, on it. Turns out, Netflix wouldn’t run because they locked it down to specific OSes. WINE could run it, with a horrible stutter. So I had to dual boot, then I switched to a VM of Windows in Linux, which ended up just being another step to get to stream a movie. Coupled with hours of driver problems to solve, it just wasn’t worth the hassle.
Now, it’s a matter of “can I stream?” Because otherwise, they’re e-waste. I really hope they can, because while I’ll have to keep my gaming PC on w11, my htpc and tablets I will gladly switch.
I can’t imagine I’m alone. If people can get their programs out of the walled garden of Microsoft, I think they will. Not so much new features, but that they can just do what they always do. We’re creatures of habit. We probably won’t see adoption in high numbers, but more than before.
Also, it’s entirely possible I’ll have to eat these words if streaming still doesn’t work right.
Netflix works flawlessly on Fedora. No streaming problem except with Nba basketball.
Honestly it’s like people saying they are going to eat better after the new year. Most don’t and the people that are most of the time just do it right then not waiting for some event to start.
I think the only thing that will really push adoption is if more systems ship with Linux preinstalled and those laptops are advertised primarily with linux. People aren’t going to go buy a usb drive, figure out how to download an image and how to download and install a flasher and how to use that flashing tool, not when google and apple actively hamstring computer literacy in schools. They probably won’t even click the “budget penguin thing” unless they already know what it is and have been sold the story of linux on that specific laptop.
100%, what would be needed for linux to become mainstream is more stuff like the steam deck, i really hope we get a return of steam machines but done properly this time
I feel like they could have at least some success marketing machines with Linux preinstalled as “ad and spyware free” and get at least some people interested
Linux actually has stuff that makes it worth switching too, but it’s ones that would require reinstalls to notice and that’s quite infrequent
On windows people dread reinstalls, on Linux it could quite literally happen every time you boot and you notice nothing changes
But these can’t easily be advertised and can’t be felt easily either
Flat out installing at all is the barrier the only thing that is going to move the needle is hardware that has Linux preinstalled and is in the news at the hot new thing to have. The steam deck is doing that and the only other way is preinstalled at the local best buy. You can make Linux the perfect OS that will do your taxes and the laundry and still they will use the worse option becase it was preinstalled. The avg person buys a computer runs it till it gets slow then just buys another one and repeats the process. The avg person just thinks they get used up and dull like razer blades.
That’s a perfectly legitimate approach. Switching your OS is always a hassle. I can understand that people like to stick with what works for them.
I think a big reason is, people always think it’s an all or nothing migration. Personally I still have a windows install on my system from when I migrated. Sure I can count on one hand the number of times ive had to actually use it, nor have I had to at all in the past few months, but it’s there in case I needed it.
I think people would be much more apt to do that, if they could realize that you can “try it” and if it doesn’t work then switch back again without much difficulty. Which most user friendly installs support dual booting, and the worse case scenario from it is that Windows decides to nuke the bootloader (which doesn’t happen as much anymore due to it changing to UEFI boot) and then at the end of the day, they still have the windows OS to fall on, and the linux OS still exists, it just doesn’t know its there which is a simple fix with just a google search and a boot repair disk (available on the same install medium that the original install was done with)
I’m finally moving myself and my parents over to Linux this weekend. I’m putting them on Mint and I think I’ll probably be using Debian 12.
For the longest time it was games that prevented me from moving, but with what MS has been doing as of late, and especially with them trying to force copilot/recall onto systems/my Win 11 install refusing to get security updates anymore, I went and checked my entire game library on steam against the proton db and found the following.
95 of my games run natively on Linux. 31 of my games are rated platinum. 73 of my games are rated gold. 12 are rated silver. 3 are rated as bronze. 3 are unplayable.
This shocked me a little when I counted it out as this is a huge improvement compared to a few years ago.
The actual difficulties I will be facing are getting all of my music/sound production stuff functioning well enough to use.
But yes, anyone who claims they won’t move to Linux due to gaming in the contemporary is either sorely out of the loop or hard stuck silver in a game like Valorant which they cannot bring themselves to drop and artificially refuses to run on anything where it can’t have kernel level anti-cheat.
It also should be noted that Steams rating of “unsupported” does not necessarily mean that game won’t play. I got Dark Souls Prepare to Die edition (with DSFix) running perfectly on my Steam Deck very easily, despite it officially being “unsupported” according to Steam.
