cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/37218429
When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take: https://archive.ph/quYyb
Cancelled my years long subscription today. Any company that bows down to tRump should be avoided. Vote with your wallet.
More bandwidth for the rest of us!
Who did you switch to? I’m looking to leave proton too with all this.
for mail, posteo. For drive, calendar, contacts, passwords, I’m working on setting up nextcloud but it’s not ready yet. I still have a few months before I’m downgraded. for VPN, I’m still looking for alternatives.
Mullvad, Tuta, Bitwarden.
Have you used these 3 before (or currently)?
I use that exact stack. Bitwarden for 3 years Mullvad and Tuta for one. Can’t speak to their ethics or anything I wouldn’t know. But the quality of service has been great for me at least
Tuta mail is garbage. Used it for over a year and the search was terrible event when using the exact text from the mail. They also deleted my account despite me actively using it.
Look for a different mail service.
I use Tuta, and while the search kinda sucks, it’s good enough, you just need to make sure you have all mail downloaded that’s being searched (last 30 days IIRC).
I picked them because they have similar privacy as Proton with lower prices and features I like (i.e. 3 domain names).
I’ve used bitwarden and mulvad for years. Recommend both without hesitation.
I’ve been using Tuta since 2016, on paid plan since 2019.
Outside a single longer outage early on I had nothing but good experience with their service. Granted, I only care about email and calendar (the only two products they have at the moment) but both work without any issues.
And honestly, I probably wouldn’t use a VPN from them unless it was included for no extra charge. I prefer to keep my services separated.
I heard they’re good and I have just recently created accounts for them.
Also curious. I left Mullvad because they stopped supporting port forwarding. Proton seemed like the best second option privacy/feature/price wise at the time. IVPN was touted highly around that time, but it appears they have also phased out port forwarding
I believe AirVPN is the last respected VPN that allows port forwarding.
I have also come across Windscribe, which seems reasonably well respected. Sadly, they make you pay extra for a static IP and port forwarding.
AirVPN has a lot of people complaining about connection speed.
Options are drying up 😢
I did the same! No more proton unlimited! It is better to use products from multiple companies instead of one.
Believing in any way that Republicans are helping out the little guy or against big business is so ridiculous I have to believe this is willful ignorance to cover up the fact that a lot more people will need VPNs with all the porn bans and other privacy nightmares the right will pass the next few years.
I really don’t understand this compulsion people have to publicly announce their political support.
Like, this guy could have just said nothing, literally just not do anything, and he’d be better off.
The most interesting part of this take is that JD Vance is very much in the big tech friends circle with Thiel and Musk. But I’m sure they can run some antitrust against their enemies at Google or whatever
Wait until Big Tech does something and then Proton will cry about it. They’ll be in for a shocking surprise that Big Tech does what Big Tech did because Trump and Republicunts allowed it to happen.
It seems obvious to me now.
Many US states are now requiring age verification for adult sites. VPN companies will benefit if that requirement expands. The Republican party’s pearl-clutching politics are what can make that happen.
Reminds me of the time the CEO of grindr said he opposed gay marriage.
There’s a lot of benefits that come with gay sex being something you get socially ostracized or legally prosecuted for.
You get to have all the gay sex you want with the reassuring knowledge that it will be kept completely secret by your partners.
An attempt at humor?
Is what i am saying untrue? If gay sex is something you’ll get in trouble for, then your secrecy is assured. It’s only when LGBTQ acceptance became a thing that all those gay republicans got exposed.
Same logic can be applied to sexual attitudes towards women in the 18th, 19th, and early 20th. If having sex out of wedlock destroys that woman’s reputation, then I can have sex with all the women I want and they have to keep it a secret or they’ll be forced into prostitution.
This is bewildering. What a shame.
I had minor gripes with some of their services but Proton has broadly been pretty great in my eyes.
Some CEOs baffle me. Surely, even if they are massive fans of one US political party over the other, they’d have the sense to keep it to themselves to prevent it becoming a thing that causes a fallout with existing/potential customers? But no. They’re too fucking narcissistic for that, and they think everyone wants to hear their opinions and follow them.
Most of the companies/ceos doing this over the past few weeks do know better. That’s why they didnt say anything earlier. The reason they would be publicly taking this stance now is that they either expect to be rewarded by the incoming administration, or they hope to avoid punitive retaliation.
Support business policies of a group that removes oversight, accountability, responsibility, and makes it so he keeps more money.
What do US domestic politics have to do with a small Swiss company? Is there an indication that Proton would be sanctioned otherwise?
https://www.openbiz.io/blog/15-things-to-know-about-u-s-taxes-for-foreign-companies
- Foreign companies are generally subject to U.S. tax on U.S. source income. This includes income from selling goods or services in the United States, from owning or leasing property in the United States, and from investing in U.S. securities.
So yeah, doing business in the US, getting paid by US people, subjects them to some US regulations. Hence, they are affected by US domestic policy and politics.
Can americans not use credit processors that reside in another country? This sounds like a non issue for proton as long as they dont market to americans.
You expect everyone to do that?
Do what? Enter their credit card info into a webform? Sure, why not?
No, go out of their way to sign up with foreign payment agencies.
Surely that would be on the service, not the customer, no? They would charge a foreign transaction fee, which is annoying, but it can also be avoided by using pretty much any travel card.
Cancelled my subscription today. I will be finding an alternative.
I had just signed up a few nights ago to try it out before subscribing, it’s an easy cancel at this point and is being done momentarily.
I had it for a few months. Luckily it was easy to swap out this early on.
Time to find a new option.
an alternative for email or vpn? I’m also in the market for a new email now :/
RiseUp.net for both. Disroot.org for email (And other services).
Do you happen to have an invite code for rise up? Seems I need one to register
Im happy with mailbox.org so far!
Email!
VPN I am sticking with Mullvad.
So we’re keeping Lina Kahn, right? RIGHT?
Nope, she’s gonna be gone soon.
im definitely gonna miss her.
Grrrreat… Can anyone please suggest an alternative? I’ve switched to Proton trying to de-Google…
I’ve been looking at fastmail and tuta
Thank you for the recs, will add them to the list! Maybe it’s time to go from one to many…
Damnit, same thing here.
For Email: Posteo, Tutanota, Disroot
For VPN: Mullvad, AirVPN, IVPN
For password manager: Keypassxc, Bitwarden
Thank you kindly!
Thx mr frog
Ribbit :)
Or support one of the last non-chromium browsers remaining by getting MozillaVPN/Relay and password manager
Can Tuta use a gateway similar to Hydroxide for Proton? I like my traditional email clients and have a machine I trust to encrypt/decrypt.
I believe they only allow you to use the official Tuta email client.
What do you suggest for cloud storage?
I suggest Storj Tardigrade. It’s client-side encrypted by default (assuming you’re not using S3 gateway).
pCloud has 500tb lifetime for $200
I don’t have a lot of experience with cloud storage, but Filen.io appears to have a good reputation. They offer a lifetime license as well in 100gb chunks (under starter packs), which is interesting, especially if your storage size needs aren’t great.
I switched to PurelyMail and haven’t had any problems. Just mail with no marketing or other bullshit
Excellent, the more options the better! Thank you!
The post was deleted and they are in cleanup mode. Best thing we can do is post this everywhere and demand a public apology and the firing of Andy Yen.
Otherwise end your subscriptions!
We can demand his firing but unfortunately he’s one of three founders, he’s unlikely to be fired. But I hope it’s a wakeup call to them that they should have a policy of keeping their mouth shut on politics, including all board members.
What is the Streisand effect?
I was looking to use ProtonVPN but since that story, i would prefer an alternative.
What do you guys use for VPN (i think i saw Mullvad in the replies ?)
I use PIA VPN.
Mullvad
I thought they were wonderful. Until they got rid of port forwarding, which is the only reason why I was paying them: as a torrenting VPN.
If you don’t need that feature, Mullvad is still great…they take privacy/security seriously! That’s why they got rid of the feature I used haha.
They’ve also been put to the test and passed IMO:
https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/21/23692580/mullvad-vpn-raid-sweden-police
People here need to read about how fascism in Germany and Italy were good for business but terrible for the workers. About how the moneyed interests played a role in the rise of fascism in both as a defense mechanism against unions and socialism.
Wow, I was considering switching to that from Mailfence but maybe not. Maybe I will look at the other options or sit still to see what happens over the next 30 days.
