Top Trump official Stephen Miller’s recent declaration that anyone who “preaches hate for America” will face deportation has ignited alarm online, with critics warning the statement disregards First Amendment protections.

Social media users and legal analysts raised immediate concerns, pointing out that expressing dissent or criticism of the government is protected under the First Amendment. Some worried the administration was veering into authoritarian territory.

The backlash has reignited broader debates over the limits of free speech, especially as civil liberties fall under scrutiny. While immigration enforcement remains a core theme of President Donald Trump’s platform, critics are increasingly questioning whether rhetoric like Miller’s is a precursor to more aggressive suppression of dissent.

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    Why have the billionaires not prevented it? Project 2025 was known. Billionaires will lose huge parts of their wealth when the USA collapses and Russia or China take over.

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      Billionaires are not our allies. And some of them are genuinely stupid enough to have thought they could contain what was going on that it was just gonna be more tax cuts for them. They, like the public, didn’t all actually believe it would be true. They are not inherently smarter or more immune to propaganda than we are.

      They just have more access to information - if they don’t surround themselves with people that are only yes men and such.

      Other billionaires are betting on the collapse, and are willing to take less monetary power, to have more literal power if they can create their own city states. Literally what they’re hoping for.

      They are short sighted, stupid, arrogant, heartless… and, many, traitors.

      Some need to be made an example of.

      But we accept those who ask for forgiveness. I’m not saying to actually forgive them. Or to re-establish normal lives with them. Other people can do that work.

      But they do have to have SOME kind of off-ramp, or you might as well be making the same arguments that MAGA are when they claim “liberalism is a mental illness and should be jailed.”

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      Billionaires will be absolutely fine if they never make another penny and even if they lose 99% of their money in some stock market complete and final death. Millionaires are worried, but they aren’t the ones with the real power.

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        It’s not the same. Why should they give up their power without a fight? They must believe that they at least maintain their power and wealth.

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          Yes. They do. And they’re right. They’ll be fine. Billionaires will be absolutely fine. The stock market crash doesn’t worry them. Not even a little bit.

          They’re still incomprehensibly richer than millionaires in the same way that someone with an office job, a flat, a TV, games console and a car who goes out to eat on the regular is incomprehensibly richer than someone who lives under a piece of sheet metal next to a rubbish tip and scavenges for food.

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            Yet when the office worker is informed that his car is going to burn down or somebody will come into his house and smash his TV, he will take action.

            Billionaires identify with their property. They won’t simply accept that it melts down.

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              But billionaires are so desperately unlike the office worker. You know, how if someone took your penny, you wouldn’t worry. And in fact they could take a penny from you every day for three years and now you’re down a whole ten dollars but it just simply isn’t an issue. You know that a thousand times as much as you’ve lost will be turning up in the next few months. That’s how billionaires relate to a million dollars. A million. It’ll show up for them in the next month or two. They’re not worried. Why would they worry about money? You don’t worry about pennies, they don’t worry about millions. Stop thinking that billionaires worry about money.

              Now if the entire global capitalist system were to completely crumble, then that’s an issue, but that’s absolutely not what’s happening. Billionaires are almost incomprehensibly wealthy and a crash of 10% just doesn’t matter. At all. There are other countries than the USA and they’ll absolutely leave if necessary. They spend plenty of time in their overseas properties anyway for tax purposes. Borders are for ordinary people.

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                When the USA crumble, billionaires don’t lose millions but billions. They not only lose the majority of their wealth but also their global influence. The billionaires of other countries will be richer and make the big deals.

                Btw, US citizens are always taxed no matter where they live.

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      cause they didnt think it would fail.

      They thought they’d buy the country for pennies on the dollar and carve it up into their own little capitalist nightmare fiefdoms.

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        This can’t be the plan. Only land with sea ports would be acceptable in that situation. Every other fiefdom would be taxed by their neighbors into poverty unless they unite again.

        For sure there are stupid billionaires but the top 100 won’t follow a plan that can be rebuked easily.

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          Vast swathes of the USA is accessible by navigable river ever since the Louisiana purchase. It’s one of the three main original reasons the USA was so powerful economically before Trump.

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            This only works if the rivers aren’t taxed. How could anybody trust that that doesn’t happen? That’s why I specified sea ports.

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              because you enter an economic cold war, very much like trump is doing right now with china, where the port people demand taxes, and the middle america people just embargo them and don’t give them any food/minerals/etc.

              and you see how much they are loving that happening right now.

              They don’t want to fuck eachother. They just want to fuck you and me.

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                That’s the beauty of a port, the port people can get everything from China or the rest of the world. Of course, likewise, the midle america people can build railroads.

                That’s a very interesting game, but I doubt that the billionaires want to play it.

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                  Stop pretending that people who hoard more money & power than entire countries and have to abuse countless workers to get there have the same level of rational thought as you and me.

                  It’s like the idea of being a king. When you can, at will, throw folks in jail… it messes you up. It changes how you view the world and your role in it.

                  Then remember that it’s not like these guys all just went “I’m a billionaire. That’s it. I won. I’m done”

                  They kept chasing money and kept growing. They kept chasing power. You realize that some of them are thinking about more than just being an influential billionaire, right?

                  Once again — some of them want their own cities. Look up “freedom cities.” Trump has stated, in a 2-3 minute camera clip, that he would like to auction off federal land to billionaires for them to run their own cities. It is unsaid but implied that they would get to make the laws there.

                  It’s literally what Peter Thiel has been trying to accomplish for the rich & wealthy for decades.

                  “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible.” -Peter Thiel

                  The only thing these right wingers mean when they say freedom is the freedom for rich people to screw the rest of us even more.

                  Power. And. Money. Corrupt. You know the saying. It’s not a meme, buddy. We have thousands of years of history to show us how often rich & powerful go looney

                  Hint: it’s most of the time

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                    “Trump has stated, in a 2-3 minute camera clip, that he would like to auction off federal land to billionaires for them to run their own cities. It is unsaid but implied that they would get to make the laws there.”

                    I saw a story like this. Can’t remember the name, but each district of those bourgeois cities had different castes of society walled off in separate sections to avoid rebellions or revolts against the bourgeois. The sections went from a dystopian hell to paradise like conditions, some sections even resembling society as we know it. I wish I could remember what it was, but you bringing this up reminded me of it. To think a dystopian fiction could possibly become reality is unsettling.

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                    It’s convenient to explain everything with stupidity and corruption. However I expect that billionaires are more rational than average people. There must be a convincing plan that keeps them in line.