Having them name it after a core business organizational unit was just a bad idea. Then naming something in the app the same thing was even worse.
Please open Teams, then search for our team’s Team, then look for this Channel. Please post your question there.
Let’s not forget the absolute shit show that was the upgrade of Teams. The original Teams was rebranded Classic Teams because they wrote a new app that they called New Teams which is of course today just called Teams again.
Considering it’s still a slow clunky resource monster this shows you how bad Teams was originally.
Microsoft said that new Teams is twice as fast and uses half as much memory as Classic Teams
Literally every week I encounter new bugs, it gets worse and worse. Many very basic features (like inline code with back ticks) just stopped working months ago and don’t work anymore. Scrolling in some channels is completely broken, jumping around wildly. Sometimes messages just don’t get sent (both on Android & Web). Sometimes calls work perfectly all day, then the next call just randomly changes audio device settings and I have to find what’s wrong again. Sometimes the video stream of a shared screen just doesn’t work, or stops working when switching to the small pop-up window while looking at chats, so the other person has to re-share. Sometimes the “available” state is just broken and keeps getting set to “away”. The search just doesn’t find many things, even when searching with fairly exact parameters.
It’s a daily source of frustration & literally gets worse by the week. I can’t remember a program that’s made me angry as much as Teams has.
Yep. “Code Snippets” recently stopped working for me (the overlay doesn’t open anymore), so I only have the two remaining ways. I can still do code blocks using three backticks, but inline code I can only do using the keyboard shortcut.
How they managed to fuck things up so badly is beyond me, and how they managed to keep them fucked up for so long is even further beyond.
Notification syncing between devices is nonexistent in Teams and there are no conversation threads.
In general teams is way more buggy with worse UX. I don’t know if it’s a thing on Teams that our workplace disabled, but there’s no decent notification management. If I take a day off, I can set my notifications in Slack as mute for that day and I can manage notifications for messages vs mentions vs mute per channel.
On Teams I can’t permanently set Enter as new line, I have to click that rich text editor icon for every single message.
On mobile Teams started doing this thing in group chats where, if I move the cursor with drag on space gesture and then move it back to the end of the message, Teams interprets this as a desire to “attach a program”, like power apps (whatever that is).
Pasting in code block also gets me every time. I’ll start a code block in Teams window, go to another window, copy the text and click back on my code block. Teams just drops the cursor to the end of message outside my code block and by the time I notice I already hit ctrl+v.
My last pet peeve is about formatted copy pasting and applies to Slack as well but Teams having more text formatting options shows more of an impact. Never, and I repeat, NEVER have I wanted to paste anything with formatting, especially if I grabbed it form a website, word, excel, pdf or a code editor. Why is it the default and nonnegotiable? I can change the default on Libre Office, why not on Teams? It’s a chat app why would I need headings like in a regular doc?
Every time it gets me, ctrl+c, ctrl+v, fuckctrl+z, ctrl+shift+v…
On a 4k monitor you can still only get about 80 characters of monospaced font per line, because of the “negative space” fetish UX designers have.
Something dead simple like posting a stack trace, and then having someone able to, you know, read it… It’s just not something teams really does well.
I can understand how the tooling probably does a ton of stuff that corporate users want (integrating with calendars, tons of access controls for spaces for important people to talk, etc) but for a dev working primarily with a handful of other devs and qas, there is a feature set mismatch. I can’t begin to tell you how badly I don’t give a shit about 99% of its features.
How long has it been since you used Teams? I’m no apologist, I have plenty of gripes with that piece of crap software, but this seems like a crazy stretch. Teams makes it almost trivial to embed code blocks with syntax highlighting for a wide array of languages, which can be easily copied out of Teams or opened in a separate viewer for easier reading.
Maybe we’re using an old version or something, but code blocks still don’t expand horizontally to fill the available space, so we just get a horizontal slider bar.
or opened in a separate viewer for easier reading.
Yes, that’s my beef. If I need to juggle content to external text editors to read them, then IMO it has failed the categorical imperative of the tool.
Teams is trash, I have to use it with certain clients, slack for everything else. Literally everything it does is like a wish.com fail version of slack. Like if you ordered slack on temu.
They are now finally putting some work in to improve it. I don’t remember much what I used to hate particularly, it was mostly UI related, bugs or the bad Mac implementation.
The new combined view with chats and teams is much better than the split sections.
It took them until just recently to have a basic code block format like everyone else, instead of this annoying editor-in-editor mess they had before (and still kept for some reason).
It used to be very buggy like you had to hunt down the source of some notification to mark it as read. It still doesn’t 100% sync with Outlook. If an event is cancelled and I click delete in Outlook, I also have to go to Teams and „read“ this update. You can set group events in Teams but they somehow don’t end up in Outlook.
What I really like are the clay-like emojis designs.
the emojis would be fine, if they used standard naming schemes like everyone else does…but for some ungodly reason they don’t adhere to standard nomenclature, so good fuckin luck finding the one you’re looking for!
also: WHY is the shortcut for emojis a fucking parenthesis??? why isn’t it a colon like in damn near every other app???
this is the worst thing about teams:
it forces you to re-learn chat app standards that have been in place for well over a decade, and it does so for abso-fucking-lutely no good reason!
You’re not responsible for anything. I’m just saying if you only require that Windows makes its apps compatible with iOS and smooth, you should require the same from Apple with regards to Windows. It’s a two-way street.
I never said it shouldn’t be the other way around too, why would I need to? Should I mention everything that is going wrong in this world when I’m talking about one thing?
I’ve never understood the hatred for Teams. I don’t particularly like Slack, and Teams doesn’t seem that much worse.
Just talking about Teams is annoying…
Having them name it after a core business organizational unit was just a bad idea. Then naming something in the app the same thing was even worse.
Please open Teams, then search for our team’s Team, then look for this Channel. Please post your question there.
Let’s not forget the absolute shit show that was the upgrade of Teams. The original Teams was rebranded Classic Teams because they wrote a new app that they called New Teams which is of course today just called Teams again.
Considering it’s still a slow clunky resource monster this shows you how bad Teams was originally.
Literally every week I encounter new bugs, it gets worse and worse. Many very basic features (like inline code with back ticks) just stopped working months ago and don’t work anymore. Scrolling in some channels is completely broken, jumping around wildly. Sometimes messages just don’t get sent (both on Android & Web). Sometimes calls work perfectly all day, then the next call just randomly changes audio device settings and I have to find what’s wrong again. Sometimes the video stream of a shared screen just doesn’t work, or stops working when switching to the small pop-up window while looking at chats, so the other person has to re-share. Sometimes the “available” state is just broken and keeps getting set to “away”. The search just doesn’t find many things, even when searching with fairly exact parameters.
It’s a daily source of frustration & literally gets worse by the week. I can’t remember a program that’s made me angry as much as Teams has.
Have you noticed that there are now three ways to enter block-formatted, monospace text?
Yep. “Code Snippets” recently stopped working for me (the overlay doesn’t open anymore), so I only have the two remaining ways. I can still do code blocks using three backticks, but inline code I can only do using the keyboard shortcut.
How they managed to fuck things up so badly is beyond me, and how they managed to keep them fucked up for so long is even further beyond.
Still works for me, are you sure?
Yes.
It works for some of my colleagues & doesn’t work for some others. You can also find bug reports in Microsofts trackers - they just don’t care.
Do you really use Teams? If you do, you should not be able to say that
I used it briefly when it first came out; otherwise no, my employers have used Slack.
Notification syncing between devices is nonexistent in Teams and there are no conversation threads.
In general teams is way more buggy with worse UX. I don’t know if it’s a thing on Teams that our workplace disabled, but there’s no decent notification management. If I take a day off, I can set my notifications in Slack as mute for that day and I can manage notifications for messages vs mentions vs mute per channel.
On Teams I can’t permanently set Enter as new line, I have to click that rich text editor icon for every single message.
On mobile Teams started doing this thing in group chats where, if I move the cursor with drag on space gesture and then move it back to the end of the message, Teams interprets this as a desire to “attach a program”, like power apps (whatever that is).
Pasting in code block also gets me every time. I’ll start a code block in Teams window, go to another window, copy the text and click back on my code block. Teams just drops the cursor to the end of message outside my code block and by the time I notice I already hit
ctrl+v.My last pet peeve is about formatted copy pasting and applies to Slack as well but Teams having more text formatting options shows more of an impact. Never, and I repeat, NEVER have I wanted to paste anything with formatting, especially if I grabbed it form a website, word, excel, pdf or a code editor. Why is it the default and nonnegotiable? I can change the default on Libre Office, why not on Teams? It’s a chat app why would I need headings like in a regular doc?
Every time it gets me,
ctrl+c,ctrl+v, fuckctrl+z,ctrl+shift+v…On a 4k monitor you can still only get about 80 characters of monospaced font per line, because of the “negative space” fetish UX designers have.
Something dead simple like posting a stack trace, and then having someone able to, you know, read it… It’s just not something teams really does well.
I can understand how the tooling probably does a ton of stuff that corporate users want (integrating with calendars, tons of access controls for spaces for important people to talk, etc) but for a dev working primarily with a handful of other devs and qas, there is a feature set mismatch. I can’t begin to tell you how badly I don’t give a shit about 99% of its features.
How long has it been since you used Teams? I’m no apologist, I have plenty of gripes with that piece of crap software, but this seems like a crazy stretch. Teams makes it almost trivial to embed code blocks with syntax highlighting for a wide array of languages, which can be easily copied out of Teams or opened in a separate viewer for easier reading.
It’s been about 36 hours?
Maybe we’re using an old version or something, but code blocks still don’t expand horizontally to fill the available space, so we just get a horizontal slider bar.
Yes, that’s my beef. If I need to juggle content to external text editors to read them, then IMO it has failed the categorical imperative of the tool.
Teams is trash, I have to use it with certain clients, slack for everything else. Literally everything it does is like a wish.com fail version of slack. Like if you ordered slack on temu.
Worse than Slack…
Now that is saying something
I prefer the way Slack groups threaded conversations within a channel. Teams channels are clunky enough that we just end up using group chats instead.
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They are now finally putting some work in to improve it. I don’t remember much what I used to hate particularly, it was mostly UI related, bugs or the bad Mac implementation.
The new combined view with chats and teams is much better than the split sections.
It took them until just recently to have a basic code block format like everyone else, instead of this annoying editor-in-editor mess they had before (and still kept for some reason).
It used to be very buggy like you had to hunt down the source of some notification to mark it as read. It still doesn’t 100% sync with Outlook. If an event is cancelled and I click delete in Outlook, I also have to go to Teams and „read“ this update. You can set group events in Teams but they somehow don’t end up in Outlook.
What I really like are the clay-like emojis designs.
the emojis would be fine, if they used standard naming schemes like everyone else does…but for some ungodly reason they don’t adhere to standard nomenclature, so good fuckin luck finding the one you’re looking for!
also: WHY is the shortcut for emojis a fucking parenthesis??? why isn’t it a colon like in damn near every other app???
this is the worst thing about teams:
it forces you to re-learn chat app standards that have been in place for well over a decade, and it does so for abso-fucking-lutely no good reason!
Vendor lock-in. The next generation will demand teams because they cannot get used to other shortcuts.
i mean…that certainly is an explanation, but it’s a shit strategy:
there are a lot of objectively false names for emojis, you can’t expect people to get used to that…
“eyeroll” for example is called “bored”…which makes absolutely no sense. (at least in german, maybe it’s less bad in english)
I don’t see that ever leading to vendor lock-in, just perpetual frustration…
Saying the Mac implementation is bad when 99% of the apps ported from iOS to Windows are an unoptimized clunky mess is hypocritical as fuck.
How am I responsible for iOS to Windows ports?
You’re not responsible for anything. I’m just saying if you only require that Windows makes its apps compatible with iOS and smooth, you should require the same from Apple with regards to Windows. It’s a two-way street.
I never said it shouldn’t be the other way around too, why would I need to? Should I mention everything that is going wrong in this world when I’m talking about one thing?
Bugs around read-notifications are pretty bad. Slack still has those, but they’re infrequent and transient, and often solvable with a hard-refresh.
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