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More than a million each dead of Armenians and Greeks, successfull ethnic cleansing of Asia Minor of said minorities.
I understand that you are not from a region occupied by the Ottoman empire and you have a simplistic mindview of Muslim’s always good, Christians always bad. However saying the Ottoman empire should not have fallen is deeply offensive, certainly in the Balkans and I would wager in the Levante as well. The Arabs did rebel against them after all. With British support, just like every rebellion tries to get outside support.
Compare what? Casualties of the genocides committed by Turkey vs the Israeli one? I won’t do that and it’s not because the numbers won’t favor me, it’s dehumanizing.
For my people it’s much better now, even if compared to calmer periods of Ottoman history. The same applies to a lot of peoples that were part off the Ottoman empire. Palestinians are unlucky to be subjects of another genocidal regime.
Have you ever discussed with a national of a country that was part of the Ottoman empire (Turkey excluded for obvious reason) that wanted the Ottoman empire back? How exactly did you come to the conclusion that what the Middle East needs is the Ottomans back? Did you read any of the history of the peoples oppressed by it?
You started this discussion by implying that Palestine became better off when the ottomans left, that is not true.
You implied it was good that Britain took the land from the ottomans, I’m simply asking you to justify that position considering what has happened since then, which you cannot do
No, you answered this.(Emphasis mine). The guy might be scum but broken clock and all that.
Sure… we’d all be better off if only the Ottoman empire continued to exist forever!
With “Unironically yes”. This is what I am answering. The Ottoman empire continuing to exist and it’s effect on all of us, not just the Palestinians.
Of course there wouldn’t be an effect on you would there be? You have demonstrated you don’t actually care for any other peoples in the Ottoman empire’s grip but the Palestinians. Obviously you don’t actually care about them outside you political arguments.
I am not implying anything, I am straight out saying it, for most non-Turks life is better than it would have been under the Ottoman empire.
The genocides started before the end if the empire and they also did not come out of nowhere. Trying to counter my older post via an edit with such inaccuracies is pathetic.
The genocides happening at the tail end of the empire does not really help your case that we would be better off if it wasn’t killed off. It’s far more compelling evidence of what the empire would do than if the genocides happened centuries before.
Tldr: Less people have suffered than they would have if the Ottoman empire survived. The Palestinians are an exception.
Unironically yes, what are you talking about? The region was way more peaceful before the Ottoman empire fell than it has been since.
Ottomans also kept huge populations of Jewish people safe from Christian pogroms
So Armenian and Greek genocides did not happen? Do you think life was great for non Turks/Muslims before that? There were no massacres of Christians?
Armenian genocide happened after the fall of the empire.
I said it was relatively more peaceful then than it is now. Not that nothing bad happened back then but COMPARED TO NOW? SERIOUSLY?
??? More than a million each dead of Armenians and Greeks, successfull ethnic cleansing of Asia Minor of said minorities.
I understand that you are not from a region occupied by the Ottoman empire and you have a simplistic mindview of Muslim’s always good, Christians always bad. However saying the Ottoman empire should not have fallen is deeply offensive, certainly in the Balkans and I would wager in the Levante as well. The Arabs did rebel against them after all. With British support, just like every rebellion tries to get outside support.
I understand your point, but compare that period to NOW. Which one is worse? Which is better?
Compare what? Casualties of the genocides committed by Turkey vs the Israeli one? I won’t do that and it’s not because the numbers won’t favor me, it’s dehumanizing.
For my people it’s much better now, even if compared to calmer periods of Ottoman history. The same applies to a lot of peoples that were part off the Ottoman empire. Palestinians are unlucky to be subjects of another genocidal regime.
Have you ever discussed with a national of a country that was part of the Ottoman empire (Turkey excluded for obvious reason) that wanted the Ottoman empire back? How exactly did you come to the conclusion that what the Middle East needs is the Ottomans back? Did you read any of the history of the peoples oppressed by it?
You started this discussion by implying that Palestine became better off when the ottomans left, that is not true.
You implied it was good that Britain took the land from the ottomans, I’m simply asking you to justify that position considering what has happened since then, which you cannot do
No, you answered this.(Emphasis mine). The guy might be scum but broken clock and all that.
With “Unironically yes”. This is what I am answering. The Ottoman empire continuing to exist and it’s effect on all of us, not just the Palestinians.
Of course there wouldn’t be an effect on you would there be? You have demonstrated you don’t actually care for any other peoples in the Ottoman empire’s grip but the Palestinians. Obviously you don’t actually care about them outside you political arguments.
I am not implying anything, I am straight out saying it, for most non-Turks life is better than it would have been under the Ottoman empire.
The genocides started before the end if the empire and they also did not come out of nowhere. Trying to counter my older post via an edit with such inaccuracies is pathetic.
The genocides happening at the tail end of the empire does not really help your case that we would be better off if it wasn’t killed off. It’s far more compelling evidence of what the empire would do than if the genocides happened centuries before.
Tldr: Less people have suffered than they would have if the Ottoman empire survived. The Palestinians are an exception.
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