Proton, the Geneva-based encrypted email provider founded 11 years ago by three scientist who met at CERN, will freeze its investments in Switzerland, its chief executive Andy Yen told Le Temps on Wed
Wrong bogeyman here, the more worrying problem is the CEO endorsing the US republicans, seemingly (and charitably) due to the ostensibly pro-privacy policy position, ignoring all the other policy advocation attached to endorsing them or their track record of doublespeak particularly around things like privacy.
Proton is owned by an actual non-profit (not one of those fake once you have in the US) and Andy is only 1/3rd of it so he cannot really do much alone, plus he still needs to follow the objective for the non-profit otherwise he can be held personally responsible.
Personally, I live in a country where you can vote for hundreds of politicians, and we have multiple parties ruling the country and I don’t believe that agreeing with one statement is enduring anybody.
Still, Andy Yen is an idiot and Proton needs some extra governance structure to keep him in check (firing him is going to be a hard one since he still owns shares IIRC). Believe what you want and choose to use Proton or not, but it doesn’t help the cause for the people to be more critical without giving context.
That was a verrry disappointing and tone deaf comment from him, yeah. He could have said that neither party is committed to Proton’s values and been done with it, instead he kissed the ring.
But I don’t believe that their entire account was shared with the police, but if that actually did happen and you have a proper source for it I gotta think to move my mail after all, so could you please share with the class where you read this?
Tbh, it’s not the worst thing when a service does that. There are cases where it is indicated - cartels, CSAM, etc. do not deserve a safe haven.
The bad part about the France issue is the fact that the Swiss court system willfully allowed a case that was not per se illegal in Switzerland and had rather controversial legal grounds in France to proceed. This is very similar to the cases where Switzerland simply ignored their own laws under pressure from the US government in terms of bank accounts 15 years earlier.
This is rather concerning and many Swiss legal experts did not share the opinion of Proton that there was nothing Proton could have done.
Maybe Proton could have done more, but maybe not on the other hand the ISP is also wrong for supplying the name that goes with the IP. (yes I know that’s deflection, but still).
I personally feel like we need to find a middle ground between personal privacy and being able to stop criminals/terrorists/fraud etc.
It is about the law, though. Proton has always been clear about the possibility that they are required to hand over data if the Swiss government requires it: https://proton.me/legal/transparency
So IDK where you are getting that they are saying one thing and doing another thing and even more important where you got that they shared ENCRYPTED data. Cause if they have the ability to even do that I have to rethink my choose since that should be impossible if Proton did it correctly and are trustworthy.
Proton did not only hand over data to the Swiss courts, but the French courts via that. They didn’t just comply with national laws, but those of other countries.
That contradicts their virtue signalled interest in privacy, when they’re willing to surrender any data without even putting up a fight. They did not even try to argue in courts against handing over private data.
And considering this lead to the arrest of the activist, it either obviously wasn’t encrypted or Proton had the means to decrypt it on their end.
You can’t just link Proton’s own PR speak as a source to counter that. Of course they would defend themselves.
Yes they did because most countries have some form of agreement that they share data when legally requested. It is pretty hard to bypass that, but it is duable (Mullaval VPN f.e.)
They didn’t just surrender the data, they started collecting it at first
And let me remind you that there is a non-profit above it and they need to handle for the purpose that was created which is still Protons core businesses. They make more money just doing whats right than not because otherwise people would go back to something free or go to Tuta/Mulivad
Yeah Russia’s the only one who gets Proton data
such a large statement with such little evidence
Sounds like something a RUSSIAN would say /s
Wrong bogeyman here, the more worrying problem is the CEO endorsing the US republicans, seemingly (and charitably) due to the ostensibly pro-privacy policy position, ignoring all the other policy advocation attached to endorsing them or their track record of doublespeak particularly around things like privacy.
Proton is owned by an actual non-profit (not one of those fake once you have in the US) and Andy is only 1/3rd of it so he cannot really do much alone, plus he still needs to follow the objective for the non-profit otherwise he can be held personally responsible.
Personally, I live in a country where you can vote for hundreds of politicians, and we have multiple parties ruling the country and I don’t believe that agreeing with one statement is enduring anybody.
Still, Andy Yen is an idiot and Proton needs some extra governance structure to keep him in check (firing him is going to be a hard one since he still owns shares IIRC). Believe what you want and choose to use Proton or not, but it doesn’t help the cause for the people to be more critical without giving context.
This was said by Andy directly: https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:640/format:webp/1*9_3JV1BBIZjAYkoTDQzOlg.png This was said by Andy through Proton: https://archive.ph/quYyb And this was his later comment from his own account: https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:720/format:webp/1*Pz-ct2LGRpxWdKsHSZu1Rg.png
That was a verrry disappointing and tone deaf comment from him, yeah. He could have said that neither party is committed to Proton’s values and been done with it, instead he kissed the ring.
That’s what I said - Russia, GOP… no difference
Yeah I’m not buying any excuses. One supports trump, one gets the fuck out.
No so does France. Proton helped convict a French environmental activist by providing the courts full access to their private proton account.
Proton nor Tuta nor anybody else is above the law, you can read independant reports on the matter https://scroll.in/article/1084862/why-a-court-ban-on-encrypted-email-service-proton-mail-has-sparked-digital-privacy-fears or Proton’s own post about it https://proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest
But I don’t believe that their entire account was shared with the police, but if that actually did happen and you have a proper source for it I gotta think to move my mail after all, so could you please share with the class where you read this?
Tbh, it’s not the worst thing when a service does that. There are cases where it is indicated - cartels, CSAM, etc. do not deserve a safe haven. The bad part about the France issue is the fact that the Swiss court system willfully allowed a case that was not per se illegal in Switzerland and had rather controversial legal grounds in France to proceed. This is very similar to the cases where Switzerland simply ignored their own laws under pressure from the US government in terms of bank accounts 15 years earlier.
This is rather concerning and many Swiss legal experts did not share the opinion of Proton that there was nothing Proton could have done.
Maybe Proton could have done more, but maybe not on the other hand the ISP is also wrong for supplying the name that goes with the IP. (yes I know that’s deflection, but still).
I personally feel like we need to find a middle ground between personal privacy and being able to stop criminals/terrorists/fraud etc.
It’s not about the law, but what’s right to me.
Proton according to this post is virtue signalling. Claiming one thing, then doing the other.
It is about the law, though. Proton has always been clear about the possibility that they are required to hand over data if the Swiss government requires it: https://proton.me/legal/transparency
So IDK where you are getting that they are saying one thing and doing another thing and even more important where you got that they shared ENCRYPTED data. Cause if they have the ability to even do that I have to rethink my choose since that should be impossible if Proton did it correctly and are trustworthy.
Proton did not only hand over data to the Swiss courts, but the French courts via that. They didn’t just comply with national laws, but those of other countries.
That contradicts their virtue signalled interest in privacy, when they’re willing to surrender any data without even putting up a fight. They did not even try to argue in courts against handing over private data. And considering this lead to the arrest of the activist, it either obviously wasn’t encrypted or Proton had the means to decrypt it on their end.
You can’t just link Proton’s own PR speak as a source to counter that. Of course they would defend themselves.
Yes they did because most countries have some form of agreement that they share data when legally requested. It is pretty hard to bypass that, but it is duable (Mullaval VPN f.e.)
They didn’t just surrender the data, they started collecting it at first
The first link Ecosia showed https://archive.is/2022.04.11-095001/https://www.wired.com/story/protonmail-amends-policy-after-giving-up-activists-data/
And let me remind you that there is a non-profit above it and they need to handle for the purpose that was created which is still Protons core businesses. They make more money just doing whats right than not because otherwise people would go back to something free or go to Tuta/Mulivad
Gonna need something a little more solid than your feelsies.
Would you mind elaborating?