Not surprising, the card was filled with… UNCOMPRESSIBLE DATA!
🫵🫅
They should have built the hull out of SanDisk cards.
I’d go for a mix of 50% sd cards and 50% controllers. Maybe 40/60, science is not decided yet.
Or old school Nokias…
I still have one of those. I use it to split bricks when I’m putting up a wall.
What do you mean “tragic”?
Well, that kid didn’t ask to be there, so that’s pretty tragic.
A tragedy is an event of great loss, usually of human life. Such an event is said to be tragic. Traditionally, the event would require “some element of moral failure, some flaw in character, or some extraordinary combination of elements” to be tragic.
To me this is tragic even in the Greek sense
Define “tragic”
I’d say “expected” might be a more fitting word.
Spoiler: Nothing about the big boom or that trip was on it (as designed, lol), but it’s cool that it survived.
Tragic?
Try “predictable”
Please watch the Netflix documentary if you havent.
The sub was never meant for that depth and they knew it.
They could literally hear the carbon fibers snapping every dive.
They had to retire an entire chassis because it failed at similar depths.
Nahh, the tragedy is rich people think they are better than physics itself.
The tragedy is that more of these rich people don’t test that belief against reality.
At least two billionaires keep firing rockets into space as a hobby. It’s only a matter of time.
This was a reverse tragedy.
There was a tragedy. One billionaire forcing their child to die
I think it’s more like what are the chances it fails while we’re in it? Fuck it.
Considering that is basically the only time it could fail, I would say the chances were pretty high.
Trying to do extreme engineering on the cheap.
it was DIY from start o finish on the craft. as opposed to spending 5-10mil on a spherical TITATANIUM sub. instead he used carbon fiber which was defective airplane parts.
So his goal was to make a deep sea taxi of sorts. Rich guy affordable and capable of carrying more than 1 or 2 people at a time. Based on what I’ve read and seen he had two main reasons for the design:
- Titanium/steel would’ve been too heavy and required a different design.
- A sphere has too little volume to carry the number of passengers he wanted so he used a cylinder.
His use of CF was not only mostly untested but where it had been tried it was found lacking. It is strong in one direction but not others. The manufacturing process was very difficult and fraught with issues. Making such a large component that thick meant many many wrappings that had to be precisely done. For instance, they would get bulges that had to be reduced immediately or they’d amplify with more wrappings. So they would grind down those spots and wrap over them. The problem here is now you’ve broken the fibers and created end points and fracture initiation points. Things like the junction between the metal end caps and the CF tube were also an issue.
He was very cocky about how often you could reuse the vessel and tried to be cheap on testing which would involve sacrificing vessels. At 5,600 PSI small things that you could ignore in, say, an airplane structure, become wildly amplified.
Personally I didn’t see the point of the whole trip except for bragging rights. You’d be watching most things on a monitor anyway and your porthole was this little, very thick, acrylic hole. You might as well send a robot down and watch on a screen on the ship.
How many atmospheres can this ship withstand?
Well it’s a
spaceshipairplane, so I’d say anywhere between zero and one."
The main issue with the Titan wasn’t as much the depth as it was cyclic loading
No, it was entirely the depth. They tested it in the lab and saw many failures but never changed the design.
Damn, that’s promotional material that SanDisk would probably not want to have.
Why? It wasn’t there submersible, their product wasn’t responsible for its destruction and frankly there is very little in the way of public sympathy.
The product is not even rated as waterproof and yet it’s survived months at the bottom of the ocean after having survived a destructive implosion.
That’s hella marketing.
The marketing is more for the submersible camera that survived, just like it was designed to do, the SD card was just inside the camera and no water even touched it. I don’t think the SD card should be getting any credit.
Yeah I know but marketing is marketing. It doesn’t really have to make any sense.
If the Xbox controller had survived I’m sure Microsoft would have made big of that even though it’s basically irrelevant to the product.
They didn’t even use an Xbox controller, they cheaped out and used an ancient Logitech clone
Nah, more like great promo material for the camera that survived the whole mess mostly intact.
Too bad they dropped the ball by not having the decryption keys for the actual video on the card.
Edit: Apparently they’ve recover the files.
New form of key compression unlocked!
Why not? If anything, it shows how durable their product is. If it were my company, I would market the shit out of this.
sd is so sturdy it can withstand pressures of depts at 12000ft.
That even a depth rated camera is broken can easily explained with the point that the implosion produced shock waves with pressure spikes easily exceeding the official ratings of the camera.
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I would feel bad if we had to kill a very young adult and respectable frenchman for every three asshole-rich fat cats. Maybe I’m wrong about the frenchman, but I don’t recall him being rich, just the ‘expert’ on the dive. I think tragic still applies for them.
Well, he was probably “rich” in that he has acquired his own wealth, but I don’t think that’s what you mean.
Gotta love that SD technology. Now if only we could build a sub with it.
Just make the next sub out of SD cards, Nokia 3310 phones, piloted with a Logitech controller.
Fuck it. Mad Katz w/ turbo
shouldve made the sub out of layers of sd cards.
It originally was an SSD drive
These compression methods are getting out of hand
Especially considering this was losless - strictly speaking only the compression of the SSD was… 😈
Certainly interesting to have an algorithm that is extremely lossy (near totally) for the majority of inputs but lossless for some weird edge cases.
The “D” in “SSD” is drive.
ATM machine. When people ask what that is being a smart ass, I say it’s their mom.
lol out loud
BRB, typing my PIN number into the ATM machine to get some cash for SCUBA apparatus.
I would never have gone in a submarine called the Tragic anything.
I want to call mine “the five” but in spanish
Be funnier for a surface boat
let’s be honest the biggest boat i’ll ever have is a 7 foot tin dinghy
But you’ll have a submarine?
my family uses “[being] on the submarine” as a euphemism for answering the phone on the toilet so i’m getting a little giggle out of this question
In this context Tragic was a title earned for their efforts. It’s like King Charles knighted the Titan, but since it was neither a Sir or Dame, it joined Titanic with the pronoun Tragic
I always thought allowing someone called Ethelred the Unready to rule England was a clear unforced error.
“Comedic” is a better title for this than “Tragic”.
stockton is also the city in california its named after his family i believe. like the city, its a "shthole.
“Somewhat disappointingly, the images and videos shared in the report were taken in the vicinity of the ROV shop at the Marine Institute”
There, saved you a long read
“and you can buy that exact SD card model for the low, low price of $62.99 on Amazon RIGHT. NOW!!!”
That might not be the weirdest, most awkward product placement I ever saw, but close.
EDIT : for those not seeing it, yeah, the article actually mentions that price and has a direct link to Amazon.
“I don’t travel on potentially doomed subs without these 10 things from amazon, you won’t believe how cheap number 1 is!!”
Ads are getting insane. Youtuber making skits in the middle of their video to promote some garbageis dystopian as fuck to me. Mentioning product and where to buy it to what price, what is this shit, war of the worlds?
It’s all about conditioning people to accept having shit shoved in their face.
tbf, finding your product still working after the implosion is already amazing publicity
The SD card was from inside a titanium cased underwater camera that was mounted outside the hull. It wasn’t actually in the implosion, it just survived the shockwave (which was probably 1000s of Gs, so still impressive)
funny how you downplay it all the way till the end, and anything surviving 1000s of Gs is incredibly impressive.
Well, it’s an order of magnitude less force than the “server room” experienced, considering the whole rack of computers was compressed into a solid mass.
SanDisk SD cards are actually rated for up to 500Gs, and with how light the SD card is, it can survive these indirect impacts more easily. “1000s of Gs” is just a completely random estimate considering how some of the other heavier internal camera parts were damaged (a circuit board connector sheared off).
Meh, I could probably do it.
Survive 1000s of Gs?
Good luck.
50 50
I will never buy another Sandisk product. They are as unreliable as cheap microcenter flash drives now. I’ve been burned too many times, and couple of those time were literal burns too!
Spared no expense…
Kinda seems like it was the right call if it survived an implosion
Yeah, but 512 GB? That’s gotta be overwriting some data. The amount of data generated by sensors is massive.
What sensors do you think this was recording data from?
Depth, pressure, location, etc.
And what do you think that polling rate was to fill up a 512 GB SD card? It’s all speculation but this isn’t a super collider, we shouldn’t need sub second polling of a vehicle that can only move 5.6 km/h.
And even if you sampled at 10 sps, and did 50 sensors at 10b, you would still only be looking 5000bps or 5.8x10-7 GBps, meaning that it would take roughly 26 years to fill up a 512GB SD card.
While I don’t know for how long the sub had been submerged, I doubt it was close to a quarter of a century. If that was the case, I believe that we would have been talking about that as well. Even if it was 500 sensors, at 100sps at 12b we’d be looking at 79days.
IMHO there’s only a few things a 512GB SD card would be used for. And I hope it was music, because I don’t think we should watch the final moments of these people’s lives.
It was in a camera.
Dude the article is right there
But I don’t wanna.
It’s not going to have location data. GPS doesn’t work under even very shallow water.
Nobody said GPS (except for you). Location data does not mean GPS.
Ok, so tell me how you are going to get a location fix underwater, in the dark, with no landmarks to orient yourself, in constantly shifting currents?
Even the Navy’s most advanced nuclear submarines have to surface to get their location. This thing was a carbon fiber tube with an Xbox controller and an idiot designer.
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Tragic? What was tragic about it? It were just some insanely rich doing something insanely stupid: dive in an untested home made tube built from rejected discarded build materials to dive to insane depths to disrupt a protected monument of something which killed thousands.
The kid that was killed didn’t want to be there. He was terrified. He only went because rich daddy insisted & paid for him to come along. That’s tragic.
He did according to his mom’s statement to BBC and he was 19.
Still a super rich kid who got everything he ever wanted, except for this instance.
TIL it’s okay for kids to die if they’re privileged.
I never said that. I’m just annoyed that when a rich person dies, it’s world news and “a tragedy” while when a poor kid or a non-white kid dies no one gives a shit. A school shooting and too man doors are being blamed and it is written off as “collateral damage” to preserve the second amendment but when a rich guy is killed the murderer is being labeled a terrorist and the death penalty is being sought. Steal 3 times something small from the store and get 25 years but scam thousands of people including the government for millions/billions and get 2 months if any at all. Why would I care about a rich kid when the rich only care about themselves. Sure, it’s sad for the kid he got pushed into something completely stupid and dangerous and had to pay for it with his life. At the same time we as the west are still supporting genocide and other horrible war crimes, costing the lives of thousands of children while people protesting this are treated as terrorists and criminals. It’s just a matter of perspective. Most rich kids end up not paying taxes like their parents and getting richer at the cost of others. So when a rich kid dies, I’m not going to care more than when anyone else dies. Especially when it happens by something so dumb as the Titan “tragedy”.
Those rich people are demanding Trump to take away the health care from millions, so they can get a tax cut they don’t need, and won’t even notice. That kid would have been doing the same thing in 20 years, so I don’t feel bad for him or any of the rest of them. They paid a lot of money for an adventure that would give them bragging rights, and got a bigger adventure than they bargained for.
its ok when rich kids die because there is a genocide going on
Go shock your dog hasan
I think we are just about there, so yes?
Be better
I hate rich people too, but this is a reddit-tier comment.
There was also a famous ocean explorer on board they were using as a prop for their company. He’d done great work exploring shipwrecks previously and not a billionaire
And despite his knowledge and experience, chose to join the haphazard mission in pursuit of something he apparently valued more than the risks. So it sounds like he made a very clear choice and was dealt the expected hand from said choice.
People outside the company knew it was haphazard?
I think maybe the point about the Kid is being missed.
Yeah super rich. Yeah didn’t want to be there.
But to change things you need people with resources on your side. The young are significantly easier to do this with.
If we demonstrate that we have empathy for all of the vulnerable (as we should) those young ones can see the power of empathy.
Yeah, hating on the kid simply because his dad has money forces him into an us-vs-them situation. It does nothing to help.
Not to mention, it is exceedingly gross to cheer the death of someone just because their dad has money.
Yeah, no. Kids want to be cool and respected, making it clear billionaires are hated will do so much more to wake them up
And once a billionaire gives it all away to become just a normal person (with a few million in the bank as a safety net), we make them a hero
“Then I stepped back and gave them space to set [Suleman] up, because he really wanted to go,” she said."
This is from the mom in a BBC article. And he was 19 not a kid.
In older articles they stated he did not want to go and they never gave his age. Were they early attempts at propagandizing sympathy for the rich?
Nah the young people are laughing about this as much as anyone else.
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