Southeastern Europe was under occupation by the Ottoman Empire for 500 years, then by the Russians for over half a century. Toxic aspects of these cultures (which are infamously misogynistic and racist) thereby spread across the continent.
So according to that graph you linked, Harris would have won everywhere except the bottom 8 countries, one of which is Russia and some have elected Russia friendly governments. Also out of those 7 countries, Slovenia, Slovakia and Hungary were not under Russian or Turkish influence. They were under Austrian Habsburg influence. Which only leaves Serbia, Bulgaria, Georgia and Moldova(the last two which have active Russian troops occupying their territory).
You also assume that their dislike of Harris is due to misogyny when it could be due to her policies. Even so, she would have won the election with over 50% of votes in literally 75% of European countries, some of which were under Turkish or Russian occupation or influence(Romania, Kosovo, Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Greece and Croatia). Shit, some of these countries don’t even vote their own head of goverment with over 50% and have to hold runoff elections most of the time. Harris getting over 50% of votes means she did better than their own homegrown politicians (though I assume the result are this way because of the binary choice presented, as most European elections have a plurality of candidates and the vote is split amongst them).
Also out of those 7 countries, Slovenia, Slovakia and Hungary were not under Russian or Turkish influence.
Where did you get that from?
As a Hungarian, I can easily tell you that that’s not the case. Hungary was under Turkish rule for more than 100 years between 1526-1699. It has left deep marks on both our language and culture (sometimes good ones, like having a lot of Turkish bathhouses, but mostly just set us back quite some years).
As for Russia, Hungary was a Soviet puppet state between 1944-1989. We have a national holiday on October 23 that is a remembrance day for a failed revolution against the Soviet Union, that was shot down in a bloodbath. The current ruling party started as one of the anti-Russian parties, Orbán (our current president) literally held a speech where he was chanting “Ruszkik haza!” (“Russians go home!”)… It’s unfortunate that he has completely flipped since then and is now welcoming Russian influence back.
I can only assume something similar for our neighbours, but I’m happy to look it up for you.
EDIT:
Also, before anyone says it, I’m not contesting that the countries in the list were under Austrian (or Austro-Hungarian) rule too. The lines are messy with whose side of the story you’re reading, but as for Hungary the easy way to summarise it from the Turkish invasion is:
Turkish rule
Gets liberated by the Habsburgs, leading to
Austrian rule
Revolution, leading to getting some representation (sadly, just Hungary, not the other countries in the empire), leading to
Austria-Hungary, leading to
WW1
Loads of failed governments, the great depression hits hard, leading to
WW2, leading to
Soviet occupation, leading to
Failed revolutions
Soviet Union falls, leading to
Independent Hungarian republic, heavy anti-Russian sentiment, leading to
Hungary tries to warm up to western powers, leading to
Hungary joins the EU
And now, with corruption and foreign influence going strong worldwide, Russian influence is rising again
The guy I was answering to claimed that the countries were under Turkish or Russian control for more than half a century. Which is not true. Hungary was under Turkish control for around 100 years but you’re not going to tell me that Turkish influence from the 17th century has such a major effect on today’s Hungary.
And while Hungary was under Soviet control it was not really a peaceful and compliant control as they had multiple resistances and popular uprising against them, starting with the 1956 revolution which the Soviets had to put down by killing thousands of Hungarians.
As someone raised in that region, I would have to think long and hard to come up with anything positive to say about Russian or Turkish influence
Yeah, so you’re just openly racist, gotcha!
If by “Russian occupation” you mean “belonging to the communist geopolitical block of Eastern Europe”, then I ask, what good things can you come up with about your newfound American occupation?
Looks into Poland:
deeply racist and patriarchal country, with its roots deeply tied to Catholicism
Average lemmitor: “IT’S ALL THE FUCKING RUZZIANS AND TURKS!!!”
Southeastern Europe was under occupation by the Ottoman Empire for 500 years, then by the Russians for over half a century. Toxic aspects of these cultures (which are infamously misogynistic and racist) thereby spread across the continent.
So according to that graph you linked, Harris would have won everywhere except the bottom 8 countries, one of which is Russia and some have elected Russia friendly governments. Also out of those 7 countries, Slovenia, Slovakia and Hungary were not under Russian or Turkish influence. They were under Austrian Habsburg influence. Which only leaves Serbia, Bulgaria, Georgia and Moldova(the last two which have active Russian troops occupying their territory).
You also assume that their dislike of Harris is due to misogyny when it could be due to her policies. Even so, she would have won the election with over 50% of votes in literally 75% of European countries, some of which were under Turkish or Russian occupation or influence(Romania, Kosovo, Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Greece and Croatia). Shit, some of these countries don’t even vote their own head of goverment with over 50% and have to hold runoff elections most of the time. Harris getting over 50% of votes means she did better than their own homegrown politicians (though I assume the result are this way because of the binary choice presented, as most European elections have a plurality of candidates and the vote is split amongst them).
Proximity to Russia is strongly correlated with fascist politics. Hence Trump’s appeal. Open an atlas.
Where did you get that from?
As a Hungarian, I can easily tell you that that’s not the case. Hungary was under Turkish rule for more than 100 years between 1526-1699. It has left deep marks on both our language and culture (sometimes good ones, like having a lot of Turkish bathhouses, but mostly just set us back quite some years).
As for Russia, Hungary was a Soviet puppet state between 1944-1989. We have a national holiday on October 23 that is a remembrance day for a failed revolution against the Soviet Union, that was shot down in a bloodbath. The current ruling party started as one of the anti-Russian parties, Orbán (our current president) literally held a speech where he was chanting “Ruszkik haza!” (“Russians go home!”)… It’s unfortunate that he has completely flipped since then and is now welcoming Russian influence back.
I can only assume something similar for our neighbours, but I’m happy to look it up for you.
EDIT: Also, before anyone says it, I’m not contesting that the countries in the list were under Austrian (or Austro-Hungarian) rule too. The lines are messy with whose side of the story you’re reading, but as for Hungary the easy way to summarise it from the Turkish invasion is:
The guy I was answering to claimed that the countries were under Turkish or Russian control for more than half a century. Which is not true. Hungary was under Turkish control for around 100 years but you’re not going to tell me that Turkish influence from the 17th century has such a major effect on today’s Hungary.
And while Hungary was under Soviet control it was not really a peaceful and compliant control as they had multiple resistances and popular uprising against them, starting with the 1956 revolution which the Soviets had to put down by killing thousands of Hungarians.
Yeah, so you’re just openly racist, gotcha!
If by “Russian occupation” you mean “belonging to the communist geopolitical block of Eastern Europe”, then I ask, what good things can you come up with about your newfound American occupation?
They’re the same race as me, moron. Their cultures are fascistic and oppressive and I’d rather die than go back.