Couple who married in Germany had their right to a ‘normal family life’ impeded, court of justice finds
how far we´ve come. 40 years ago poland was the most progressive country in europe regarding homosexuality because unlike everyone else they never criminalized it. homosexual people were not harassed by the state and gay bars were a thing even in 70´s socialist poland.
it really depends on the generation. i have yet to meet a homophobic pole that was born in the post-war period, they generally have a quite egalitarian stance on it with (expected) slight prejudice but no outright hate.
late baby boomers and gen x-ers though… OH BOY. most of these fucks need reeducation by a proper beating or something. i have yet to meet a gen x-er pole that´s not a complete piece of shit regarding their views on homosexuality and women.
The far right movement spearheaded by Victor Orban has spread. The world of far right go to Hungary for their meetings.
orban may be a factor in this, but the rampant homophobia in poland has been around since before the ussr fell
Honestly I don’t know why the state is still in the business of giving out marriages. Who gives a shit what other people want to call marriage. The state should not even have the authority to perform marriages at all. It should be left as a cultural or religious institution. It has no right to legislate what is and is not marriage. The only thing that should be available is civil unions, being defined as a financial and legal union of two or more consenting adults.
That way, anyone can “get married” at their local church, at a secular ceremony, or piss-drunk in a pub by a barmaid. It would be legally vacuous and has only the meaning that the parties ascribe to it, or that is given to it by the religious authority they choose to follow. But if they want to be legally joined together then they would go register a civil union at the local registrar’s office.
If you’re a bigot and don’t consider two men in civil union to be married, cool, whatever, the law should not care about your opinion. You can privately think “those two are not married” all day, and be right in your mind. The only people whose opinions matter are those who want to call themselves married. There is no institution of “marriage” to defend, because you’ve already won. You can consider marriage to be anything you want and be right. Now you can leave other people alone.
The state cares insofar as your partner gets certain rights and will be included as family in many things.
For instance, deciding for you in medical cases, being informed if something happens, getting money from your life insurance whatever.
No marriage would mean the two are not connected at all in the states eye and thus not family.
You could say, ok lets just enable putting that into some record without marriage, but the state wants to safeguard itself as you can get things like citizenship and such
I’m so tired of right wingers in Poland. They will always repeat the same stupid argument that because in our language word “rodzina” (family) contains the “rodzić” (to give birth), and therefore it’s an institution for reproduction, so gay couples are not families. Words ethology decide what’s right or wrong I guess
Etymology, slogans, rhymes or catchy acronyms give our brains the illusion of hearing something that makes sense. Repeating them a million times drills them in your neural pathways. Plus they are easy to scream loud enough to drown any attempt at intelligent conversation.
That’s right-hand populist communication in a nutshell.
So people who can’t reproduce shouldn’t be able to get married either, hysterecomies and vasectomies invalidate your marriage and preclude future marriage. Women have to get a divorce and can’t remarry once they’ve gone through menopause. In fact, men can’t give birth at all, so only women should be able to get married. Makes sense to me!
And Hungary and Slovakia don’t forget!
I am from Slovakia. This will be such an ammunition for the current fascist government. I can already see all the press conferences that pig will appear in. There was a quiet talk about leaving EU for a while. Then they made a law where slovak law is above EU law. And now this. My fear is that if there will be a referendum about leaving EU, more than 50% will be for it. I bought a house five years ago and I was slowly repairing it. I moved in just this year. If not for that, I would already be gone from this country.
Imagine hating other people loving each other enough to prefer a dictatorship…
Leaving the country is helping the pigs.
They want you to leave.
They also pleasure themselves through your abuse while still reaping the benefits of your economic activity. They’re basically good either way whereas you’re better off without them if you can manage it, the same dynamics as an abusive couple
There are also tons like Italy, Czech republic, Croatia that have civil unions, but I don’t know if they respect foreign marriage.
Polacks gonna polack.
No clue why you’re being downvoted. I grew up in Eastern Europe. It’s a shithole of misogyny and pseudo-masculinity, like an infection by proximity with Russia and Turkey.
They’re getting downvoted because they made an obviously bigoted statement. But, y’know, bigots gonna bigot.
Found the pole
They’re bigoted against white fascists.
Poland grew up a lot in recent years though. Every post Soviet country had a rough journey rebuilding their entire country and culture tho Poland got really captured by Catholic grfit unfortunately.
It massive depends where in Poland. Some parts of Poland are super progressive, others regressive. It’s the nature of the beast.
Yep, it’s like that all over the world, anyone saying “fuck everyone from this particular country” is simply a bigot.
Yeah as a polish person I got what they meant but I found it offensive
Looks into Poland:
deeply racist and patriarchal country, with its roots deeply tied to Catholicism
Average lemmitor: “IT’S ALL THE FUCKING RUZZIANS AND TURKS!!!”
Southeastern Europe was under occupation by the Ottoman Empire for 500 years, then by the Russians for over half a century. Toxic aspects of these cultures (which are infamously misogynistic and racist) thereby spread across the continent.
So according to that graph you linked, Harris would have won everywhere except the bottom 8 countries, one of which is Russia and some have elected Russia friendly governments. Also out of those 7 countries, Slovenia, Slovakia and Hungary were not under Russian or Turkish influence. They were under Austrian Habsburg influence. Which only leaves Serbia, Bulgaria, Georgia and Moldova(the last two which have active Russian troops occupying their territory).
You also assume that their dislike of Harris is due to misogyny when it could be due to her policies. Even so, she would have won the election with over 50% of votes in literally 75% of European countries, some of which were under Turkish or Russian occupation or influence(Romania, Kosovo, Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Greece and Croatia). Shit, some of these countries don’t even vote their own head of goverment with over 50% and have to hold runoff elections most of the time. Harris getting over 50% of votes means she did better than their own homegrown politicians (though I assume the result are this way because of the binary choice presented, as most European elections have a plurality of candidates and the vote is split amongst them).
Proximity to Russia is strongly correlated with fascist politics. Hence Trump’s appeal. Open an atlas.
Also out of those 7 countries, Slovenia, Slovakia and Hungary were not under Russian or Turkish influence.
Where did you get that from?
As a Hungarian, I can easily tell you that that’s not the case. Hungary was under Turkish rule for more than 100 years between 1526-1699. It has left deep marks on both our language and culture (sometimes good ones, like having a lot of Turkish bathhouses, but mostly just set us back quite some years).
As for Russia, Hungary was a Soviet puppet state between 1944-1989. We have a national holiday on October 23 that is a remembrance day for a failed revolution against the Soviet Union, that was shot down in a bloodbath. The current ruling party started as one of the anti-Russian parties, Orbán (our current president) literally held a speech where he was chanting “Ruszkik haza!” (“Russians go home!”)… It’s unfortunate that he has completely flipped since then and is now welcoming Russian influence back.
I can only assume something similar for our neighbours, but I’m happy to look it up for you.
EDIT: Also, before anyone says it, I’m not contesting that the countries in the list were under Austrian (or Austro-Hungarian) rule too. The lines are messy with whose side of the story you’re reading, but as for Hungary the easy way to summarise it from the Turkish invasion is:
- Turkish rule
- Gets liberated by the Habsburgs, leading to
- Austrian rule
- Revolution, leading to getting some representation (sadly, just Hungary, not the other countries in the empire), leading to
- Austria-Hungary, leading to
- WW1
- Loads of failed governments, the great depression hits hard, leading to
- WW2, leading to
- Soviet occupation, leading to
- Failed revolutions
- Soviet Union falls, leading to
- Independent Hungarian republic, heavy anti-Russian sentiment, leading to
- Hungary tries to warm up to western powers, leading to
- Hungary joins the EU
- And now, with corruption and foreign influence going strong worldwide, Russian influence is rising again
The guy I was answering to claimed that the countries were under Turkish or Russian control for more than half a century. Which is not true. Hungary was under Turkish control for around 100 years but you’re not going to tell me that Turkish influence from the 17th century has such a major effect on today’s Hungary.
And while Hungary was under Soviet control it was not really a peaceful and compliant control as they had multiple resistances and popular uprising against them, starting with the 1956 revolution which the Soviets had to put down by killing thousands of Hungarians.
As someone raised in that region, I would have to think long and hard to come up with anything positive to say about Russian or Turkish influence
Yeah, so you’re just openly racist, gotcha!
If by “Russian occupation” you mean “belonging to the communist geopolitical block of Eastern Europe”, then I ask, what good things can you come up with about your newfound American occupation?
They’re the same race as me, moron. Their cultures are fascistic and oppressive and I’d rather die than go back.
The Catholic church has a very strong grip on Polish culture (and often government), which is what drives a lot of things like this
I’m familiar, I’ve been around polacks my whole life. The American branch is quite similar to their European counterparts.
