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    Rapist logic. I did what I did because I was strong enough to take what I want.

    Absolutely disgusting.

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      That’s the thing that binds together the youngest techbro and the oldest oil baron.

      Antisocial “might makes right and I’m going to win” mentalities.

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      It’s always been like this. This is how America acted for decades, but just denying it.
      Tbh it’s great they are just calling it openly, no need to convince people that they want to enslave latin America.

      They likely really screwed though - cuz if u announce this moral foundation they won’t get any support from locals, they basically killed it themselves.

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          Would you ascribe that to some sudden evolutionary species-wide shift in the human genome?

          We’re the same hungry short-sighted horrific apes as four generations ago. And now that the good cheap energy is starting to run out, we will start hacking each other to death for crumbs.

          It ain’t the Care Bears out there.

          https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rRVgSyZ6Gtg

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    This thread’s title is not sensational. Dudes a childish maniac with influence over the use of nuclear weapons.

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    What they did in Venezuela was so reprehensible that this is really the only possible defense. You can’t murder a bunch of innocent people to capture a drug trafficker and think that you get the moral high ground. If they can arrest Maduro and bring him to the US, then Venezuela should be able to arrest Trump for murder and bring him to Venezuela.

    There is no moral high ground. There is no good outcome. This is just what happens when evil people gain control of the world’s most powerful military.

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    People may have shrugged off Trump as a grifter, but Miller struck me as a pathetic excuse for a politician the very first time I saw him

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      He’s a true believer in white nationalism. And he’s not strictly wrong, either. In a world of Might Makes Right, the uncontested heavyweight champion can and does have a “right” to send in the goons, because there’s no countervailing force.

      Miller’s got the reins of this monster and he’s outspokenly using it in a way the advisors for Obama and Bush and Clinton admins were more sheepish about. But you’re foolish to believe the Bin Laden raid into Pakistan was any less internationally criminal than the attack into Caracas. It was just more politically palatable. In the same way, the US support for the overthrow of Assad and the installation of form Al Qaeda in Iraq leader Ahmed al-Shara and our proxy war against Yemen has absolutely been “just about the oil” passing through the Suez Canal.

      Miller’s committed the unspeakable crime of saying the quiet part out loud. And his voice is annoying to listen to. But he’s not breaking from our international policy in a material sense. He’s just coming at it like he’s six whiskeys deep at the Klan Rally rather than four martinis in at the Yale Business Club.

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        But you’re foolish to believe the Bin Laden raid into Pakistan was any less internationally criminal than the attack into Caracas.

        There’s a big difference between kidnapping the president of a country and kidnapping somebody who is internationally wanted and who the country in question denies harbouring.

        Sure, both are violations of international law, but one is easy more serious than the other.

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          There’s a big difference between kidnapping the president of a country and kidnapping somebody who is internationally wanted and who the country in question denies harbouring.

          Maduro was wanted in the US for a host of alleged crimes. And the problem wasn’t Pakistan hiding Bin Laden, it was their refusal to release him. If he was living in Ahmadabad openly, we’d have still gone in.

          Sure, both are violations of international law, but one is easy more serious than the other.

          One of them is more popular than the other. That’s the only difference. Get enough Americans especially angry at Maduro and the Caracas raid earns far more cheers than jeers.

          That’s what has hobbled the Trump administration more than his Bush and Reagan era peers. People like him less. The policies haven’t really changed.

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            Maduro was wanted in the US for a host of alleged crimes

            IN THE US. Not in Venezuela. Why do USians think their laws apply outside the country?

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              IN THE US. Not in Venezuela.

              To my knowledge, Bin Laden wasn’t charged with any crimes in Pakistan.

              Why do USians think their laws apply outside the country?

              Because they know they have the power to project law enforcement actions over national boundaries.

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          It’s a realistic thought. You can cling to moral ideology, but it won’t save you from the hard stop at the end of your long rope.

          Trump’s official power is a directly consequence of his loyal military goon squads. That power ends where the US capacity to inflict violence terminates. J6 failed because the police sided with Congress and the incoming President. The next one won’t fail, because all those liberal loyalists will have been purged from their roles.

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      Miller isn’t even a politician, nobody voted for him.

      He is just the evil puppet master of Trump.

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    This dude gave an unhinged rant in high school. None of this should be surprising. He and his wife need to be yeeted into the sun.

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    The fact that he’s allowed to be a public spokesperson for the administration speaks wonders. Wormtongue is supposed to be whispering in the shadows like he was in the first term. He’s now the public face of the mask off authoritarian message that keeps ramping up.

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      I was just saying tonight - the fact that we’re seeing more and more of racist Nosferatu means things are getting much worse. They are have dropped all pretense of giving a shit. They’re not even giving us lies anymore. It’s now just “fuck you that’s why”.

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    The problem this time is that unlike Germany, the US has almost unlimited technology, military force, and the backing of Russia. Fascism usually burns itself out for lack of resources. This time it could take a hundred years.

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    Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller is behind most of the bad stuff in this administration, and behind ALL of the immigration stuff. Trump has already floated him as the guy to be in charge of running Venezuela. He will turn it into a slave colony, and force them to pump their oil for us. And worse.

    The Dems need to make him as much of the face of MAGA as Trump, and I mean that literally. He is one of the most repellent people on the planet, and just looking at his picture gives you an accurate first impression. Most of America has never even heard of this guy, yet he is Trump’s most trusted and influential advisor.

    The Dems need to make every voter aware of PeeWee Himmler, and make him a major issue in the upcoming Midterm Elections. Trump has some mysterious charisma that’s lost on me, but PeeWee Himmler has an anti-charisma like I’ve never seen before. To just see him is to dislike him, but as you get to know him, you realize that he’s actually pure evil, like Wormtongue whispering poison in the demented Trump’s ear.

    Make him a central figure in MAGA, second only to Trump, and run against him hard. Just like Trump, he has a notoriously thin skin, so besides making him known, it will have the effect of humiliating him.

    If we can’t get these traitors out of office, we can at least make sure that they don’t get to luxuriate in their evil power, make them guard their safety, and fight hard for everything they want that they thought would be easy to take. We have to harass them mercilessly, every minute of every day, and Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller needs to be taking a LOT of that harassment.

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    So, by that same logic, any other country can, if it has the resources, kill him because reasons, right? If international rules are over…

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      I mean effectively that’s basically what they are calling for… Hell I think that’s half what they are hoping for… either another country makes an attempt to attack and we get to test out our detection and defenses before launching a sharp counter and claiming whatever country attacks as our own. Or everyone’s too afraid to, and then we leverage our position as the unstable psychopath bully that everyone just gives whatever it asks for in the hopes that they can avoid being the next bullying target.

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        Even the world vs the United States would be a bad idea. We’re geographically isolated from major military powers, and unless there is civil war and regional breakup (nowhere close to happening), the US is impossible to seriously threaten.

        It also doesn’t make sense for anybody to pick a fight with the US, as Trump is destroying both the American economy and global influence. Nobody can do more damage to America than Trump, so placating him in surface level ways while preparing a costly defensive strategy is the smart move.

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          The problem is what happens when surface level isn’t enough… IE with the Venezuela having happened, what’s the response to do for Canada and Greenland. When trump says “OK we’re taking these now, join us or we’ll take it by force”. How should the other nations respond?

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              I’d say to put in comparison… Canada and Greenland probably should view themselves as in the same position as Ukraine. The parallels are kind of scary there. IE they sure as hell are doing an impressive job of holding their ground against a much bigger army… but the death toll is horrific… and I can’t imagine the difficult decisions for everyone with regards to how dangerous it is to get involved. While both Putin and Trump are horrible actors… Trump I can’t help but get the feeling he doesn’t understand the concept of MAD, and actually would launch a nuke.

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                Trump is fundamentally different from Putin. Putin wants to restore the empire Russia lost with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Trump wants to bully and power trip, but doesn’t want an all out war. After he realized attacking Iran might lead to a more protracted war, he immediately tried to deescalate. Lucky for him Iran is suffering greatly from internal issues and didn’t really want more problems, but other targets will not back down so easily.

                This isn’t to say he won’t attack Greenland, but it is less likely than most of Latin American. He wouldn’t want a war of attrition against a modern military, but an overwhelming show of force with no clear goal beyond death an mayhem. His strategy is to beat smaller nations until they call him God and bend the knee. He’s a bully, not a conquer.

                What will be more scary is if he dies in the middle of escalating wars. JD Vance is a weakling who will easily fold to the rabid zealots who might actually want expensive conquest. They might suspend elections and start forever wars to keep power until they collapse under their own weight.

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            They should already have stopped all trade and cooperation with us but they haven’t so that’s a good place to start.

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    This is getting dark but at this point US is clearly on a path to start using their powerful military to invade and occupy other countries. They are becoming the Nazi Germany of the XXI century but since they have nuclear weapons no one will be able to stop them. This will basically mean new cold war between US and China (and maybe EU if they manage to unite and develop a common position). So yeah, a lot of suffering ahead of us with a chance of nuclear war.

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      Except that, if China went full cold war with the US, all they’d have to do is stop selling to the US and the entire US economy would collapse. Not to mention that economic sanctions against the US would cripple the country completely, because Trump would just immediately default on the country’s debt (as he loves to do) and, oh yeah, the entire NYSE would crater to 0 in about 5 minutes flat.

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        the scenario in which China just stops selling to the US would probably collapse China’s economy too. Think about it. Why is the national debt so high? How is it that high and yet “most prosperous nation in the world”? International investment. There’s a lot of money invested from China and other countries. Their investments are only good so long as the American economy is good. International investors can leverage American debt to them as sort of capital asset to thereby invest in other things…

        It’s a giant domino effect. When China pulls out, the American economy will likely collapse… but, then all the money people had invested and had leveraged also collapse… and so then those international investors can’t pay their debts because they have nothing to leverage it with and thus also collapse… and so on and so forth… the ripple is wide.

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          the scenario in which China just stops selling to the US would probably collapse China’s economy too

          While the US may be one of their biggest single customer (representing about 16% of China’s exports), they’re far from China’s only customer.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_China

          The EU is almost the same size of market as the US, and the southeast Asian countries as a group are a larger customer than either of those.

          Cutting off the US won’t cripple China. Plus the Chinese government is very willing to play the long game if they can foresee an eventual positive outcome for themselves.