Venezuelans who come to the US tend to be wealthier, in order to be able to get here, and have enough issues with their country in order to leave, issues that they will usually blame on the leadership.
None of this is to say Maduro has majority support, he doesn’t by most accounts, or that they don’t represent a sizable chunk of Venezuelans who don’t like Maduro, but that his support isn’t as non-existent over there as it is here.
It’d be like if Trump took over the US and you only got your views on what Americans think from expat communities in Canada. They would probably cheer his death, even if it was by a foreign empire, but that wouldn’t be representative of average Americans who probably wouldn’t like the foreign intervention, even if they don’t like Trump.
What Venezuelans do with Venezuela is their own business.
For many Venezuelans seeing Maduro go is a good thing. At the same time kidnapping a foreign leader is just wrong and will have long term negative repercussions. Both being true doesn’t invalidate each other.
It’s amazing how many people cannot grasp that you can dislike Maduro but not support illegal US Warhawk imperialism.
In other words
If a mob boss murders a drug dealer in order to help expand their “territory”: they’re still both evil criminals and the mob boss should still be charged
It’s always interesting to watch these things unfold. I feel like unfortunately the right and MAGA always seem more informed about this stuff. The left leaning spaces had a weird lag where they didn’t realize Venezuelans didn’t like Maduro. The left seems like it just reacts whereas the right are proactive lately
You gotta be on something if your think MAGA are ‘nore informed’
I don’t know. It depends on how you classify informed. I’d bet they, on average, spend more time glued to a “news” source, so they’re being informed, 24/7, just not with truth.
Exactly this.
In my experience the left are resting on they laurels. But in my day to day, people on the right are just now obsessive with current events. People i met on the left are just way more disengaged. They’ll react to things but they’re not doing deep dives like they did in the past. People who want to argue against this should go to any public site where those lines are clear and check out the left leaning conversations vs the right. It’s almost always the right leaning places have much more details and points and opinions whereas the left leaning places are all just insults and saying how upset a commenter.
The left is exhausted. Democratic leadership is uninterested in fighting, and the electorate is angry, but has been angry for so long they’re disconnecting to stay sane.
I don’t think MAGA is more informed on this, they just have a different myopic view. They’re only listening to the Venezuelan diaspora in the US who are almost entirely happy about Maduros ousting.
The reality is Maduro is a controversial figure in Venezuela, just like trump is here. A majority don’t like him, a smaller percentage hate him and some people like him. Ignoring any of these factions and flattening all Venezuelans down to one opinion is why we got here. Trump was buying everything the diaspora was telling him about how everyone over there hates Maduro and we just need to take him out and his whole regime will fall down like a house of cards. Maduros regime wasn’t a house of cards like they were told though and it does have some base that will require a lot more than I think trump is willing to do to topple it.
People who expatriate from their home country typically dont have nice things to say about it. Its scary to me that so many people uncritically accept their opinions as fact.
Uncritically accepting anything is always a problem. In this case, American Venezuelans are not representative of their entire home country, as OP says. But on the other hand they likely know more about Venezuela than the average American, so I wouldn’t reject what they have to say categorically either.
So its like American Cubans?
And most groups really. The dynamics are often the same. We see the folks who were wealthy and discontent enough to leave. It can’t be overstated how expensive it can be to move to the US from some places. People have to save for years just for the airfare.
Wealthy? They literally were asking for food on the streets and sleeping in the parks
We’re taking about on the scale of their home country. Most Venezuelans couldn’t even manage to get themselves here to be beggars.
Which is more tragic. Imagine starving to death in your own country and o ly the ones who have $20 with luck can go out. How this is a justification for maduros regime?
What? It’s not. The point stands that mostly in the US you meet a very select group of people from other countries, usually of more means, usually with some reason why they left. You are working very hard to not understand something pretty basic. It’s like you’ve never known an immigrant.
it’s also likely they know the formula: “show support not protest because protest will get you ICE’d.”
You don’t know Venezuelans if you think this way lol! Do you think Venezuelans with papers care about “getting ICE’d”?
I’m not saying Trump wouldn’t try this. I’m saying that your comment shows lack of context.
Edit: keep on with the downvotes. I know what I’m talking about lol!
where did i mention papers? ICE is detaining CITIZENS for crying out loud. Support for trump is support for fascism and genocide.
Again, you don’t know Venezuelans with papers, fascism or not.
amd neither do you. doesn’t change the facts about trump lol.
You guys are arguing different points.
ICE will deport anyone it wants, papers or not.
Venezuelians with papers apparently don’t give a shit if they get deported.
These aren’t mutually exclusive facts.
Lol, “a Venezuelan who was born and raised in Venezuela, lived among all kinds of fellow Venezuelan people, rich poor, decent, criminals, law abiding and opportunistic, selfless and egocentric, saw it fall in the hands of fascism, then moved to the U.S., got a Master’s degree, and had to take a U.S. civics test to become an American citizen, doesn’t know what he’s talking about”.
Sure, man.
I’ll say yes… Yes they do.
Trump has made it crystal clear that any non-white South American is subject to deportation on the whim of Steven Miller.
There’s 100 million Americans of latin/african/asian ancestry to deport, after all.
Lilywhite America is gonna want to stay the dominant group, any way - legal, moral or not - it can.
And again, you don’t know Venezuelans, since there are plenty of them who are Italian and Portuguese descendants, and they are as entitled as the white race they represent.
I’m telling you, man. I know what I’m talking about because I know my people. I have all the context.
Nobody cares if you know what you’re talking about. Support the narrative or shut your mouth.
Lol, yup, I definitely noticed this sentiment here. Oh well.
This can also be said of the Cuban diaspora. So many people that I know (including those in my family) will shit talk “communism” and praise Trump as if he was their own personal savior. They don’t even have a rudimentary understanding of Marxism let alone leftist political thought as a whole. Yes, Soviet-style Marxism-Leninism led to authoritarianism and the Castro regime wasn’t great. But do you really someone like Flugencio or (for a modern reference) Bukele serving US capitalist interests?
I feel like I’m a rare breed of anti-communist that also isn’t anti-leftist.
I was born in PRC, I hate the CCP for both it’s politics and on a personal level (2nd child born under One Child Policy, which they tried to “terminate” me)
That said, I, as an immigrant to the US, I also despise the far-right. I never supported the republican party I always supported Democrats, despite me being pro-gun (cuz I’m not a single-issue voter), and more specifically, I support progressivism, like I liked Bernie the moment I heard about the Medicare 4 All and that sort of stuff (but wasn’t old enough to vote at the time). Like why the fuck would I support an ideology that wants to deport me? Lmfao. I know my history, I know of the Chinese Exclusion Act. Don’t want that shit to happen again.
I like Mamdani (I’m not a New Yorker anymore, used to live in NYC), cuz I know he ain’t a communist (as in the authoritarian stuff). A Democratic Socialist is not a communist.
I have nuance, normie don’t understand shit and instantly defaults to campism.
It doesn’t matter what style of Marxist ideology is attempted, they will all lead down to the same path of authoritarianism, mismanagement, and corruption. The ideologies and underlying framework are fundamentally flawed.
That being said, I don’t appreciate the false dichotomy. There’s clearly more, and way better options than a corrupt tyrannical leftist state or a corrupt tyrannical right wing state put in by the US. There’s no reason anyone should support either because they’re lesser of evils when there are paths to pick something that’s not evil at all.
Also a bit of hypocrisy decrying Maduro’s illegitimate government and then cheering on your own.
Dear Europe,
It seems it’s now ok to depose a criminal leader by force. Just sayin. Hint.
-Americans
Average American here … Please can we get some of that Foreign Intervention you speak of?
Pretty please?
Unfortunately it might come in the form of a nuke.
I do wonder, what % of anti-trump people would be okay witha foreign power using a military raid to arrest him while killing secret service personnel to do it. It’s a nonzero number for sure… but how high. Somone should totally do a poll.
Unlike Maduro, trump won his election. ;)
It happens with almost any latin american community in the USA. It happens with almost latin american community on internet.
For example, r/Colombia or r/Bogota are huge echo chambers of daddys’s boys, neoliberals and even cardboard-colored neonazis who don’t have a grasp about the complexities of the country and seem to live in a bubble. i.e. they make fun of people who don’t have Netflix… on a Country where less than 50% of people have internet access, not everyone has a TV and there are places where you only can tune a couple of AM radio stations.
Pretty sure something similar happens with almost every latin american country community on the internet or in a so-called “first world” country.
That being said, some Venezuelans deny criminal organizations like “Tren de Aragua” are real or that venezuelans are running them, be Maduro supporters or not. But they’re real and are extorting and killing people in other countries in Latin America. This is not to say every venezuelan is a criminal, but not every venezuelan is a saint.
Our countries’ reality is way, way more complex than people in the USA realize.
