EDIT: I apologize. This was a bit snarkier in tone than I intended, and probably escalated conversations in ways that I shouldn’t have. A more civil way to put it is I disagree on the standard of “seriousness” ascribed to the earlier Star Trek series; take the Riker maeuver, for instance.
Red Letter Media just had a video about how Kurtzman Trek people who point to that DS9 scene overtly never saw that episode and looked up “silly Trek Scene” on Google. Same applies to your other gifs, tbh. You have overtly never seen these episodes. I don’t see why you kids even bother arguing. You won. All 3000 of you get to enjoy Vampire Diaries in space while millions of old men weep…
Complaining about “kids these days ruining Star Trek” is just sad, Bud. If you can’t engage with people on here without insulting them based on an assumed trait, kindly find another place to talk about Trek.
And, just so we’re clear, I’m old enough that I’ve been watching Trek since before TNG was in production, and my favourite episodes have always been the silly ones.
Remember when Kirk and Spock went to the gangster planet, and Kirk got really into the role?
Remember when Worf, Alexander, and Troi were trapped on the holodeck populated by western archetypes that all had Data’s face and abilities, including the busty saloon madame? Talk about fully functional.
Remember when, in the middle of a war with an existential threat, the crew of DS9 stopped to play baseball against Sisko’s academy bully?
Remember when the Doctor started day dreaming, including improvising an opera about how Tuvok was overtaken by the pon’farr, and the potato shaped aliens using him to spy on the crew thought everything he was imagining was real?
Remember almost every holodeck, Ferengi, mirror universe, or Lawaxana Troi episode? Star Trek can be deep and serious and meaningful, but it can also be very, very silly. And that’s awesome.
It is sad. Kurtzman ruined a franchise that is probably doomed to be discontinued imminently for lack of interest. If you can’t tell the difference between moments of levity in Berman Trek and the tone issue in Kurtzman Trek…
They put up the first episode of Academy for free on youtube 4 days ago and it’s averaged like 2000 views per hour. The episode cost $10 million to make. It’s not sustainable to expend these Kurtzman budgets for the audience it gets economically. It’s not like there’s kids lining up at Walmart to buy Discovery toys. Star Trek: Enterprise was averaging 2.9 million viewers per episode with a MUCH smaller budget when it was cancelled.
Every Kurtzman Trek product has operated at a loss so far, and it’s not like they’re making that up on merch… there’s a rumor out there that Les Moonves signed an insane contract with Kurtzman out of spite for being metooed on his way out where they need to pay a flat $250mil to Kurtzman to STOP making these… doesn’t seem like an insane theory when you have literally $2 billion spent on Star Trek content with a viewership under a million people.
That episode’s tone is more horror than anything else. It’s the application of something childish as something unsettling, like Children of The Corn or Weapons. It is decidedly NOT the same tone as Tig Notaro being whacky.
lol. You out yourself by citing Red Letter Media as if that is anything to take seriously other than a source of potential mis/disinformation on any given topic.
I’ve been watching Trek since TOS was in first run. I’ve actually worked with real life military.
Your attitude and comments strongly suggest you have neither experience.
Current Star Trek is in no way less credible than the franchise was in any previous era of production. Yes, it’s making different choices for a different generation of audience but on balance it’s just as authentic.
“The Magicians in Space”, “Vampire Diaries in Space”, “Gossip Girl in Space”, you’ve got a million of these. I’d have trouble naming so many shows I don’t like. I forget about them pretty quickly because I just stop watching them and never engage with their fandom.
That’s genuinely very confusing. When someone tells me a show is like another show I like, but in space, that’s usually an endorsement. Gene Roddenberry literally pitched Star Trek as “Wagon Train in Space”.
I’d argue what defined Berman Trek in particular was being something uniquely high-minded and intelligent that was truly NOT [other series] in space by any measure. I also find it hard to believe that Wagon Train is terribly similar to OG Trek beyond people go place to place on a frontier, but maybe Wagon Train is way more cerebral and involves more strange fiction tropes than I would think, I’ve never seen it.
It’s deeply unserious.
EDIT: I apologize. This was a bit snarkier in tone than I intended, and probably escalated conversations in ways that I shouldn’t have. A more civil way to put it is I disagree on the standard of “seriousness” ascribed to the earlier Star Trek series; take the Riker maeuver, for instance.
Ah, yes, Star Trek, the “dead serious” show.
Red Letter Media just had a video about how Kurtzman Trek people who point to that DS9 scene overtly never saw that episode and looked up “silly Trek Scene” on Google. Same applies to your other gifs, tbh. You have overtly never seen these episodes. I don’t see why you kids even bother arguing. You won. All 3000 of you get to enjoy Vampire Diaries in space while millions of old men weep…
Complaining about “kids these days ruining Star Trek” is just sad, Bud. If you can’t engage with people on here without insulting them based on an assumed trait, kindly find another place to talk about Trek.
And, just so we’re clear, I’m old enough that I’ve been watching Trek since before TNG was in production, and my favourite episodes have always been the silly ones.
Remember when Kirk and Spock went to the gangster planet, and Kirk got really into the role?
Remember when Worf, Alexander, and Troi were trapped on the holodeck populated by western archetypes that all had Data’s face and abilities, including the busty saloon madame? Talk about fully functional.
Remember when, in the middle of a war with an existential threat, the crew of DS9 stopped to play baseball against Sisko’s academy bully?
Remember when the Doctor started day dreaming, including improvising an opera about how Tuvok was overtaken by the pon’farr, and the potato shaped aliens using him to spy on the crew thought everything he was imagining was real?
Remember almost every holodeck, Ferengi, mirror universe, or Lawaxana Troi episode? Star Trek can be deep and serious and meaningful, but it can also be very, very silly. And that’s awesome.
It is sad. Kurtzman ruined a franchise that is probably doomed to be discontinued imminently for lack of interest. If you can’t tell the difference between moments of levity in Berman Trek and the tone issue in Kurtzman Trek…
What is your evidence that Trek is doomed?
Also, if you don’t like the shows currently being produced, is it really that sad?
They put up the first episode of Academy for free on youtube 4 days ago and it’s averaged like 2000 views per hour. The episode cost $10 million to make. It’s not sustainable to expend these Kurtzman budgets for the audience it gets economically. It’s not like there’s kids lining up at Walmart to buy Discovery toys. Star Trek: Enterprise was averaging 2.9 million viewers per episode with a MUCH smaller budget when it was cancelled.
You do understand the differences between modern television making and 25 years ago, correct?
If modern era Trek was really so unsustainable, would they be going into their ninth year of it?
Every Kurtzman Trek product has operated at a loss so far, and it’s not like they’re making that up on merch… there’s a rumor out there that Les Moonves signed an insane contract with Kurtzman out of spite for being metooed on his way out where they need to pay a flat $250mil to Kurtzman to STOP making these… doesn’t seem like an insane theory when you have literally $2 billion spent on Star Trek content with a viewership under a million people.
“Alla maraine! Count to four! Alla maraine, then three more! Alla maraine, then you’ll see. Alla maraine, you’ll come with me!”
That episode’s tone is more horror than anything else. It’s the application of something childish as something unsettling, like Children of The Corn or Weapons. It is decidedly NOT the same tone as Tig Notaro being whacky.
lol. You out yourself by citing Red Letter Media as if that is anything to take seriously other than a source of potential mis/disinformation on any given topic.
I’ve been watching Trek since TOS was in first run. I’ve actually worked with real life military.
Your attitude and comments strongly suggest you have neither experience.
Current Star Trek is in no way less credible than the franchise was in any previous era of production. Yes, it’s making different choices for a different generation of audience but on balance it’s just as authentic.
Those choices are attracting an exponentially smaller audience, but like I said, you won, go enjoy Gossip Girl in space, its your franchise now.
“The Magicians in Space”, “Vampire Diaries in Space”, “Gossip Girl in Space”, you’ve got a million of these. I’d have trouble naming so many shows I don’t like. I forget about them pretty quickly because I just stop watching them and never engage with their fandom.
Something to consider.
They’re all great shows, which are not Star Trek.
That’s genuinely very confusing. When someone tells me a show is like another show I like, but in space, that’s usually an endorsement. Gene Roddenberry literally pitched Star Trek as “Wagon Train in Space”.
I’d argue what defined Berman Trek in particular was being something uniquely high-minded and intelligent that was truly NOT [other series] in space by any measure. I also find it hard to believe that Wagon Train is terribly similar to OG Trek beyond people go place to place on a frontier, but maybe Wagon Train is way more cerebral and involves more strange fiction tropes than I would think, I’ve never seen it.