Waaaaaahhhhh! Mod deleted my post and I’m maaaaaad! Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!
People like you paint a target on your own back. It makes it so easy.
Insult isn’t even a crime :P
That very much depends on your jurisdiction.
Depend who you insult
A moderator might disagree.
Moderators are not here to judge crimes, they are here to help create a healthy community.
A moderator defines the boundaries of an online community. If content or a person don’t fit a community, they are removed. Not all content is appropriate for all places. If someone starts a fight in a bar, they will be removed. Disagreement must be kept within the rules of the venue or offenders will be removed. It’s a reasonable expectation.
If you read the classical texts defending freedom of speech (Mill, Spinoza, Kant, et.c.), you’ll see that the point was supposed to be to get as many ideas as possible up on the table, so they can be rationally discussed and considered.
They were quite clear that harassment, shaming and other ways of shutting people up, goes against this purpose - and while they might not want the government to get involved, I don’t think they’d have a big problem with platforms doing content moderation to prevent those sorts of things.
How should this work if someone doesn’t go along with the trans agenda?
Trans people will say they’re being harassed/shamed if someone doesn’t see them how they want to be seen.
It is possible to harass and shame people by misgendering them, e.g. by conspicuously and repeatedly referring to them in the third person. I think some people do try to chase trans people off the public square using tactics like that. Beyond that, my gut feeling is that if it’s a belief that’s presented honestly and curiously, those philosophers would want it expressed.
The whole trans debate is a bit of a mess in this regard, I think. For trans people, it is very personal, and it’s been jazzed up so much by the whole culture war bs. Everyone who has an opinion on it, seem to finish presenting it with “END OF DISCUSSION”, not really in line with those enlightenment ideals.
Surely we aren’t striving for quantity over quantity. Because that’s where this sorta leads
That’s exactly the idea. The process of rational discussion and consideration is supposed to take care of the quality.
Obviously this was before the birth of the internet, and also before the birth of the think tank :l
Maybe there should be quality criteria for what constitutes an idea worth discussing. Not every social media post is an idea.
AFAIK censorship isn’t a crime at all, and insults can be* over here
*if they are ‘hate speech’ which I am not sure if is defined in law or not
Depends on the country. Hate speech is defined in Canadian law I think
I’m shooting for an objective, real-value kind of perspective here.
Not really. Censorship is not only about political opinions. Banning child pornography is a form of censorship, but I doubt anyone sane would dare to argue that that’s a bad thing. (if anyone reading thinks otherwise, please do me a favour and go jump off a bridge, the world would be better place without you)
But even if we focus on political discourse, consider the paradox of tolerance. If we lived in an ideal society, censorship would not be necessary. But we don’t, there are people that are more than happy to take away other’s rights and freedom of opinion. A functional society must be intolerant of the intolerant and not give them a platform.
The paradox of tolerance disappears when you look at it as a social contract. “I agree to tolerate your weirdness, that doesn’t significantly affect me, if you do the same in turn.” Add in “If you back me when someone breaks the contract, and I will back you in turn.” and you get a very good basis to build on. You end up with a few grey areas, but 95% is obvious.
This ignores the case of a private insult issued to the moderator, pre or post censorship.
I’m beginning to suspect this thread is just you having a personal grudge and vagueposting about it.
Jump for that low hanging fruit little buddy
Also I want make crystal clear, after seeing which of my posts that does not get positive rating & the ignorance here, by far, far & far too many members, I do not care what rating the post of this awesome post, presoak@lazysoci.al, is!
BINGO, but not all communication is the same, some is in fact harmful people in minority of power structures, like speech of 1930s-current ‘Nazis’ & speech of the past-current USA politicians, Ex-President used his speech to media & the world to incite The USA-NATO & Ukraine VS Russia War & ‘The Crazy Don’, his administration & The Rep. ‘Crazy Capitalist’ Party speech to current sick actions.
