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    It’s one thing to host a gigantic torrent somewhere.

    It’s another thing entirely to offer up a nice frontend for everyone to play files from that torrent. First off, the traffic costs will inflate dramatically. Second, lawyers would be all over it.

    They can host what they have currently because it’s low-profile enough that it doesn’t make waves. That will not be true if my mom can roll up and easily pirate her favorite songs.

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      First off, the traffic costs will inflate dramatically.

      Not how torrents work

      Second, lawyers would be all over it.

      Also not how torrents work

      it’s low-profile enough that it doesn’t make waves.

      It was covered in many major news outlets.

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      It’s another thing entirely to offer up a nice frontend for everyone to play files from that torrent.

      The content will be there whether people are streaming it or not. When OP said “anyone”, they were not necessarily referring to AA.

      the traffic costs will inflate dramatically.

      I imagine they considered this before they acquired the content.

      They can host what they have currently because it’s low-profile enough that it doesn’t make waves.

      The question is not whether or not they will be hosting the files. They have already said they will. So that’s neither here nor there.

      It’s made waves several times. Including the time Meta scraped all the books from it.

      That will not be true if my mom can roll up and easily pirate her favorite songs.

      Guess we’re going to find out!

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        The content will be there whether people are streaming it or not. When OP said “anyone”, they were not necessarily referring to AA.

        Sure, not sure how that applies to what I said though.

        I imagine they considered this before they acquired the content.

        Why would they account for someone developing a tool to slurp up their bandwidth?

        The question is not whether or not they will be hosting the files. They have already said they will. So that’s neither here nor there.

        Why is that the question?

        It’s made waves several times. Including the time Meta scraped all the books from it.

        That’s not even remotely comparable to someone creating a publically accessible, friendly UI for reading all those books.

        Guess we’re going to find out!

        I would guess we never find out because no one is ever going to make such an app, for all the reasons I listed.

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          That’s not even remotely comparable to someone creating a publically accessible, friendly UI for reading all those books.

          I like this idea too!

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          not sure how that applies to what I said though.

          Because if the files are hosted, they can be streamed. And they’re going to be hosted. They can’t control that.

          Why would they account for someone developing a tool to slurp up their bandwidth?

          Because it’s an inevitable reality?

          I would guess we never find out because no one is ever going to make such an app, for all the reasons I listed.

          The reasons you listed specified why AA cannot or should not host the files. But that is not in question. They have said they are hosting the files. They have nothing to do with why anyone anyone else cannot or should not create an app to stream those files.

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            Because if the files are hosted, they can be streamed. And they’re going to be hosted. They can’t control that.

            Who can’t control that? AA? Of course they can. If their bandwidth spins out of control, they can just pull the torrent. The Law? They can compel whoever is hosting the frontend to take it down, or persue legal action against AA.

            Because it’s an inevitable reality?

            Not really, no.

            The reasons you listed specified why AA cannot or should not host the files.

            That’s not true.

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                Can you link me to the part of that article that says that somehow once you put a torrent file on your server, you can never remove it from your server?

                Or were you just trying to do a gotcha without understanding what I said?

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                  Once you put a torrent out, you don’t have control of it. The uploader does not have a kill-switch. Torrents are peer-to-peer without a central server.

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              If their bandwidth spins out of control, they can just pull the torrent

              I mean sure. But then it all would have been for nothing. I don’t think they’re that dumb.

              The Law? They can compel whoever is hosting the frontend to take it down

              On what grounds? It’s just software. It’s not doing anything illegal. Lots of software like this already exists for YouTube and Spotify.

              Not really, no.

              LOL yes.

              That’s not true.

              It is.

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                I mean sure. But then it all would have been for nothing. I don’t think they’re that dumb.

                Only if the assumption is that the reason AA is hosting the scaped content is for someone to create a frontend that hooks into it and soaks up their bandwidth. Which is an absurd assumption.

                On what grounds? It’s just software. It’s not doing anything illegal. Lots of software like this already exists for YouTube and Spotify.

                And YouTube and Spotify target that software legally wherever they feel they are being harmed by it.

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                  Only if the assumption

                  The assumption is that it will be, regardless of intent. Saying otherwise is absurd.

                  And YouTube and Spotify target that software legally wherever they feel they are being harmed by it.

                  They do what they can but they don’t go anywhere because they’re not illegal. Not say to anything of actual torrenting software like qbittorrent or Stremio that have been around for years.

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                    The assumption is that it will be, regardless of intent. Saying otherwise is absurd.

                    The assumption is that someone will come along and develop a frontend that ravages their bandwidth?

                    If that’s truly your stance then we’re essentially just done.

                    They do what they can but they don’t go anywhere because they’re not illegal.

                    Providing access to copyrighted content without a license is indeed illegal.

                    Not say to anything of actual torrenting software like qbittorrent or Stremio that have been around for years.

                    But we’re explicitly not talking about torrenting. Is that why you seem confused?

                    If we’re talking about torrenting the files and playing them, then we’re back to my original comment about how music players already exist.