• BigFig@lemmy.world
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    9 hours ago

    Aren’t all Russian T model tanks like that? They store the ammo in the walls of the tank running on a track around the occupants. So when it blows you are not surviving

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      7 hours ago

      Yes, the reason being that T models have an autoloading mechanism that needs direct access to the ammo. They don’t really care, since their soldiers seem to be cheap (to them) and the explosive failure requires a direct hit on the tank. Basically, Western tanks are designed with the safety of the crew in mind, Russian tanks with the safety of the tank in mind.

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          8 hours ago

          Well, it makes sense for the loading mechanism they use and on paper it leads to a higher rate of fire due to the more accessible rounds.

          However, when asking Ukrainian tank crews, who operate both Russian and Western style tanks, what they prefer, the answer is pretty much always western tanks. Better ergonomics is also a thing (Russian/Soviet tanks are notoriously cramped) but I guess the higher survivability even after a full penetration might be what tips the scales.

          • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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            7 hours ago

            The thing is, you can design an autoloader in a way that protects the crew.

            The survability of western tanks isn’t just about where the ammo is stored, but how it’s stored. Western tanks, both with and without autoloaders, place all the ammo at the back, either of the turret or the hill respectively. More importantly, the ammo is stored in a heavily armoured compartment, which has blow-out panels on the outside of the vehicle; the ammo detonates the panels collapse, allowing the force of the explosion to spread out from the tank.

            The problem with the T90 design (which is really just an updated T72) is that the autoloader is attached to the bottom of the turret basket. This means there’s no possible way to vent the explosion outside, other than by going through the turret, and through the crew along the way.

          • WIZARD POPE💫@lemmy.world
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            7 hours ago

            Yeah western tanks have their ammo stored in the turret bustle with blast panels and blast doors that save the crew in the case of ammo being hit (if the doors are closed and if the shell that hits ammo did not punctire said doors). They also often use propellant less susceptible to exploding if the ammo gets hit.

            The russian tanks on the other side have a way smaller silhouette as well as being cramped to all hell which just compounds this issue.