Soooo, supermium, then?
The PC Gamer article’s title also says “upgrade or”. That’s a heck of a detail to editorialize out of the title.
From the Mozilla post it cites:
After this, no security updates will be provided and you are strongly encouraged to upgrade to a supported Microsoft Windows version.
Or, if your current hardware can’t handle Windows 10 or higher for some reason, you can switch to a Linux-based operating system. The vast majority of Linux distributions come with Firefox as the default browser.
I agree switching to Linux is the better option. I want to try Bazzite.
Bazzite’s excellent, just be aware going in that it’s an immutible distro and some stuff may be different than you’re used to.
It will be different anyway, as it is a completely different operating system that has nothing in common with windows.
Windows is so shit. Glad I switched, everything works so much better on Linux.
95 was the last good windows i said what i said
98SE enters the chat
I did like 98SE a lot, was impressed by 95 and loved 3.1, but the first really great, stable, modern windows was 2k
Since most of Lemmy users are Linux fans, this headline is a bit misleading if you read the original post from Mozilla:
How can I get the newest features of Firefox?
If you want to keep your Firefox up to date, with all the latest features and security updates, you need to upgrade your operating system to Windows 10 or higher. In some cases, Microsoft may require newer hardware in order to support the newer operating system. After upgrading, you can easily reinstall Firefox and keep all of your settings.
Or, if your current hardware can’t handle Windows 10 or higher for some reason, you can switch to a Linux-based operating system. The vast majority of Linux distributions come with Firefox as the default browser. Please see the support websites for the version of Linux that you’re interested in.
sounds nice but is a bit misleading
To me it even sounds kind of scary. If they are telling users you need to switch your OS to continue using our app, that is going to isolate users and further decrease user base and market share. And apps that no one uses usually die. So for people who like Firefox, it doesn’t sound so nice. I’m also a Linux user, but I’m not sure if this is a positive way to drive users to Linux. (Thought it does mention windows 10 upgrade hardware requirement limitations, which might be a positive way to drive users to Linux, thanks Microsoft.)
Those versions of windows haven’t had support for years. They shouldn’t even be connected to the internet.
What a bad take.
Are you really asking Mozilla to restart supporting Windows XP as well because the web browser is used for some embedded application, too?And so what?
If the user liked Firefox, they will need to switch the OS anyway. Doesnt matter if Apple, MS or Linux. Firefox is present in all them.man I’m facing either needing to get a new pc in THIS market to use 10, or find an entire new professional software workflow to do my job. professional video on Linux isn’t real. hobbysist video sure, but pro video work with partners just isn’t realistic on linux.
this is the first thing that’s actually pushing me hard.
How the hell are you editing video on a PC that can’t even support Windows 10?
Yoy are doing professional video work on a PC old enough that it can’t run Windows 10?
Market share for Win 7-8.1 is, no joke, 0.69% (nice). And how many of those users are running FireFox?
But windoze 10 or 11 are different operating systems then windows 8.
Already on Linux.
Life is good 👍
Made the switch when Windows 7 went EOL. Helped plenty of others make the switch now before 10 was killed off. Life is good indeed.
Linux - where life is good. Until it’s not.
I have been happy as a Linux user for more than ten years now. Never looked back. I use Trisquel.
What is the big difference always thought about it switching but I am a Windows user since 95. I don’t want to have something where it requires effort. I play on the computer and relax and thats it. How many programs feature the linux option? Is there like a video I can learn about the difference? I just like my point and double click.
Try a live USB, lets you boot into a linux flavour without needing to install it (plus has handy buttons to start a real install if you desire).
I procrastinated moving to linux for pretty much the same reason. I hated windows more and more with each passing day but wasn’t excited about the part of the learning curve where I was even less effective using linux than I was at using windows.
But I was pleasantly surprised to find I didn’t have to go through that stage at all. The same “discover settings” works for customizing (but it’s better because linux devs don’t have any metrics pushed on them by marketing or MBAs who think user goodwill and patience is infinite when they are “captured”, leading to hidden or buried settings so most users just go with what MS wants).
Setup was easier, though deceptively so because I wasn’t expecting the answer to “gpu drivers?” to be “already installed” and was skeptical until I had a game running. I did do a bunch of reading during the process but could have just used the defaults for most things and kinda regret some where I didn’t (like snapshots are probably worth the disk space they use).
But the best part is that I haven’t had to go on little “ok why the fuck is this <back to the default setting/behaving differently/addressing me without my prompting or a reason worthy of my PC interrupting me>?” adventures and wade through outdated MS help forum posts where if the problem was solved, it wasn’t by the useless MS rep that seems to be struggling just to understand the words being used (indicated by copy/pasting anything that is vaguely related as a response, rather than actually addressing the question) to either figure out how to force it or give up until the next time it annoys me enough to search again.
I haven’t had a single imaginary “it’s my fucking computer, not yours” argument since switching and wish I had just tried sooner because it was way less friction than expected.
Even Windows has its moments, bad updates fuck you over a bit.
Most distros just install and work. If you take a 1-2+ year-old system and let Linux wipe it, most of them will just kinda work. Brand new hardware is always dicey, it’s better to buy last years model. Steam and web browsers do what you’ll expect. Updates just work. Steam games are generally doable; you just have to flip a switch in Steam to use emulation. The big exception on games is stuff with kernel-level anti-cheat. Valorant, Fortnite, PUBG, Genshin Impact.
Now, if you start using hardware that needs custom apps, RBG controllers, custom webcam controls, If you used nvidia broadcasting suite, outlook, photoshop, Then, you’ll find the effort. You need to find alternatives or try to run stuff in wine, and learning new apps is work and feels bad everything will feel like a downgrade.
Replacing hardware can also be dicey. Solutions are generally not all that bad, but definintely can turn into work.
If you just need some steam and a web browser, you almost can’t go wrong, if you want to emulate every inch of what you were doing in windows outside of that, you’re likely to have to work for it.
Most Linux distributions nowadays are all “point and click” (as in you don’t have to use the command line if you don’t want.) and they do pretty much everything Windows does. With some minor exceptions like some games that don’t run on Linux.
If you’re interested in Linux, you can boot from it without installing to try it out. Nearly every distribution has a live boot option.
As for differences, the entire OS is different, but with something like KDE, it’s still very much “point and click”. You don’t need to be a programmer to use it. This is especially true if you run most things through a browser.
The biggest disadvantage is program compatibility. Windows applications need translation layers for Windows apps to run on Linux and they don’t always work. Many application makers, including people like Steam for gaming, have full Linux support (all of Valve’s hardware like the Steam deck runs Linux).
If you want to try it out in a non-live way with a “safety net”, you can run a dual boot with both Windows and Linux and choose between them at boot. Or you can install Windows in a VM and run your Windows-specific programs until you find Linux alternatives.
It’s a bit of work, but it truly frees your PC. I made the switch from Windows to Linux first with a dual boot…then only Windows for VR, and now I’ve got everything on Linux. I haven’t booted into Windows on any of my PCs in 4+ years at this point and I couldn’t be happier.
That said, use what works for you. If that’s Windows or MacOS, that’s fine. Just know the advantages and disadvantages.
Alright, I have a ton of Windows 10 machines, a couple OSX machines, and a few Linux machines for various purposes. Don’t let anyone here fool you—Linux is great, I’ve really enjoyed it, but NO distributions of Linux are easy, effortless, and just /work/. They ALL require some heady maintenance, they all WILL run into issues more than Windows or OSX, they WILL require a lot more learning than Windows or OSX, and there are programs that won’t run on Linux (or are prohibitively difficult to get working on Linux.)
Still, I have been loving Linux. I refuse to get Windows 11 EVER, so I’m now using Windows 10 LTSC IoT on all of my video game computers. If you want a computer that you turn on and click buttons and games appear on screen and work great, Windows is for sure the only way to go. That’s why all of my video game machines are Windows.
I don’t have a video for ya unfortunately, all of my Linux learning is through forums, documentation, and bouncing ideas off friends who know a lot more than me. There are some distros that are very user-friendly and “just work” great out of the box, but no matter what you do, they WILL require special maintenance. You will find programs or games you want to run that just don’t. There’s often alternatives, and in my experience, the alternatives are always free which is cool.
I think for your use case (and my use case for playing games), Windows is still the way to go. If you can get Windows 10 LTSC IoT and crack it (and run something like OOSU10 to turn off all the spyware you can,) you’re good for almost a decade!
(honorary shoutout to OSX—Lemmy overall hates Apple, but fuck em. There’s a reason every dev and programmer I know have an OSX machine, most of them using it for their main work machie. OSX is rock solid and works incredibly, and Apple’s hardware is acutally good for the price now unlike the mid 2000s when they were insanely overpriced for what you get. You can get an M4 mac for 500-600USD and they’re insanely efficient and powerful… Just NOT for games, my Steam library on my OSX computer is extremely limited compared to Linux or Windows.)
They ALL require some heady maintenance, they all WILL run into issues more than Windows or OSX, they WILL require a lot more learning than Windows or OSX,
You will run into issues with any computer. OSX is the worst of them all, it drives me crazy.
It is somewhat hardware dependent that is for sure. My cheap $400 new laptop is perfect. There is nothing to do, for over two years now. Everything just works. The gaming laptop on the other hand has a slight lag on audio that I had to do some work with due to a hardware device that wants to sleep when there is no input.
In general though: for all the time wasted waiting for windows to actually do things, and for all the stupid shit windows pulls that I have to fix, I use Linux because it is the most reliable and stable. By far. I need it to be able to get to work, where I remote in and manage windows machines that are a pain in the ass.
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Until it is not should be the motto
Heyo yeee also on Linux… And Windows 10… And OSX lawl. I gotta have em all for different things!
Pretty sure Mozilla has the numbers on how many installations each OS has, so it’s probably a legitimate decision. HOWEVER, if they want to maintain their position on Linux, I highly recommend changing the default behavior of Ctrl+Shift+C to match how it works in Helium, where it simply copies the selected content instead of opening Developer Mode, which cannot be closed again using the same keystroke.
You can change that in about:keyboard in the new Firefox versions
Absolutely, all behavior can be changed somehow. But the default defines the product :)
Ah the classic Linux community response to any complaint.
- The default either actively ignores what every other software does or purposely uses something other than everything else for no apparent reason.
- Someone brings up the fact that it makes no sense why it’s different and how it makes the user experience worse.
- Someone else recommends a half baked solution that still doesn’t really solve the problem and doesn’t address the fact that the specific weirdness being default is the issue. So it ignores the actual complaint and only provides a half solution.
- Nothing is ever done to address the issue and it remains for decades constantly annoying new users and being one of thousands of small issues that turn potential curious new users away as they accumulate.
Proposing a fix is better than no fix? I didn’t know it was possible, and now I’m looking into it.
Changing the default is a social issue, so of course it’s more difficult than changing one’s current setting.
The fuck you want us to do about it? We don’t have commit access to firefox’s codebase.
Why is that persons response considered the community response?
Ive been using Linux for 20 years so… Can we change that shortcut please?
Interesting. And yet it’s still incomplete. F6 and Alt+D both do the same thing (focus the address bar), so there’s at least one line missing and definitely at least one column.
I doubt they’ll change that, since Ctrl+Shift+C also opens the dev console on chromium based browsers on Windows (just tried it with Chrome and Edge). Not sure if that’s the behavior on Linux, since I only use Firefox there.
Also, I really doubt that Ctrl+Shift+C behavior is going to factor into people’s decision anyway. That’s a very niche problem to have.
Can confirm ctrl-shift-c opens dev console
I keep mixing up the shortcuts because ctrl-shift-c is copy in the KDE terminal
This behavior isn’t unique to KDE’s Konsole; many others share it. Since
Ctrl + Cperforms an entirely different function in most Linux terminals/shells, Firefox’s default behavior feels out of place. It’s admittedly a niche problem, but to me, it looks like an ‘alien’ in the Linux world.Also incentivizes people to not use it.
Unless Google’s search AI lied to me (and surely it would never do that) this is all Apple’s fault anyway. They are the one’s that highjacked Ctrl+c for the copy function.
Unfortunately, that has become ingrained now everywhere other than the Linux terminal. And as Gui interfaces have improved over the years, average users are spending less time there, and Ctrl+shift+c has become the option that feels out of place.
But copy is Command+C on macOS and iOS, not Ctrl+C. Maybe in the Classic Mac OS days, but I doubt they would’ve made such a significant change moving to OS X.
Yeah potentially it would be easier/more concise if I’d adjust my terminal/shell to remap the
crtl+c , crtl +shift +cbehavior instead of demanding the whole world revert a decision made in the last century.
What’s wrong with Ctrl+C to copy? Its the default shortcut on pretty much everything except terminals.
Whats wrong with using the metric system to represent quantities? Its the default on pretty much everything except fueling planes or operating satellites. /s
The conflict arises from having two different defaults for the same action. Since users frequently switch between these environments, the lack of a universal shortcut causes constant friction.
The key issue is that the request is to change behavior in one place (browser) to match that of a rare case (terminal), causing a mismatch with the frequent case (office suites, mail programs, …). The terminal is the odd one out, not the browser, and ought be the one to change the default for the reason you provide.
In practice, a terminal is a special case and not just a text input window, and current convention is that Ctrl + C aborts / cancels.
(You could of course have a duplicate hotkey, but now you are inconsistent w.r.t. other browsers, and there will be someone else who will be annoyed by the difference)
Why?
Yeah the person who put Developer Mode on that shortcut… Must have never used linux.
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it was bullshit when they ended support for XP, and now I have to find alternatives on 7!!?
fuck you Mozilla, you just lost a customer!
Calm down, XP was 13 years old when it was retired. It lived a long, happy life. And Windows 7 was released seventeen years ago.
Using either OS in 2026 is extremely dangerous and stupid. Please switch to Linux.
Forgot the /s mate
Funny how often people get downvoted to hell here for posts that are obviously sarcasm.
I don’t get it.
/s stands for sarcasm, which is what I think you wanted to say.
Because its really hard to expect anyone to understand if you are joking or not in text form.
ok, I can’t keep stringing you along because I feel like you’re literally not getting the sarcasm.
yes, it was sarcasm.
no, I didn’t forget it.
still don’t understand? read the meme.
You need to be clear with things like this.
I am literally unable to understand sarcasm.
if you’re serious pls update your shit it’s time to move on big bro
I run all my systems on XP and 7. I don’t like all this techno AI bullshit.
my whole work laptop is from 2002 and runs XP just fine!
Then upgrade to Linux.
lol how much have you been paying them?
at least $25 a month for the past year!
they won’t get another dime from me, that’s for sure.
If you’re still using those old and bugged versions then you probably don’t care about unpatched software. Big security issues. Hope no one is using them.
Honestly surprised to learn that they were still supporting 7-8.1 until now.
Microsoft did as well - 8.1 still had official ESU support, and as Server 2008 R2 had paid extended support and as it shared a kernel with Vista & 7 you could use those to keep your system updated as well. IIRC both ended January this year.
NGL, I have Win 7 on a Mac that I play old as hell PC games with and FF has been a disaster on it for a long time - to the point where I get most of the downloads of games and the various drivers they need with the macOS install…
Get on Linux anyway. You have no privacy whatsoever on Windows.
However, if you (like me) have to dual-boot, remember that O&O ShutUp can help you easily turn off Windows’ insidious tracking measures and delete Copilot off your system.
I don’t recommend dual-boot on the same disk. Windows likes to fuck up the bootmanager with updates every so often so you can’t boot into linux anymore.
True but it’s an easy fix. If you can set up a dual boot you can fix the boot order.
I would do anything for Firefox to stop making a new audio sink for every tab that plays audio. Of course Chromium lets you have just one sink, so I’m just going to blame Firerox’s implementation of HTML5
The advantage there is that one tab can’t crash the others.
Fair enough.
With the list if old Windows vulnerabilities so extensive Firefox could simply just install Linux for such users.
Most of them (I assume such VMs don’t use browsers) would just click [Agree] and then [Next] a few times, never knowing what was it about, maybe not even noticing any differences.
So, basically Microsoft’s “we know what’s best for you” style? No. Fuck that, no matter the purpose.
I was joking.
I added the “/s” to be extra clear.
I didn’t think of anyone taking that statement seriously (like how wound it even work?).Apologies. I’ve seen weirder shit proposed recently. 2025 has severely damaged my sensors responsible for detecting irony, sarcasm and satire.
As for “how would it work”: on systems as old as Win 7, it would be trivial to escalate privileges and install all kinds of shit.
I do agree with you, I could have written it significantly better (in my brainhole the notion of a browser/browser dev installing you an OS bcs it would mean less work for them was just funny, but I failed in communicating it).
Also lol, yeah, 2025 did a number on irony/nutty theories/near future predictions. 2026 is no better, like whym there aren’t any HDDs left, what kind of worldwide catastrophe hit Earth & caused that??
The install bit - so getting through admin Win would prob be easy (that was the og joke), then the code would have to partition the disk (ok), install Hannah Montana Linux (ok), but then also reboot to that partition - can that be done without Grub on a primary boot partition or the user accessing BIOS?
can that be done without Grub on a primary boot partition or the user accessing BIOS?
I was assuming you’d just write GRUB onto the primary disk and set Hannah Montana Linux (lol, excellent choice of distro!) as the only boot option (because who needs os-prober and a selection timeout when you’ve got the best of distros on disk, amirite?).
I suppose the most problematic part is the partitioning you handwaved as “ok”. Afair, Windows does not allow for live-resizing of the system partition (as it should). But I suppose there are ways around that, particularly if you’ve got another drive or spare partition of adequate size. (OEM recovery partitions come to mind; as much as 10 GB can be enough for a viable Linux system partition.)
Oh, your are right, I always resized partitions with Knoppix or (something with) GParted (Live).
Perhaps there is a way to use Windows partition without any reformat, reboot into the same partition but in Linux, finish installing the rest of the packages & clean up Windows file.
I’ll open a ticket with Mozilla.
Hannah Montana, Knoppix… a man of culture I see…
I’ll open a ticket with Mozilla.
…who wants to see the world burn!
You know there is some dude the thought removing the /s would make that a valid suggestion.
Thought virus’ are real.
New Firefox plugin incoming (“Download more RAM on your Windows 7 machine”).
I switched to Ubuntu and I regret it. I cannot for the life of me JellyFin to work. That was my main reason for getting a laptop. I use VLC to access media from my laptop to my TV now, but JellyFin was a dream and now I can’t get it to work.
Post your issue on !jellyfin@lemmy.ml. That community is starved for new posts.
I have that instance blocked.
The most active community is !jellyfin@poweruser.forum.
Thank you. I will try here.
Are you sure? It has 105 subscribers and all of 3 posts. (The most recent one was from ~10 months ago)
The latest post is 17 days ago. Looks like another instance defederated from yours.
Ahh, thanks 🙃
How are you trying to run Jellyfin? What part isn’t working for you?
I have it as a Docker container in Ubuntu and it works perfectly. The only trick was I had to find jellyfin’s internal docker IP address to do the initial Jellyfin server setup steps.
I set it up and the server has no files in it. I log in on the TV and the browser, but I need see the files on the TV.
Did you your library? It was confusing for the first time for me as well, but Jellyfin requires you to synchronise your library if you add or remove files.
Yeah, I tried that. No luck.
Files? You pick the media from the library, files are abstracted away.
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I would guess you have an issue with your docker volume or bind mount then, assuming you built it as a Docker container?
No, honestly I’m not even clear what a docker is.
Then I’m not sure what advice we can give you without knowing more about how you installed it and how the file structure and Jellyfin libraries are linked
Docker is basically similar to a flatpak: you download a package via Docker and it will practically do everything for you, so you only have to take care of the config file, if even needed.
I like this. Do you have a DL link for it?
I haven’t tried Docker Desktop as the other poster mentioned but I use a similar GUI interface called Cosmos Cloud to manage Docker. It integrates a “market” of easily installable docker apps, graphic interface for managing/updating the containers, internal port management and optional reverse proxy/url management for external access, plus a few more advanced features like VPN and OIDC SSO.
It probably overkill for just Jellyfin but if you’ve been considering trying out other self-hosted services I highly recommend it.Standalone installation is the day to go: https://cosmos-cloud.io/docs/index/
The easiest way is Docker Desktop, though I myself installed only the docker engine itself, which still was pretty easy to do. I did that because I had a dedicated server with no GUI. It does require to add the reposity though, but the documentation is pretty straightforward to follow.
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Try docker compose rather than locally if you are struggling.
I did try a docker install. I’m not exactly the most savvy Linux user.
Why are you trying to run jellyfin server from a laptop?
Also make sure ufw isn’t getting in the way. Wouldn’t be shocked if Ubuntu keeps that enabled for security.
Kubuntu has it off by default, user needs to enable it, I would guess it is the same in Ubuntu
I don’t want to run a server all the time, just when I want to watch movies. I’ll try to disable UFW and see if that works. Why would UFW block the 8096 port and not the VLC media server?
Ah assumed when you said VLC, you where just plugging the laptop into the TV via HDMI or something.
I also read you mentioned you where able to login but not see files, so wrong route to go down.
I gave access to all the files. My next try is going to be the Ubuntu Firewall. I’ll disable that and try again. Also, I couldn’t get VLC to work until I changed the files name from “Movies” to “Watch”. For some reason it won’t work with the filename “Movies”. Maybe it’s the same with JellyFin.
Plenty are running home servers from laptops, especially here on the fediverse that’s not unheard of… It should not make any difference what hardware he’s running for jellyfin. Still honestly not a pleasant experience to get it to run from what I recall.
Oh yeah no I’ve seen as home servers with a built in UPS. Their usecase sounded like they where using their daily driver laptop though.
Highly energy efficient as well.
I’m no OS fanatic… I run dozens of rhel servers at work, few windows ones, make music on Mac and play on steamOS and keep a windows on a box due to hardware limitations on music instruments.
So I’m no stranger to Linux.
With that in mind some packages are more of a pain to setup than others… and that one is not a good memory. I rolled back to plex in the end…
On Linux. Still. Its names like these encouraging people to switch that help the switch along.
