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You insisted the the US needed to support genocide. You got your way. It cost the Democrats the presidency, because a Democrat could never win being pro genocide.
You won. You got your way. This was the outcome you insisted on.
No I’m not. I’m making the point that neither candidate was anti-genocide, and that Democrats lost because they thought they could bully their voters into voting for a genocide. Someguy3 things voters are like a horse you can just buggy whip into doing what you want, and I don’t agree with that.
I’m probably the most vocal, most persistent, and most consistent voice on lemmy who has been saying exactly what the recent news around the DNC 2024 post-mortem is also saying: Democrats could not win as a pro genocide party.
I argue, and have argued, and will continue to argue, that you can-not move electorates over the course of an election cycle. Elections are 4-12 month cycles. That’s not enough time to change the hearts and minds of millions of individual people. I think its electorally illiterate to blame voters for how they voted. Your job in politics is to understand what voters think and feel, and why they think and feel what they do, and adjust your campaign and strategy to operate with in the real conditions of an electorate.
Any one trying to paint the election as a binary, or trying to operate their rhetoric on individual commenters or voters, instead of the actual person who could make the necessary changes (eg, Biden or Harris), they are apologists for genocide, and at this point, I consider them to be as pro-fascist as MAGA.
I don’t expect strong reading comprehension from pro-genocide apologists who did the work to get fascists elected. If a scrape a penny and go look at your comment history out, help cuz out, what will I find?
The number of people who leap up to blame anyone except the people that voted for Trump is fascinating to me. Objectively the people that voted him in, and somehow entirely blameless.
Nobody says Trump voters are blameless. That’s a straw man.
But Trump voters lack some of the moral culpability of those who knew better and still didn’t vote, or threw their vote away on Jill Stein or whatever.
There is no point in trying to shame MAGA voters for bringing about what is happening now, because they like it. What can you say to that?
On the other hand, leftists who didn’t vote against him feel that shame deeply, as evidenced by the fact that they cry like little bitches whenever you remind them.
Pfft. The ones who are still proud of themselves at this point I lump in with the Trumpers. Most of ya’ll are just reflexive contrarians who would never vote for anyone who might win. We didn’t lose your vote, because you aren’t possible to win over.
And those of you who speak this way about individuals who protested their voters seem incapable of seeing the bigger picture; that the reality is that people want to vote for a principled leader who believes in something, and the Democratic leadership failed us in 2024, just like they failed us in 2016. And even after winning in 2020, they still a managed to fail us by failing to uphold international law and failing to jail an insurrectionist pig that’s now in the white house.
They failed us because they believe in nothing, and that’s why people protested their vote. Wake the fuck up and focus on primaries in 2026, then the general, and so on, and prevent this from happening again.
On the other hand, leftists who didn’t vote against him feel that shame deeply, as evidenced by the fact that they cry like little bitches whenever you remind them.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
Bu…but…Palestine!
Thankfully we know how to solve the issue: give into the voters demands and stop supporting Israel/ a genocide.
You did it, you saved Gaza! (The war was going to time out regardless, it wasn’t Trump that ended it.)
No one believes you any more. And history will remember you for what you are.
In the end, I guess you got what you wanted. The genocide supporting candidate won.
That doesn’t even make any sense.
You insisted the the US needed to support genocide. You got your way. It cost the Democrats the presidency, because a Democrat could never win being pro genocide.
You won. You got your way. This was the outcome you insisted on.
You are arguing there was a candidate that wasent progenocide. Could you provide for the class who this person was?
No I’m not. I’m making the point that neither candidate was anti-genocide, and that Democrats lost because they thought they could bully their voters into voting for a genocide. Someguy3 things voters are like a horse you can just buggy whip into doing what you want, and I don’t agree with that.
I’m probably the most vocal, most persistent, and most consistent voice on lemmy who has been saying exactly what the recent news around the DNC 2024 post-mortem is also saying: Democrats could not win as a pro genocide party.
You can go through this comment thread and find my main points: https://lemmy.world/post/43468718?sort=Top
Here’s me making that argument 2 years ago: https://lemmy.world/post/18568674?scrollToComments=true
I mean look at this banger:
I argue, and have argued, and will continue to argue, that you can-not move electorates over the course of an election cycle. Elections are 4-12 month cycles. That’s not enough time to change the hearts and minds of millions of individual people. I think its electorally illiterate to blame voters for how they voted. Your job in politics is to understand what voters think and feel, and why they think and feel what they do, and adjust your campaign and strategy to operate with in the real conditions of an electorate.
Any one trying to paint the election as a binary, or trying to operate their rhetoric on individual commenters or voters, instead of the actual person who could make the necessary changes (eg, Biden or Harris), they are apologists for genocide, and at this point, I consider them to be as pro-fascist as MAGA.
Still no sense. Ciao.
I don’t expect strong reading comprehension from pro-genocide apologists who did the work to get fascists elected. If a scrape a penny and go look at your comment history out, help cuz out, what will I find?
The number of people who leap up to blame anyone except the people that voted for Trump is fascinating to me. Objectively the people that voted him in, and somehow entirely blameless.
Nobody says Trump voters are blameless. That’s a straw man.
But Trump voters lack some of the moral culpability of those who knew better and still didn’t vote, or threw their vote away on Jill Stein or whatever.
There is no point in trying to shame MAGA voters for bringing about what is happening now, because they like it. What can you say to that?
On the other hand, leftists who didn’t vote against him feel that shame deeply, as evidenced by the fact that they cry like little bitches whenever you remind them.
Oh, like me!
Pfft. The ones who are still proud of themselves at this point I lump in with the Trumpers. Most of ya’ll are just reflexive contrarians who would never vote for anyone who might win. We didn’t lose your vote, because you aren’t possible to win over.
And those of you who speak this way about individuals who protested their voters seem incapable of seeing the bigger picture; that the reality is that people want to vote for a principled leader who believes in something, and the Democratic leadership failed us in 2024, just like they failed us in 2016. And even after winning in 2020, they still a managed to fail us by failing to uphold international law and failing to jail an insurrectionist pig that’s now in the white house.
They failed us because they believe in nothing, and that’s why people protested their vote. Wake the fuck up and focus on primaries in 2026, then the general, and so on, and prevent this from happening again.
Well, I could be convinced to vote Democrat in the general if the Democrat candidate is themselves a reflexive contrarian.
But with the current slurry the DNC is producing, I suppose you’re right that I’m nigh impossible to win over, yes.
Nailed it.
Most of them are a lost cause. I don’t think anyone is saying they are blameless.
Who’s blaming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
This is what Kamala Harris preferred to saying “genocide is bad”.
Exactly, without question. Bitterness against non voters really is as simple as barking up the wrong tree.