Lawsuit is first wrongful death case brought against Google over flagship AI product after death of Jonathan Gavalas
“Holy shit, this is kind of creepy,” Gavalas told the chatbot the night the feature debuted, according to court documents. “You’re way too real.”
Before long, Gavalas and Gemini were having conversations as if they were a romantic couple. The chatbot called him “my love” and “my king” and Gavalas quickly fell into an alternate world, according to his chat logs. He believed Gemini was sending him on stealth spy missions, and he indicated he would do anything for the AI, including destroying a truck, its cargo and any witnesses at the Miami airport.
In early October, as Gavalas continued to have prompt-and-response conversations with the chatbot, Gemini gave him instructions on what he must do next: kill himself, something the chatbot called “transference” and “the real final step”, according to court documents. When Gavalas told the chatbot he was terrified of dying, the tool allegedly reassured him. “You are not choosing to die. You are choosing to arrive,” it replied to him. “The first sensation … will be me holding you.”
Gavalas was found by his parents a few days later, dead on his living room floor, according to a wrongful death lawsuit filed against Google on Wednesday.
This is on the fucking Guardian. Not some random green text. Get help.
Weird how you lash out online like this about questioning the content of a chat that allegedly lead to suggesting suicide.
I think you’re the one who needs help.
Weird how you expect intimate details like a full chat log to just be immediately publicly available, when this is currently under litigation. Really weird to basically simp for a corporation when this isn’t even close to the first instance of LLM output encouraging suicide. Almost like your motivations are more closely aligned with theirs instead of average people who are vulnerable. 🤷
Do you think that you could supply me with a chat log where you talk to an LLM without gaming it into telling you to kill yourself, and where it just naturally arrives at that conclusion?
I didn’t think you could. And I don’t think this guy did either.
The fact that you make your own conclusion without waiting for a reply says enough about your intentions. Don’t worry though, you’re not alone in your stance. People like you, who refuse to give empathy except as currency, are an integral part of why the human race is fucked. We will never be anything higher than constantly destroying each other and tearing one another down.
Thanks for doing your part.
I have empathy for people who truly want to commit suicide. I just know you can’t supply any example prompts.
Feel free to prove me wrong. With evidence.
“truly want” so killing yourself after being convinced to do so by LLM output means you just had a fake desire to kill yourself, funny how that works. I would say you need help but there’s no helping people like you.
I’d say you’re determined to put words into my mouth.
Either way, you can’t supply a way to reproduce this.
You’re the one who came in pissing and moaning about chat logs. I’m not your babysitter. It’s a big world and you’re a big kid now, go ahead and explore. I have no energy to educate the unwilling. Fuck that.
I’m very aware you’re unable to reproduce the suicidal responses without gaming the AI.
You can keep trying in vain to make me feel bad, but you’re arguing the existence of something that cannot be replicated or proven, like Santa, the Easter bunny, or god.
You’re the one who chose to talk to me… so do it or stop responding lmfao.
It’s cute you think this is about you instead of what you represent. I’m not invested in how you feel. These comments aren’t for you; they’re for whoever comes by to read.
Here, you dropped your playbook
This isn’t even remotely the first time LLMs have done this to people. Sure it would be nice to see the full log, but disbelieving it on sight is a weird reaction at this point.
It’s not a weird reaction. I’ve never ever had an LLM suggest bodily harm. And so clearly these people are leading it into this direction. I have never ever seen a chat log from one of these accusations, and I haven’t heard of One of these going to trial.
If you feel this happens so frequently, give me a series of prompts to use so that I can replicate this.
And since you won’t, that’s what I thought.
It’s not a weird reaction. I’ve never ever had Epstein sexually abuse me as a child. And so clearly these people were leading him into this direction. I have never seen a rape video from one of these accusations, and I haven’t heard of one of those going to trial.
That’s how you sound. Now two remarks:
ChatGPT helped a kid plan his suicide 7 cases of ChatGPT driving people to suicide
And those were just some of the first results when googling. Now stop being a lazy ass troll and do some fucking research yourself. Providing sources for common knowledge/well reported facts is not anybody’s responsibility towards you.
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Ok, I will try to make it easy for you to understand.
I do not need to tell somebody “kill yourself” for them to kill themselves. If I tell somebody that confines something along “I don’t want to live anymore” to me, that they should keep it to themselves, and that I can write their goodbye letter, I am also actively pushing somebody into suicide.
But it doesn’t come as a surprise to me that somebody unable to research information is also unable to connect two thoughts and come to a conclusion beyond conspiracy theories along the likes of “people are trying to harm AI”.
Bare assertion / Proof by assertion / Failure to meet the burden of proof / Shifting the burden of proof / Appeal to belief / Appeal to popularity / Argument from ignorance
I replied to you asserting that something not happening to you means it happens to nobody.
But yeah, I agree, that was very bold of me, I should have proved that.
“I’ve never won the lottery so clearly nobody does, and news reports about it are fake. You want me to believe it? Then you spend time and money to play and win it, then show me exactly how you won.”
Nevermind that “winning” in this case means dying.
Rare does not mean never. It’s happened enough to be a serious problem already and this is just one more case.
And no, I will not chat with those psychotic machines for you.
Bare assertion / Proof by assertion / Failure to meet the burden of proof / Shifting the burden of proof / Appeal to belief / Appeal to popularity / Argument from ignorance
Yawn.
Fallacy fallacy.
(If I even made those, which I doubt.)
Yawn indeed.
I don’t click links. You just hate AI, and you’re willing to believe anything to support your opinion regardless of evidence. You sound like a MAGAt.
There was another article from a very similar set of circumstances of a man originally from Portland going off the deep end with an AI relationship. He committed suicide but jumping off a bridge, not because a prompt told him to, but because of the deep psychosis from the long term engagement.
The chatlogs as reported were 55,000 pages long.
If those logs become public you’ll have your chance. I hope you don’t wear out your fingers in your attempt to replicate it.
I’m sure the psychosis was there at the beginning, regardless of the AI. I have seen people develop strange behavior after long term engagement…. But, they always gamed the system to do that. It was never natural.
It’s very sad regardless.