IOS users hate Windows. Linux users hate Microsoft.
I don’t hate Microsoft, I hate nonfree software. I happily use free software developed by Microsoft, eg VSCodium.
I even avoid that, because of their EEE past. Also because if I’m going to run something as heavy as VSCodium, I might as well run Jetbrains IDEs which I personally find more ergonomic. Nonfree software, sure, but I like them as a company generally.
I like the JetBrains IDEs too from a purely practical perspective, but I would still rather use FOSS VSCodium than a nonfree JetBrains IDE. Those that are FOSS are a different story.
MS has apparently added AI to vscode… and it’s apparently a pain to, uh, extricate.
I switched to Linux because I hate Windows. I also dislike Microsoft, but I would have tolerated them like I tolerate my health insurance company if they didn’t make the UX increasingly terrible.
I could have installed iOS but Linux is more reliable for gaming afaik, and iOS may start enshittifying at any moment.
On what device were you going to install iOS in?
on my laptop yk
Me being an iOS user and Linux user be like
When I can finally get a Motorola Graphene phones, iOS is gone.
Idk if it’s going to be signed then. If it is and graphene passes at least some layers of the BS Play Integrity API, then it would be perfect
Doesn’t play integrity make you feel “safer”?
But I mean, really, it’s all in what software you use. I used iOS with Linux for a while with KDE and KDE Connect along with Tailscale to connect the two with amazing results. Its not all bad. I like Android + Linux better, but iOS + Linux is definitely doable, at least it’s not iOS + Windows.
See, I like iOS because it integrates with my work laptop of a MacBook Pro. I don’t need to fiddle with my phone anymore and all texts just come through my laptop.
But also, I like tinkering/programming stuff on my time. iOS just works for the most part.
But it would be nice to not be giving money to corpo tech.
Same
I’m an iOS user too. I’d switch the day there’s a nice little Android smartphone that’s compatible with a Google-free OS (and by “little,” I mean under 5.8 inches, I don’t have giant hands).
My bank has a website I can use to bank through, I dont even need an app.
The whole issue with banking apps must seem strange to people in some countries, and make perfect sense to people in other countries. My whole country rely on a 2FA app made by the banks. It’s in every aspect of society. Buying a bus ticket, booking a time for health care, doing taxes, applying for an apartment, signing contracts, all done with the same banking app. Only people with stallmanesque convictions manage without, with lots of effort. So far that app works on e/os/ and GrapheneOS, but not regular desktop Linux.
hack your banking app, steal all your money and your identity. yikes.
sad part all of this would be fixed with well documented open standard API, that all banks have to comply with and 2fa of the users choice…
Oh, that’s a terrifying single point of failure.
I agree, and it’s run by private companies who could just shut it down or use it in evil ways. Our government is maybe making a state owned solution, but it will take time.
If you’re in Sweden you’ll be glad to know Sverige-ID is coming this December.
Aha, didn’t know that, thanks. I hope it will work with free operating systems.
2FA is the opposite of a single point of failure though. In order to impersonate you someone has to have access to your authentication device and your master password. There are no passwords to remember or get leaked/stolen, and you still have traditional identification and a physical backup in the form of codes or an authentication device.
In Sweden it’s like a minute of your time to set up a new phone, or at worst a trip to the bank if you lost your authenticator.
It also has a screen showing what information or authorization is being requested so that it’s much harder to get scammed.
I meant single point of failure as in, if the service gets interrupted you’re locked out of alot of shit you need until it comes back up.
The trade offs may be worth it, because overall that seems pretty useful.
It’s a pain in the ass if you don’t have access for whatever reason, yeah. A lot of that could be alleviated by government policies though. I don’t think it should be legal for public services to refer you to their website or app when you’re asking for help in-person. There’s also no laws against businesses refusing cash, and the banks keep removing ATMs, so it’s getting harder to manage without relying on a phone. I like e-ID, but I don’t like removing traditional human interaction. Kind of like how I love 5G cellphones and hate that they keep removing services like landlines and 2G. Low-tech is vital sometimes.
I think they meant that the single app by all banks can go down through backend crash, buggy/malicious app update, etc.
I guess, but I’ve gone without BankID for about month previously. (It was my own fault for procrastinating multiple things.) You don’t need it; it’s just very convenient.
I’m having difficulty envisioning a malicious update. There’s a lot of transparency and regulations.
Ah right, that makes sense. If it were like upi or pix, and had single point of failure, it would have been scary.
This is terrible for disabled people.
I’m having trouble imagining how this makes anything more difficult than a traditional password setup. Can you please explain?
I know there’s issues surrounding its use, but solving those issues involves changing other policies, not getting rid of e-identification. For example, allowing someone to access their medical records in person instead of demanding they use the website, a problem which would persist with a username and password.
I recently got back to my country. They have e-id. I opened an account. Got paid. My phone broke. Signing up to the app requires a computer with an e-id reader. I use it once every couple of years. It took me ages to find one. Only to realize the stupid browser extension wasn’t working with linux. At the end I had to go to the stupid city hall. I’m disabled. I would rather use my personal passphrase. What seems easy to you may not be for everybody. I hate it here. Everything is bureaucratic, security first so that the already rich banker doesn’t loose 20 euros to fraudster, nothing it adapted, everything is loud and complicated and annoying.
What do people without smartphones (like the elderly) do?
They have smartphones, unless they are so old that they don’t need it.
Many of the elderly don’t know how to use their phones well, but most (from my experience, not actual data) can use BankID without issue because it’s simple to use. Before BankID they used much fussier code-based authenticators, so I think most people old enough to remember that are happy for modern convenience.
But a lot of web- and app-based services are less accessible for them. Finding out the bus times, navigating health services, and paying bills are often not available through traditional low-tech means. They also have the problem of not understanding why their old phone suddenly doesn’t work anymore. (They just took down the 2G network, for instance, and BankID no longer supports Android 9 and lower, if I’m remembering the right version.)
On most public transport nowadays it’s impossible to buy a ticket while boarding, but there isn’t so much as an automated ticket machine anywhere anymore. There are very nice customer service centers at central stations, but that doesn’t help the people trying to get to the central station.
There are a lot of problems, but I don’t think BankID is causing the most egregious ones. It’s a problem if you can’t access online banking because you can’t use the software to log in, but it’s even more of a problem if you don’t have the alternative of physical banking because society is cashless. It should be made more possible to live without digital services and smartphones even though I personally enjoy them.
Banks website works.
My bank uses 2fA where if used in a browser it wants me to scan a QR code on the screen with another app on my phone… I need a very complicated set of mirrors for that to work…
Get a different bank. That is rookie shit.
On the subject of banks, some cuntey banks only provide two options: app and in-person visits. So if you live out of state and the app doesn’t work for you on your version of Android, you’re fucked
Banks in my country don’t even do in person anymore. I hate these fucks
That’s so they can pass on the savings to you, right?
Right?
Yes, bankers are notoriously generous people who just like to give stuff for free
Linux users sampling self-hosting options
Linux: I run the bank
z/OS: No, you don’t.
I’m disabled. Android and iOS have terrible accessibility. And so do banks
Not surprising to see the genapos have bad take lmao
You make a lot of assumptions about me for someone who doesn’t know me.
I do. I’m your daddy.
My father’s been dead for years.
He killed himself minutes after he shot my mother.
Really?
Sorry about that, just wanted to pull your legs
Most bank apps work on Sailfish OS via Android App Support. Some don’t.
I literally don’t do any finance on my phone at all. This image is qualified
Linux user: “I hate Windows, because it’s a proprietary OS that got there through sabotage, goodwill from its user that it got on the honeymoon week of Windows 7, and is actively getting enshittified.”
iOS user: “I hate Windows, because the computers it is for don’t come with Gorilla Glass put on the screen, often are too heavy, and the installation of applications involve complicated steps, not just using the app store.”
Android users acting like their OS is open source while they use their OEM proprietary spice of it
No one anywhere is daily driving a fully Foss OS, unless you can find someone running a GNU+Linux RISC-V PC, and is using it daily (sitting in front of it with keyboard & mouse or handicap equivalent) in some sort of non-automated desktop use fashion. Also they can’t access like 99.9% of the web.
x86-64 instruction set is proprietary. ARM is proprietary. The drivers within your smart phone modem are proprietary (unless you are someone who is using mainline PostMarketOS, which I have high doubts about)
In this day and age we’re mostly doing harm reduction. Android is harm reduction compared to iOS, just as GrapheneOS is harm reduction compared to AOSP. Maybe some day in the gay space communism future we can have pure fully Foss devices, but until then, we are stuck with harm reduction.
I honestly spent like a week, outlining what I would need to build a FOSS phone, on RISCV.
current revision could do it. it would be a bit slow, but it’s possible…
all was good till I hit two hardware bottlenecks.
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GPU: unlike ARM which several manufacturers have 2d/3d accelerators. RiscV really doesn’t have that. all current implementations are primitive… (I have a Spacemit K1 SOC, I have been prototyping with and it’s entirely Vulkan based and stuck in mid stages of MESA development. so *Gl in Vulkan wrappers are broken… GUIs perform like a m68k machine from 1988…)
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this is the big one, Modems. there is only two suppliers and both are vendor locked. they won’t provide hardware to ANYONE without a contract. — this is why 5g USB/PCI-E modems don’t exist. there is a monopoly no one is talking about…
until these two points are addressed a foss phone is not possible. not even close. ~ even if you damage control on software (aosp) and some how convince amd/Intel to sell you chips for GPU on a PCIe lane sharing ram…
your still stuck on the modem. some one needs to get the ball rolling on a monopoly suit against the big two.
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Stop Patrick your scaring him.
iOS is just a more UNIX, better designed, Windows. Closed OS of American big tech. If you are choosing between those two masters, go for it. But if you don’t want to be a serf to US big tech, or want to get the most out of old hardware, come find FOSS. It’s a far healthlier relationship.
iOS is the iphone OS, which is extremely locked down
macOS (Apple’s desktop OS) is something completely different (although probably with similar internals)
It is composed of code derived from NeXTSTEP, FreeBSD[3] and other BSD operating systems
Which is why I sometimes call macOS “NonfreeBSD”
And Windows is “NonfreeBS”
PlayStations and god knows what is some closed BSD. Apple are not alone in eating the BSD free lunch and giving very little back for it. Kind of the point of the license. It’s why Linux took over in most places, you can’t just take because of the GPL.
On which handheld device do I run this majestic FreeBSD?
Oh you just know people has put NetBSD on a phone. Doubt it’s been done with a GUI though.
fun fact, the first smart phone, before the iPhone was built on a netbsd derived base. it had a dialer and contacts app.
but it was ofcourse just a prototype… there was a smart watch too, but it had a battery life in minutes, not hours/days lol
historically all early adoption attempts at mobile smart devices suffered from battery restrictions which killed them. they were both too early and too late. by the time battery tech was nearly ready, companies like Apple took advantage of market position to prevent competition, by getting suppliers of LCD and Battery technology excluvely locked to them…
what does iOS have to do with this, did you mean macOS?
iOS and Windows are not for the same use case, many people use both
That’s part of the humor to me. The iOS user chiming into a conversation they didn’t need to be a part of.
You are correct. But with a good number of people shifting from using traditional format computers to just their smartphones, there is a kernel of truth in the statement. Perhaps you sit at a desk and stare at spreadsheets or terminals to write code. I think this causes a certain bias among the tech cognisante in believing that everyone still owns a computer-- and many people still do. But there is a very great number of people that no longer own a traditional computer and don’t even want/can’t afford one. And many of them just own an iPhone for their basic everyday needs.
What I find scary that when I spent 4 years teaching math at my local school, many couldn’t use a mouse when faced with traditional computing tasks. And I needed to spend a class period teaching them how. If it doesn’t have touch screen they didn’t want to use it.
That’s just intellectually lazy, like not wanting to use a flight joystick or a ddr mat. Touch isn’t superior in all ways, it’s just a different way. For example, with a mouse, it’s wildly physically efficient, you can just rest your arm and wrist on the table and barely move and get tons of stuff done, quickly and PRECISELY, and virtually never get tired.
What age group(s) were the kids you were teaching? Were they gen alpha?
9-year-olds through 13-year-olds. So gen whatever we’re up to these days.
You need to understand that they start with iPads as young as 5 and use those until they are about 11 years old. And by 5th or 6th grade they get a smartphone. All touchscreen all the time. By 6th grade they get a Chromebook with a touch screen and touchpad. So by the time I needed them to use mouse, they not only had never used one, but a shocking number had ever seen one in real life, there was always one or two. That ain’t their fault. They quickly learn how to use one, but that didn’t mean they liked using one. They had spent short their life just not needing one. And for no small number of them, they won’t need one or ever need one unless they have a job that requires its use. It’s like if I handed you a space mouse and was upset you didn’t already know how to use it and program it. You probably don’t spend a good portion of your days at work using 3D CAD to design tooling up to complete manufacturing lines.
We get hung up on tech in this space and are shocked and surprised when we run into people that not only don’t share our love of tech, but really don’t much care. They got what works for them and don’t want anything more.
It’s like… Ironic luddite.
Yeah, maybe. But they might be the smart ones. What do you need a mouse for if you have no need?
They’re children. You can’t say if they’ll need a mouse or not. This is the math argument all over again: “I’m never gonna use __ ever”. That’s just bad logic. That you were/are a teacher and honestly presenting me with this level of argument is actually shocking.
Some of those kids are going to need to be engineers or writers or programmers or teachers or editors or whatever other productive members of society and not just ipad consumers.
Yes, systems will change. Yes, technology has so far enabled a lot of people to get by with only touch input. But even though a lot of stuff will change and the need for i/o like mouse and keyboard will shrink, unless we make some serious breakthroughs, there will still be a need.
“Why need a mouse when you have no need” the ape refuses fire because it has not needed it so far.
its the same logic I heard over “I don’t need a keyboard, I have a touch screen”. smh.
just because something is different to what you are used to, doesn’t make it bad…
now what is bad, is all these parents giving iPads and iPhones to kids under 13… fml, do they not realise how developmentally stunted it makes them.
they become obsessed with the feedback and can’t differentiate between “not getting feedback” and happiness. it’s a epidemic, all because they don’t want to deal with their kids interacting with them… if they don’t want them, dont have them…
Even more confusing that it is written in all caps like the OS of the Nintendo Wii.
Hahaha, who the fuck cares? Will Apple sue me if I write it wrong? Wait a minute…
I literally don’t know the difference.
Is iOS to Android as Windows is to Mac?
iOS is Apple’s operating system for phones and tablets, MacOS is Apple’s OS for desktops and laptops.
ios cleaely took inspiration from windows vista for the glass design
and vista very clearly took inspiration from apple’s aqua; this whole “apple liquid glass copied windows vista” argument is very stupid.
hardly. Aero seen it’s development start before aqua was a published design.
Aero appeared in MSDN builds a full 4 years before…
if anything its a ripoff of a old gnome 2/3 theme. I think it was called ice?
alot of that era was ripping off gnome and KDE ui designs… there was Portable Media Players using Linux kernels on arm hardware that predated the iPod and Zune by a full 3 years…
advertising and paid reviews on tv and magazines got you sales and buried everything back then…
you could steal the US president and hide it with a single fox news broadcast in 2009…
It was all Xerox if you go back far enough.
I have both lol
😒
Apple users are the OG Windows haters.
BSD was the OG windows haters. Apple was the OG ,“Let’s license hardware/software and call it our own”.
remember where Darwin comes from.
Apple has had operating systems long before OSX in 2001.
Apple is just a few years younger than Unix
Had to check, Unix was released 3 years before apple was founded. I’d have given a 5-10 years lead to Unix but no, about the same age.
Unix dates back to the 1960s. you have to count back to the BELL/AT&T days as it was available to educational institutions.
apple was still using BASIC on Thier first machines long after netbsd
Yea ‘68 for Unix, ‘75 for MS, ‘76 for Apple.
But really it’s ~’80 for both really getting started
More like the OG “shiny is better” users
All those shiny Apple 2’s, Macintoshs, Quadra’s, LC’s etc. super shiny beige plastic
Windows was less shitty in the 90s too
I wouldn’t know
no?
Yes
In the 90’s there entire mailing list and Apple paid advocates. Many in my generation used Apple computers in school and carried them forward, when I got to college there were Apple specific computer labs.
I’ve been using Apple computers since 1980, Linux really didn’t become mainstream and usable until the late 90’s
Linux didn’t exist until 1991. Though there may have been some people in the 80s who were used to Unixes running on workstations that thought that MS DOS and the Windows software was stupid. But who knows.
was plenty on the mailing lists and Berkley message boards to suggest they hated DOS at the time. mainly because it was being bundled with workstations despite all the effort to get it treated as a multi-user OS, when terminal sharing was still a thing and M$ still didn’t have a solution.
~ I’m old…
Yggdrasil was introduced in ‘92, Debian and Slackware ‘93 so it worked well enough in the early 90’s to be usable.
I didn’t really install Linux until ‘04ish so I have zero real world experience with early Linux, but it’s interesting to follow the Slackware forum on LQ to hear what the truly old school folks have to say.
Both macOS and Windows are the same thing: Proprietary garbage
I think macOS is more like quality garbage. There’s actual development happening there. It’s still garbage, but you know. It’s garbage that stray cats would eat
I wouldn’t feed it to strays. it’s like poisoned sausages that animal control uses. it looks and smells good, so the desperate fools think they can fill their starving bellies… only to get locked into a death spiral.
apple, google and Microsoft are all perfect examples of what happens when you mix a lack of ethics with people desperate for anything that isn’t junk.
Only one of them is UNIX.
only one of them /was/ based on Unix. a extremely stripped down, and proprietary modified version, with all the strong points removed as it made it Unix compatible…
also for the record, m$ did have a Unix variant once, with a UI. it wasn’t populare due to the lack of applications.
Apple spent a ton of money, paying developers to lock their apps to Thier ecosystem. even bundling them with systems…
both only became popular by stealing, manipulation and forcing companies into exclusivity deals. they are both monopolies of their own respective architectures.
You know, over the last few years, I’ve gained a begrudging respect for Apple. They really care about UX, Ui, build quality, OS efficiency, battery life, and they’re even the best value proposition at several price tiers. I main Fedora and GrapheneOS at home, yes, but I enjoy macOS and iOS at work. macOS has some of those key professional applications that haven’t made it to Linux yet.
Apple is a pretty easy 2nd place in most areas, 1st for laptops specifically. Windows & ChromeOS can fight for 3rd but they’re miles below macOS and Linux.
what are you talking about.
Ux/UI has slipped over the last decade.
build quality generation after generation got worse.
os efficiency, my iPad is TERRIBLE…
They actively sabotage old devices to make their performance and battery life /worse/ so it makes new devices feel better…
then you say “best value”. that’s some major copium. what value is there in a $2000 device with $180 worth of components, a locked down ecosystem that tracks everything you do, scans all your data and sabotages your applications…
I remember first gen iPhones. I had one. I still have lots of classic apple hardware. you are literally sounding like a apple care technician.
They got pretty bad in the mid to late 10s, but build quality is a lot better now. No iPhone bend-gate level stuff in a while.
This did happen. Supposedly they stopped after they got fined. You can say liquid glass is a less blatant version of that hidden as a feature, but as far as I can tell they don’t directly do the “slow down” button for new hardware. And if we’re going to talk bloat, Microsoft is far worse. Linux is holding out for us.
You can get an M5 Air for under a thousand bucks with an education discount, which isn’t verified. I’d go for the 24 GB RAM 512 storagw version which would bring you to 1200. Might be able to snag an M4 for even cheaper The Neo has a better chip than anything close to its price range of $500. You won’t be able to find better build quality OR specs for that price range, let alike both. Believe me, I remember when they were overpriced 2k Intel machines. They’re not that anymore, they’re the gold standard, and looking even better with how Windows laptop manufacturers have gotten so greedy. You can barely find anything at all decent for under 1k.
macOS is demonstrably better for privacy than Windows. Better than Linux? Of course not. Sabotaging apps? Huh?
At the end of the day, I try to get whoever I can convince to go to Linux. I try to convince whoever I can to get a desktop instead of a laptop, especially for gaming. But if they NEED a laptop, or if they NEED apps that aren’t on Linux, especially creative apps like Adobe and CAD, I’m sure not going to recommend Windows, from any perspective, hardware or software. So its going to be a Macbook.
Yet over here as someone who has used macOS professionally for over a decade, I feel like I’m watching the slow deterioration of the operating system as they ignore the wants and wishes of professional users and make the whole thing more and more like a mobile OS with every update.
And at the same time it feels like the number of bugs and broken features which Apple were historically careful to control are getting worse as they prioritise moving fast over being robust.
They are still outperforming Microsoft in every user-centric metric IMO (and by a long way) but the current trajectory absolutely feels like things are getting worse, not better.
100% this.
I used macos for over a decade, and kept getting Kore and more frustrated with the ui and ux decisions apple kept making. Now I use Linux on my computers and am so.much happier. Linux has its problems, but at least I can fix most of those problems. I’m not forced to use anything.
On my phone I use graphene os, and while I hate dome of the ui/ux of the base aosp, at least it’s not sucking up all my data.
yep, hardware became better. Software became worse
They moved their desktops to ARM, now they have a single architecture to maintain. It just makes sense to dumb it down so they can ship one OS for everything they make. After all, people will blindly buy it anyway.
It’s all just MacOS anyway so they just stopped shipping the x86 build it’s not really a great loss.
I am curious to know what features you’re referring to. I’m not saying they don’t exist, I’m relatively new to the Mac train after all and I tend to not be as plugged into the Apple community because uh…well you know. The only thing I’ve heard is some people not liking liquid glass for a potential performance hit, but I haven’t seen any tbh. They’re also dumping Rosetta soon but I think it’s been a reasonable enough amount of time.
For me it’s mostly small but annoying issues.
Wifi refusing to connect to some access points with no indication of why. Keyboard shortcut to change desktop spaces stops working when USB monitor is connnected. That sort of annoyance that never used to happen.
And then just the general direction of travel. More AI. Getting increasingly difficult to install unverified apps. User consent still seems to be there and things are usually opt in and not out (which is great) but the nudge towards cloud is just that bit stronger all the time, and every update I’m watching for shenanigans.
If you’re new to macOS and coming from Windows then everything probably seems pretty awesome in comparison - and it is - but I don’t have the same trust as I used to.
They spy on people, they lie, they’re a littéral cult
Source: i worked there
Could you elaborate please? I’m interested to know.
I meant more if you have knowledge about something that wasn’t publicly known. This was 7 years ago and got btfo’d, hence the article about the firings you posted. Also everyone I know turns off Siri because it is useless.
They got btfo’d and then 1 months later they hired the same people through some other contractors to do the exact same thing. I knew them well.
That’s known. Siri data is kept for entertainment and human labeling. It’s not like it was hidden, just read the damn privacy policy.
That’s not the problem. With the false positive they were hearing people during everyday interactions. I remember my colleague bothered by the fact they were hearing people having sex, talking about drugs, all the while with personal information written on screen.
Do you want some guy in Apple headquarter hears some random snippet of your life because you pronounced the word “Shiny” and the model messed up?
what bothers me more is them constantly scanning files and storing summaries/metadata for “law enforcement”.
could they be more like google… they already got the pretending they were doing no evil phase and going back on it done down pat.
I disabled that voice activation feature for this exact reason, but yea, what’s shitty is that people had not been clearly informed at all
and yet it will still listen, just not trigger. check wireguard…
Lol, did you miss the ios 26 update?
Tips Fedora
M’lady
No but for real, that was one of the main reasons it took me so long to test Fedora. I associated fedoras (and Linux in general) with sweaty basement dwellers for many years. Not to mention “red hat” has a different connotation than it did in the 90s. Yeesh. But I’m glad I got over it, Fedora works the best for my needs and Linux isn’t nearly as hard as it’s made out to be. Might try Cachy at some point though.
People still associate Linux to command line without a GUI and lack of compatibility with hardware. But, honestly, besides some issues with drivers on OpenSUSE 15 years ago, I have not had any issues with Linux ever.
For sure, it isn’t even only the corporate or specifically beginner focused distros that are like this these days either. Most distros have gotten with the program of having GUI choices for most things, easy ways to install proprietary drivers if they weren’t allowed tk bundle them already, and even their own ecosystem like an app store.
Some FOSS software does not work as a full replacement for missing professional software, but that’s about all that comes to mind as far as issues.
They really care about UX, Ui
Do people really like just having rows and rows of random icons on their home screen?
Huh? You don’t have to have icons on your home screen.
you either have them on your home screen or in the app page… which is just as bad UI I might add.
if you can’t remember what the app is named, you spend 3x as long searching for the app in multiple, poorly named categories…
it’s gnome UX all over again…
They really care about UX, Ui, build quality, OS efficiency, battery life
/me side-eyes macOS Tahoe
Have you ran into issues with Tahoe?
It looks like shit and is demonstrably slower than Sequoia because of all the liquid ass.
MacBooks are just better. Even before apple silicon they had a distinct fit and finish advantage, but now with the M series chips they are just on a completely different level.
Have to agree. I used to write their laptops off as a joke before 2020 due to them having the worst feeling/least reliable keyboard and having overheating issues, however they addressed every issue I had with their laptops when they debuted the M1 models. This seriously made me change my opinion of Apple overall and even the new MacBook Neo is impressive for the price too.
Hardware specs have gone up, prices have come down, competition prices have gone up, competition software has gone way down. The only way I’d recommend a laptop besides a Macbook is if you can find some nice second hand or refurbished laptops, preferably lightly used business class and/or from an auction. And even then, I’d only recommend it if they’re wanting to commit tk Linux and need a laptop specifically, or need a Windows only application. Vendors are really out here selling Windows laptops with 8 GB RAM, horrendous build quality, at damn near 1k. My work provided Windows machine is an i7 (2024 I think, maybe 2023) 32 GB RAM and sits at 16 GB RAM with my basic set of Office applications and browser tabs open. My work provided Mac has an M2 and 8 GB RAM, sits at a little under 7 GB RAM, and feels less laggy with the same programs and tabs open.
Desktops are a different story, though in specific use cases, Mac Studio/Mini/iMac are decent options too.
easy to find the bots in this thread.
ever heard of Linux and Framework? arm is great for phones, doesn’t belong In a laptop…
M1(and successors) are amazing processors. but, being stuck into a ecosystem for one is not worth it. I for one cannot wait for full size RISCV CPU cores… honestly, the market desperately needs a shakeup from all of this “I didn’t have a choice, so I chose the most expensive thing that met my minimum specs” copium.
https://system76.com/desktops/thelio-astra-a1.1-n1/configure
Seems to work fine outside the Apple ecosystem.
?? I’m not following. sure you can run arm based CPUs as a mobile device, but performance of large applications or x86 applications is poor.
there is also the addressable memory space issue that exists due to most arm core designs targeting phones… the bus is super limited, despite the architecture technically supporting much much more.
current RiscV cores suffer this same flaw as well.
the reason arm cores have better battery life is they are designed with phones in mind… not a desktop cpu. x86 mobile CPUs are cut down desktop CPUs with tdp restrictions. there is a massive difference as a result.
we are talking completely different design philosophies. it’s like comparing a ebike to a sports car… sure the ebike gets great energy economy when you scale the batteries. it’s half petal powered and has tiny draws on lightweight frame. it’s apples to oranges.
motorcycles would be more apt, but for arm, none really exist outside of obscenely priced workstations.
Did you actually look at the link?
There’s nothing mobile about that computer, it’s cool to not like arm but Apple isn’t the only company selling it.
Lol definitely not a bot. I’ve always been more of an Apple hater due to the ecosystem and business practices, but they’ve turned it around a lot in the 2020s. They’re still a trillion dollar company and not to be trusted, but yeah, they make great laptops.
I main Linux on my desktop and old laptops, like I mentioned. You can say ARM doesn’t belongin laptops but Apple has proven that’s not true. They outperform just about any chip, with battery life efficiency that is not even approachable by any other laptop chips. That’s just the facts. You can spend 3k for a laptop chip that is as good in performance as an M5 (which costs 1k), or you can get a Snapdragon chip that is almost as good as an M5 for efficiency, for over 1k. But not both. That’s where we’re at. Intel especially is asleep at the wheel. At least AMD is making good desktop CPUs still.
I’m also excited for RISC V, I’m considering getting one on an SBC to make a CyberDeck out of. It’s not come as far as ARM yet but it’s promising and we need an open standard.
Jokes on you I am an iOS for mobile and Linux for desktop user. I’ll carry on now.
Given Google’s current trajectory with Android, I’m not sure the smugness is so warranted unless you either have no phone or you’re one of the few that uses a Linux mobile OS. Also, yes I know Android is based on Linux but that isn’t stopping Google from locking it down as tightly as iOS
Get your ass on Lineage or GrapheneOS :)
/e/os W 🥱
/e/OS doesn’t care take security seriously. They are usually 1-2 months behind on Android security patches, leaving users vulnerable to literally (literally) dozens of critical and many more high severity vulnerabilities. Every other Android ROM is better about this. LineageOS and GrapheneOS are the best about updating quickly.
My plan right now is to have an Android phone at home for all the official stuff and just use scrncopy over ssh to get phones from my laptop
i want ios to perish
iOS is fine. I fucking hate apple, but iOS is a baby gate that protects (metaphorically) undeveloped minds from getting into danger…
…he says while leashed to his android phone…
Fuck that ai artist watermark
FTFY
