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Guess his joke bombed.
This guy needs to be put down like a rabid dog.
Not according to republicans and the GOP that controls them.
Since like half of the comments are saying this was racist can anyone explain how?
Genuinely what the fuck are you guys on about. I would understand if she was an ethnically Japanese leader/diplomat from Brazil or something but what.
You disagree with his comment being racist? Well since you’re not with us, you’re against us! There’s no middle ground, no nuance and no discourse in this community!
Yeah people make fun of ww2 germany all the time and it’s totally fine
I can’t tell if this is dementia or his regular poor taste and racism.
Yes.
Also yes!
I hate Trump. Fuck Trump.
However, out of all the disgusting and ghastly shit Trump has done and said, this one is not that bad. Poor taste, sure. Racist? Come on. Did you even read it? It was actually witty compared to his typical knuckle dragging bullshit.
A reporter asked Trump why he didn’t tell U.S. allies, including European and Asian countries, such as Japan, that he was planning joint military strikes with Israel on Iran.
“One thing, you don’t want to signal too much when we go in,” Trump said. “We went in very hard and we didn’t tell anyone about it because we wanted surprise. Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Why didn’t you tell me about Pearl Harbor?”
This guy is a sex predator, pedo who is trying to be a dictator and is taking our democratic rights away. Let’s focus on that first. Don’t let this petty bullshit be the focus.
I’ll take my downvotes now.
Like half way through trumps first term I thought people would stop taking everything he says extremely literally but here we still are. People are out here thinking he’s so far gone that he literally thinks he was president during pearl harbor and that his counterpart was running Japan. He has dementia but come on, you have to encounter reality deeper than just reading headlines and jerking yourself off with them.
This is just how he talks and has talked. He just made a stupid comparison while trying to deflect a question.
Right. We know what we’re getting with this idiot.
I guess he could always do worse and joke about Hiroshima…but I wont give ideas…
He does worse most times he opens his mouth. Calling a woman “piggy” to her face is considerably worse.
I personally think a Hiroshima reference to Japan’s PM is a worse faux pas than calling someone piggy… But, hey, everybody has differing levels of sensitivity i guess.
Hiroshima reference?
Are you asking what Hiroshima is?
It wasn’t Hiroshima. He referenced Pearl Harbor.
They mentioned Hiroshima because the comment you replied to used it as a hypothetical.
Ah yes, much better.
I guess he could compare the PM to a gueixa or something, no guardrails :/
I agree that’s worse morally, but that not worse for the diplomatic relation between two of the worlds biggest economies.
Then maybe she shouldn’t have spent the last year sucking his cock.
THIS is true, anyone who cowardly placates him for their short term benefit deserves to get the full tramp treatment.
Yeah but this anecdote betrays a shitty personality. At the end of the day he is an unapologetic child rapist first and foremost, and it’s hard to imagine what could surpass that depravity, but these little vignettes help paint the picture who have trouble believing the commander-in-chief is also the chomo-in-chief.
I’m sorry but this is terrible diplomacy and diminishes America’s soft power on the world stage.
Yes we’re moving into a multipolar world where soft power matters less but narrative building is always relevant and rubbing your allies the wrong way is just terrible strategy from any vantage point.
Trump’s caused so much damage to Western credibity in so little time just by highlighting and widening fault lines at a records pace. This will create a vacuum that others will seek to occupy. This comment may not seem like much but it’s another little cut that will slowly bleed away America and the West’s standing in the world.
Has he really damaged Western credibility, or is he only damaging the USA’s credibility? I’ve not seen reports that Trump’s behaviour is impacting how others feel about Canada, France or Germany. Trump’s behaviour really only reflects on the global opinions of the USA, as other countries and their populations are generally intelligent enough to understand that he is only elected by one country; only represents one country; and is only the product of the population of one country.
Many Western countries follow along and act as cheerleaders for US foreign policy. Seven countries (including Canada, France and Germany) have already signed on to help secure the Strait of Hormuz which is only blocked because of yet another US misadventure.
A lot of these countries are small and in terms of global influence would be middle powers at best if not part of a Western bloc. Trump is slowly eroding the concept of a Western bloc so the idea of collective credibility or collective values is eroding with that.
Most of the rest of the world sees Western countries as vassals of the US and the question now is will they be able to assert their independence on the world stage or will they simply go along with the US as they often do.
Care to point to any reports that other nations are viewing those other Western countries poorly as a result of Trump’s actions?
Securing the Strait of Hormuz seems to be self-interested actions by those nations; an attempt to reduce the impact of higher oil prices on their own economies. It’s a far cry from the Western world following the USA into Iraq with boots on the ground 20-odd years ago.
Trump is eroding the idea of a USA-led Western bloc. Canada’s PM Carney is leading the charge to create new middle-power blocs to establish credibility outside of the USA’s influence. I’m yet to see reports that those measures are being viewed in a negative fashion by the rest of the world, but I’m happy to be corrected.
Yeah, no shit. That’s why I said all the negative stuff. Fucking relax.
He has dementia, this isn’t it though. This is his true self.
Dropping the mask.
Well…she’s a huge fan of Trump so she deserves all she gets.
Why not both.
Both. He’s always been racist, but dementia removes what filters do exist.
With Donald you never have to choose.
It’s damn both.
Coming up with the analogy is just his regular poor taste and racism. Not realizing that it paints the US as the equivalent to the Japanese in WWII is his dementia.
He’s brought it up before in dealing with Japanese diplomats
Probably a mixture of all three, most people would be smart enough to keep that thought in their head.
Interesting that Trump seems to understand that we “did a pearl harbor” on Iran, but somehow still thinks that we are the “good guys”? He almost got self aware for a second there.
He doesn’t believe in good guys, he thinks everyone is just as evil as him so it makes his continuous assault on all limits of human decency OK in his mind.
Yup, this is why his accusations are always confessions. Projection is the psychological phenomenon where you refuse to see yourself as bad, so you justify your bad actions with “everyone does bad stuff like this, so it doesn’t make me bad to do them.” But when all of your interactions are colored by that “everyone does bad stuff like this” part, it means you project those bad intentions onto others and default to assuming they’re just as bad as you are. So when he’s accusing people of bad things, it is because he has projected those intentions onto them.
And Trump’s narcissism refuses to let him do any kind of soul-searching that may lead him to stop projecting. And thus, every accusation is an admission.
you refuse to see yourself as bad, so you justify your bad actions with “everyone does bad stuff like this”
I’ve heard the neat phrase ‘reverse cargo cult’ in regard to such views.
Wow, gotta read that paper now:
The Reverse Cargo Cult metaphor explains why dictators tell their citizens lies that citizens know to be lies: a verifiable lie told by a politician changes citizens’ perceptions of politicians and reduces their willingness to replace them
People in some places are just convinced the rest of the world is just as bad — this is the context in which I’ve heard the term.
USians’ incessant belief that travelling to other countries is very unsafe is probably one example of this.
Most blatantly with his rambling about ‘Americans have to flush 3 times, 5 times’. I thought what the hell is wrong with the water pressure where he lives?
Then I read that he likely flushed evidence down the toilet. Of course. HE has a problem with destroying evidence in his toilet, so ‘Americans’ have problems with their toilet. I’m not even sure if he has the ability to differentiate between his problems and anybody elses.
Epstein was his best friend. And the horrific shit that happened in that island is so much worse than anybody seems to be willing to believe. But just raping kids, but torturing them to death as well, for a start.
Think of the number of the parasitic “elite” he saw there. Of course he believes everyone else is evil, too. As far as he is concerned, he saw the proof of it. In their world, that kind of horrid vile behavior is, in fact, normal.
Well yeah we all see the evil in the world, but i guess what i think defines people is whether they choose to be part of the problem or the solution. Just clarifying that’s no excuse even if it’s some kind of explanation for trump or anyone else’s depravity.
He learned that from Putin. The difference is that Putin is well aware he’s the most evil.
If you assume he thinks of himself as Nazi Germany it makes more sense.
I mean, you can do a pre-emptive surprise strike against a foreign military and still be the “good guys”. It’s just that we aren’t the good guys when we did this pre-emptive military strike against a foreign military… Or grade school girls… Because our top military brass has been replaced by retards loyal to trump.
Name one good guy that did a “pre-emptive” (whatever that means in this context, because Iran for sure wouldn’t have attacked the US) strike against a foreign military.
Han-Solo
Iran absolutely would. How haven’t you heard of the imminent threat of an attack?! It has been there for 47 years man!
Everybody is the hero in their own story. Incidentally, this is something Maga do not understand; they honestly believe everyone else just wants them to fail, that we all know we’re wrong and trying to take them down, anyway. For them, we all actively chose evil.
But, my point is “good guy” is inherently subjective. But that means you cannot preemptively strike and not be the villain, as well.
There is no “good guy” in the theater of war, though; to be involved is to be as evil as everyone else there.
Its crazy how well he represents the worst of america so well. Let me tell you folks no one does it better. The best people are all saying it. Top people in fact.
This is what we deserve for decades of celebrity worship, it is strangely appropriate that he is our President
They tell me, sir… They come to me and say, mr president you do it the best. Embodying the most tremendous and bad stuff about the US. Nobody does it like you sir…
Time for Japan to dump their 1 trillion in US bonds. That’ll be worse than Pearl Harbor for them.
Japan is like the rest of the world, they bought into the idea US was too big to fail. You can’t just “dump” $1T in bonds.
BRICS replacing USD is like how we declare every year the year of the linux desktop lol.
When USD goes down, its gonna bring down the world with it lol.
lol
lol
…lol ☹️
Haha
It was the only one that survived along with lmao
RIP roflcopter
Alternatively we can transition to the Eurodollar, which some people trade with already.
yeah that was super hilarious never has a double lol been more appropriate you should be a comedian
Remember that the US nuked Japan in response. So I guess he’d be ok if Iran nuked the US in response?
They also put a tooon of Japanese people in camps
Remember that the US nuked Japan in response.
Twice.
They did not nuke Japan as a response to Pearl Harbor.
How would you know what FDRs motivation was? He coulda been “This is for Pearl Harbor, I’ve been waiting a long time for this”.
It could have been his response to Pearl Harbor, so your correction is REJECTED
FDR was dead before the first nuclear test dentonation ever occured…
So I can pretty conclusively say that dropping atomic bombs on Japan was not his response for pearl harbor.
What about zombie FDR
I’m going to nitpick a bit but FDR was president and made the decision to go to war with Japan over pearl harbor. Truman made the final decision to drop the nuclear weapons on Japan.
Roosevelt had likely a plan since the Manhattan project was under his presidency but Truman inherited that.
I think it’s mostly accepted that the USA did not nuke Japan specifically because of pearl harbor but more to force a rapid surrender. Japan was being extremely stubborn and the estimated loss of US forces was very high to continue the war.
The exhibit at the Hiroshima Peace Museum argues that Truman dropped the bombs to end the war before the Soviets could invade and to avoid the partition of Japan.
I’d just like to take a moment to say how glad I am that most US presidents didn’t have social media to tell us their thoughts 24/7.
It’s very possible that some of them were just as dumb as their 21st-century counterparts, but at least we don’t have the tweets to prove it.
I would like to make the brave claim that Trump is on an entirely different level intellectually compared to most, if not all, previous presidents.
Does he not realize what he’s implying based on the ultimate fate of imperial Japan after they did the Pearl Harbor?
I guarantee you he does not.
Also, Germany (Japan’s biggest ally) was pissed when they heard about Japan’s attack, because they were hoping to conquer all of Europe before they even considered taking on America. The surprise attack was a surprise to Germany too. And not a welcome one.
And sure enough, America’s allies all balked when Trump begged them for help in securing the strait.
Bro. The people coming to his defense is mind blowing. “That’s not what he meant!”, “He didn’t mean it in a racist way!” Shut the fuck up. He knows what he’s saying. He doesn’t care. The mental gymnastics his cult does for him is crazy. Just own up to it. He’s the racist pedophile Uncle who makes bad jokes at a family gathering that you wouldn’t leave your 10 year old with.
It is what it is.
I’m noticing more discourse on Lemmy. I’m not saying I want Lemmy to be a hive mind. But there’s clearly more and more comments seemingly just giving really “wrong side of history” takes.
It’s the same shit they repeated on the campaign trail god I got tired of being told “it’s all hyperbole” from people I know didn’t even know what the word meant
Something something narcissist’s prayer.
If you’re stunned you have not been paying attention to the last ten years.
Not to worry. He’s going to be SLAMMED for this. Perhaps even someone will BLAST him. And since journalism is literal Pokémon moves now he might even be CONFUSED or HYPNOTIZED
President Trump used DISTRACTION! It’s not very effective against Epstein Files…
It was a BOMBSHELL statement.
Lol Pokemon moves
“Foreign minister leers at president; it is super effective!”
Or even just 9 months ago, when he told the leader of Germany that D-Day “was not a pleasant day for you.”
This is the funniest fucking thing he’s ever done.
To a prior PM, it would be in extremely bad taste. But this bitch is nakedly fascist.
anyone want to share? I can’t see the joke.
“One thing, you don’t want to signal too much when we go in,” Trump said. “We went in very hard and we didn’t tell anyone about it because we wanted surprise. Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Why didn’t you tell me about Pearl Harbor?”
Legitimately a good joke, probably not during a diplomatic meeting though.
It’s not offensive by Trump’s standards but it also isn’t really funny.
Lol, that shit is funny. Irrespective, the guy is fuckinh retarded and a plague on the world
What makes it funny? Seems like nowadays whatever is insulting is called funny
Different people have different senses of humor. It’s subjective.
Of course, so what makes it funny to you?
I never said it was funny.
From the article:
“One thing, you don’t want to signal too much when we go in,” Trump said. “We went in very hard and we didn’t tell anyone about it because we wanted surprise. Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Why didn’t you tell me about Pearl Harbor?”
Why didn’t you tell me about Pearl Harbor?
Trump was what at that time? A middle aged nobody?
Trump was born in 1946. Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941. The war he dodged with his “bone spurs” was Vietnam, not WWII.
he was 5.
-5.
yes, my bad.
Nope, Trump is a very early boomer. He wasn’t born until After Pearl Harbor happened.
Are you sure he wasn’t 50 back then? I mean… look at him!
well I was wrong so maybe you’re right!
big oof
I died laughing! 😂 I like how silent the room just went after the 2 sec before people realized what he just said.
Btw the Japan Primeminister is also a Japanese MAGA so I don’t really give a f about her either. Let them swin in their own nationalist poop.
It’s old man jokes like these that I understand. People clutching their pearls online while literally no one reacted the way this article says when they were in the room. Even the PM gave a visible smirk because she knows he’s an old senile moron that can be easily manipulated.
Yeah am I bad for literally laughing out loud at this? unbelievable stuff
Americans must be so proud of their commander in chief. Well at least 40% still are. That’s all you need to know about the United States. In regards to the world, you lost all respect and trust that took 80 years to built. If any other foreign leader would use this language, he would be in a white padded cell within hours.
I actually think someone like trump could exist in more countries than we are willing to acknowledge. He plays terribly as someone else’s leader, but as your own leader, people seem to love the jingoism, bravado, and shamelessness in a lot of countries.
Indeed they do but in other countries there are mechanisms in place to ensure you don’t get a cosplay dictator. In the Netherlands, Wilders was elected who is a Trump wannabe, but thanks for the proper democratic system in the Netherlands, he was severely limited in what crazy shit he wanted to do. Obviously the government collapsed and now they have a much more middle of the road government, which means more will get done. It is about checks and balances but Trump does whatever he wants and no one stops him.
Yeah the executive has been out of control here for decades, it just took trump to make that obvious.
People like him do exist in other countries. But without a cult of personality they don’t really achieve very much, and no one can do cults like the US.
The MEGA equivalents in other countries are actually having a bit of a problem because everyone can see a live demonstration of what their policies would actually look like, and no one likes it.
The MEGA equivalents in other countries are actually having a bit of a problem because everyone can see a live demonstration of what their policies would actually look like, and no one likes it.
alas, a huge rise in this stupid in Australia.
That’s basically what happened in Australia’s last election. The Liberals were trying to play up culture war shit & wanted to emulate DOGE, and it backfired hard. I was waiting to lock up a polling place for the night in Western Australia which is a couple of hours behind the eastern states, by the time they’d finished packing up the votes to be counted it was already so lopsided that even if every remaining vote was Liberal it wouldn’t have mattered.
yeah, calling bullshit on that oft repeated trope, it’s just Dutton was really on the nose, how do we know ? witness the rise and rise of One Nation
Spoiler alert: this country never deserved that respect…
That wasn’t a joke. He was not joking. He’s an abusive asshole.
He’s a sociopath, no two ways about it. I remember a story his nephew told about bringing his developmentally disabled son (can’t remember the exact condition) to the White House and having multiple meetings with Trump about setting up a bill that would benefit Americans, including his own great-nephew. In one of those meetings, after it had all seemed positive, everyone left the room but Trump and his nephew, to whom Trump immediately said “be a lot easier and less expensive if all these disabled kids would just die”.
The disabled were one of the first groups rounded up by the Nazis in concentration camps.
The US is building a lot of concentration camps. It’ll probably be fine.
