Dude, get over it. Your precious company has enabled all the industry illnesses I mentioned and more, and all the pushback that the company gets for it is the owner being rewarded with seven yachts. If it were EA or dare I say Epic, I’d find you on the other side of the fence. Because that’s what this is. Blind simping. For your short novel of a post, I hope you are getting paid $0.01? Cause your hero doesn’t really care as much as you do, so you better be paid for it than be a fool and do it for free.
calling proton a “wine fork” is akin to calling a linux distro a “kernel fork”
It is a wine fork, and wouldn’t exist without the initial contributions that made wine, the actual hero of this story, in the first place. Next.
Second, Valve never “fucked over game ownership”,
Explain Steam to me then. Literally launched as a DRM built-in to hardcopies of Half-Life 2, using an account based activation scheme with a one-time use code. Literally the CD key people deride but now with a bloatware launcher and an internet connection requirement, for a single player game. After you use the code, the game is now bound to your account, and your hardcopy can’t be resold in a legally playable form. Oh and now in our current day, they literally can decide to delete your whole library of “subscriptions” as they call it. I’m sure you’ll find some way to blame literally any other party but Valve for things that Valve has done.
And because people like you kept throwing tons of money at them so other companies are compelled to copy them, along with their model of not owning anything… We get to the territory of…
accusing Valve in The Crew shutdown incident
And many countless other games that were shutdown or killed because of their DRM failing.
Does that mean that without Valve there’d be no crates? I highly doubt that.
It doesn’t matter. Point is they’re the first to popularize the concept and poison the entire industry with it. I don’t care what “nicities” they might have compared to other companies, the fucking idea itself is predatory and Valve even more so for spawning it.
Valve is one of the few rare exceptions that don’t try to exploit their consumers
Yeah, same Valve that sells in-game diamond rings for $100 and lootbox keys for $5. Same Valve that created the “trading card” system just to profit off of thin air by milking their userbase. Same Valve that spent years opposing refunds until Australia forced them to offer them. Totally not exploitative.
developing a platform that becomes a de-facto monopolist purely by the virtue of being that good
Propaganda. It is monopolist because it is. Their APIs deliberately lock in devs to their own ecosystem, such that it becomes harder to integrate into other ecosystems, therefore adding an artificial barrier to their competitors as they have to develop their own solutions and devs must also weigh whether they want to even bother with all this stuff. The recent lawsuits as well show they actually threaten devs when they have different prices in other locations. Plenty of reasons for their monopoly, and this rose-tinted “they’re just that good” is nonsense.
by sponsoring and promoting FOSS
Microsoft contributes to FOSS too. Tell me about how Bill Gates or Satya Nadella are cool people then.
If every corporate CEO was more like him, i think the world would be a better place.
Oh I’d be terrified of this world alright. The world where CEOs do all sorts of bad stuff and they get praised for it even as we lose ownership rights or more.
Now try to turn on your head and oppose me without trying to demean anything i say in your head by calling me a simp
I’ve played the game by your own rules and I regret it already. You’re so deep into believing the bull you’re spewing, I don’t think anyone will pull you out of it.
You don’t become a billionaire by “”“offering good services”“”. The only way you can do that is by exploiting people and hoarding money - the methods to achieving that are all laid down above. All billionaires should not have this wealth while other people don’t even have a roof above them. End of.
Dude, get over it. Your precious company has enabled all the industry illnesses I mentioned and more, and all the pushback that the company gets for it is the owner being rewarded with seven yachts
Because obviously, modern corporate dehumanizing cash-grabbing culture is not a systemic issue present in any modern corporation, if Valve hasn’t invented the monetization strategies, they wouldn’t have appeared anywhere else, smh
calling proton a “wine fork” is akin to calling a linux distro a “kernel fork”
It is a wine fork, and wouldn’t exist without the initial contributions that made wine, the actual hero of this story, in the first place. Next.
I see that you’re utterly unable to comprehend nuance, that, or you struggle with analogies. Let me bird-feed you what you just cited then:
Yes, proton, at the very basic level, is a wine fork. But, unlike wine, it does miriads of things that wine doesn’t. Namely, it translates directx calls into vulkan ones. Proton was the first to integrate esync and fsync. Mind i tell you, that fsync support came to the vanilla wine only recently? On top of that, proton offers everything in a single bundled, working out of the box package, Unlike with wine, where you always had to tinker, install with winetricks or similar kind of bs. Just like it is with Linux kernel — “the actual hero”, and “evil” distribution maintainers.
Second, Valve never “fucked over game ownership”,
Explain Steam to me then…
You won’t read the whole paragraph? Yk, that tells about how intellectual property always was problematic, and all that stuff? Dunno, seems like an important context to understand what i’m trying to say…
Valve hasn’t invented DRM in games, especially since we’re talking about simple copy prevention by binding a game copy to a specific user account. CD keys and other copy-prevention methods existed long before that. Case in point, right about the time Half-Life 2 was released, little russian company known as Starforce technologies started to license their infamous DRM to studios such as Ubisoft and CodeMasters. Trust me when i say that it was marginally worse than what Valve did.
Mind you, what they did back there wasn’t the most pro-consumer action on their behalf. It just wasn’t as big of a deal as you think. Either you haven’t read past the cited sentence, or your reading and nuance comprehension is so bad that you failed to see my point in the first place.
I’m sure you’ll find some way to blame literally any other party but Valve for things that Valve has done.
nah, you just failed to see my point.
Yeah, same Valve that sells in-game diamond rings for $100 and lootbox keys for $5.
Yes, once again, entirely optional, purely cosmetic diamond rings, original authors of which are other players, that receive returns from every purchase.
Propaganda. It is monopolist because it is.
Yeah? What did they do to not only become a monopoly, but also stay one through all the years? It’s not like something is actively preventing users from using any other store. Case in point, Itch.io is pretty popular amongst indie devs. At this point you’re just spouting loud words.
Also, your reasoning couldn’t be more lazy.
Microsoft contributes to FOSS too. Tell me about how Bill Gates or Satya Nadella are cool people then.
Uh huh, by forcing windows developers VisualStudio down their throats, having its own standard of c++, developing their own java to instill more control, then by buying Github and slopifying it. Tell me about it.
The only thing they actually do about FOSS is paying few developers to maintain the Linux kernel.
Oh I’d be terrified of this world alright. The world where CEOs do all sorts of bad stuff and they get praised for it even as we lose ownership rights or more.
Except what you described is the world we’re living in right now. For instance, someone like Bobby Kotick is reverd among corpos, and was compensated handsomely for his leave. Time to start getting anxious ig.
You don’t become a billionaire by “”“offering good services”“”…
Sorry, didn’t realize i was talking to a billionaire. You must be speaking from the mountains of experience you certainly have behind your back?
All billionaires should not have this wealth while other people don’t even have a roof above them. End of.
And i shouldn’t have had keratoconus on both eyes by the ripe age of 22, hunger shouldn’t exist, Santa should be real, and people should be smart and wise…
…enough to at least understand that life is full of crap and that some ideas never meant to be, regardless of how good they sound on paper… Yet here we are.
Sorry to disappoint, but billionaires exist, and they will remain existing unless we make something about that fact. Go on, make a career in politics and tax 'em all!
What i’m trying to say, unfortunately it’s always easier said than done. Especially when it’s something as shallow and trivial as “Wealth inequality is unjust and shouldn’t exist”.
I’ve been accused of simping for Gabe. Nd while it can certainly seem to be the case, especially when you’re actively avoiding any sort of nuance in your judgement, I’m not a fan of his. He made bad decisions, the aforementioned HL2 launch situation is one of those. Another example would be the absolutely laughable launch and then shut down of Artifact. And i still don’t understand who tf came up with the idea of CS2. Also, I won’t ever get what’s so thrilling about something as hedonistic as collecting the fucking yachts.
That said, when i compare Valve to other corpos, i can’t but notice the positive influence. How many artists and modelers started out from submitting their works for tf2/dota2/cs:go? How many animators started from SFM? How many people became indie devs thanks to the existence of the Steam greenlight? How many people switched over to linux thanks to proton?
Now name me a single other corpo that had similar positive effects on so many people in so many aspects.
I’m simply placing credit where credit is due, plus, ngl, i kinda hate people like you — people with the clinical case of tribalism, always dividing people and their actions into binary categories, because doing that is always just that much more easy than turning on your brain for a good minute to study and analyze the reality around yourself. You’re a prisoner of your utterly childish worldview, which you have not the slightest idea on how to implement into reality, yet you sure as hell is very loud about. “All billionaires should not have this wealth while other people don’t even have a roof above them.”? Well, duh, congrats on grasping the basics of morality, genius. What a profound take, how didn’t i come up with it myself?
While saying something like that makes you feel good by creating the illusion of the moral high ground, the “profound” words you spouted carry no substance. Tell me, do people like you ever have the slightest bit controversial thoughts, or are you 1:1 human equivalent of a highly-censored corporate llm?
Dude, get over it. Your precious company has enabled all the industry illnesses I mentioned and more, and all the pushback that the company gets for it is the owner being rewarded with seven yachts. If it were EA or dare I say Epic, I’d find you on the other side of the fence. Because that’s what this is. Blind simping. For your short novel of a post, I hope you are getting paid $0.01? Cause your hero doesn’t really care as much as you do, so you better be paid for it than be a fool and do it for free.
It is a wine fork, and wouldn’t exist without the initial contributions that made wine, the actual hero of this story, in the first place. Next.
Explain Steam to me then. Literally launched as a DRM built-in to hardcopies of Half-Life 2, using an account based activation scheme with a one-time use code. Literally the CD key people deride but now with a bloatware launcher and an internet connection requirement, for a single player game. After you use the code, the game is now bound to your account, and your hardcopy can’t be resold in a legally playable form. Oh and now in our current day, they literally can decide to delete your whole library of “subscriptions” as they call it. I’m sure you’ll find some way to blame literally any other party but Valve for things that Valve has done.
And because people like you kept throwing tons of money at them so other companies are compelled to copy them, along with their model of not owning anything… We get to the territory of…
And many countless other games that were shutdown or killed because of their DRM failing.
It doesn’t matter. Point is they’re the first to popularize the concept and poison the entire industry with it. I don’t care what “nicities” they might have compared to other companies, the fucking idea itself is predatory and Valve even more so for spawning it.
Yeah, same Valve that sells in-game diamond rings for $100 and lootbox keys for $5. Same Valve that created the “trading card” system just to profit off of thin air by milking their userbase. Same Valve that spent years opposing refunds until Australia forced them to offer them. Totally not exploitative.
Propaganda. It is monopolist because it is. Their APIs deliberately lock in devs to their own ecosystem, such that it becomes harder to integrate into other ecosystems, therefore adding an artificial barrier to their competitors as they have to develop their own solutions and devs must also weigh whether they want to even bother with all this stuff. The recent lawsuits as well show they actually threaten devs when they have different prices in other locations. Plenty of reasons for their monopoly, and this rose-tinted “they’re just that good” is nonsense.
Microsoft contributes to FOSS too. Tell me about how Bill Gates or Satya Nadella are cool people then.
Oh I’d be terrified of this world alright. The world where CEOs do all sorts of bad stuff and they get praised for it even as we lose ownership rights or more.
I’ve played the game by your own rules and I regret it already. You’re so deep into believing the bull you’re spewing, I don’t think anyone will pull you out of it.
You don’t become a billionaire by “”“offering good services”“”. The only way you can do that is by exploiting people and hoarding money - the methods to achieving that are all laid down above. All billionaires should not have this wealth while other people don’t even have a roof above them. End of.
Because obviously, modern corporate dehumanizing cash-grabbing culture is not a systemic issue present in any modern corporation, if Valve hasn’t invented the monetization strategies, they wouldn’t have appeared anywhere else, smh
I see that you’re utterly unable to comprehend nuance, that, or you struggle with analogies. Let me bird-feed you what you just cited then:
Yes, proton, at the very basic level, is a wine fork. But, unlike wine, it does miriads of things that wine doesn’t. Namely, it translates directx calls into vulkan ones. Proton was the first to integrate esync and fsync. Mind i tell you, that fsync support came to the vanilla wine only recently? On top of that, proton offers everything in a single bundled, working out of the box package, Unlike with wine, where you always had to tinker, install with winetricks or similar kind of bs. Just like it is with Linux kernel — “the actual hero”, and “evil” distribution maintainers.
You won’t read the whole paragraph? Yk, that tells about how intellectual property always was problematic, and all that stuff? Dunno, seems like an important context to understand what i’m trying to say…
Valve hasn’t invented DRM in games, especially since we’re talking about simple copy prevention by binding a game copy to a specific user account. CD keys and other copy-prevention methods existed long before that. Case in point, right about the time Half-Life 2 was released, little russian company known as Starforce technologies started to license their infamous DRM to studios such as Ubisoft and CodeMasters. Trust me when i say that it was marginally worse than what Valve did.
Mind you, what they did back there wasn’t the most pro-consumer action on their behalf. It just wasn’t as big of a deal as you think. Either you haven’t read past the cited sentence, or your reading and nuance comprehension is so bad that you failed to see my point in the first place.
nah, you just failed to see my point.
Yes, once again, entirely optional, purely cosmetic diamond rings, original authors of which are other players, that receive returns from every purchase.
Yeah? What did they do to not only become a monopoly, but also stay one through all the years? It’s not like something is actively preventing users from using any other store. Case in point, Itch.io is pretty popular amongst indie devs. At this point you’re just spouting loud words.
Also, your reasoning couldn’t be more lazy.
Uh huh, by forcing windows developers VisualStudio down their throats, having its own standard of c++, developing their own java to instill more control, then by buying Github and slopifying it. Tell me about it.
The only thing they actually do about FOSS is paying few developers to maintain the Linux kernel.
Except what you described is the world we’re living in right now. For instance, someone like Bobby Kotick is reverd among corpos, and was compensated handsomely for his leave. Time to start getting anxious ig.
Sorry, didn’t realize i was talking to a billionaire. You must be speaking from the mountains of experience you certainly have behind your back?
And i shouldn’t have had keratoconus on both eyes by the ripe age of 22, hunger shouldn’t exist, Santa should be real, and people should be smart and wise…
…enough to at least understand that life is full of crap and that some ideas never meant to be, regardless of how good they sound on paper… Yet here we are.
Sorry to disappoint, but billionaires exist, and they will remain existing unless we make something about that fact. Go on, make a career in politics and tax 'em all!
What i’m trying to say, unfortunately it’s always easier said than done. Especially when it’s something as shallow and trivial as “Wealth inequality is unjust and shouldn’t exist”.
I’ve been accused of simping for Gabe. Nd while it can certainly seem to be the case, especially when you’re actively avoiding any sort of nuance in your judgement, I’m not a fan of his. He made bad decisions, the aforementioned HL2 launch situation is one of those. Another example would be the absolutely laughable launch and then shut down of Artifact. And i still don’t understand who tf came up with the idea of CS2. Also, I won’t ever get what’s so thrilling about something as hedonistic as collecting the fucking yachts.
That said, when i compare Valve to other corpos, i can’t but notice the positive influence. How many artists and modelers started out from submitting their works for tf2/dota2/cs:go? How many animators started from SFM? How many people became indie devs thanks to the existence of the Steam greenlight? How many people switched over to linux thanks to proton?
Now name me a single other corpo that had similar positive effects on so many people in so many aspects.
I’m simply placing credit where credit is due, plus, ngl, i kinda hate people like you — people with the clinical case of tribalism, always dividing people and their actions into binary categories, because doing that is always just that much more easy than turning on your brain for a good minute to study and analyze the reality around yourself. You’re a prisoner of your utterly childish worldview, which you have not the slightest idea on how to implement into reality, yet you sure as hell is very loud about. “All billionaires should not have this wealth while other people don’t even have a roof above them.”? Well, duh, congrats on grasping the basics of morality, genius. What a profound take, how didn’t i come up with it myself?
While saying something like that makes you feel good by creating the illusion of the moral high ground, the “profound” words you spouted carry no substance. Tell me, do people like you ever have the slightest bit controversial thoughts, or are you 1:1 human equivalent of a highly-censored corporate llm?
Billionaires bad? Boo, get new better material!