Chuck Schumer is not only failing to meet the moment by not opposing the war on Iran. He has long been a hawk on Iran among Democrats and Americans who are yearning for peace.

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    He will be largely forgotten by the history books, a minor side character that 99.99% of people will never learn about.

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      No, unfortunately for him and his family, I do not think he will be forgotten at all. People will remember who was in power who could have stopped this, they will burn it into their memories like a brand so they never forget. I know I already have.

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          All of Von Hindenbergs supporters. Hindenbergs son ran his campaign and gave all his speeches as hindenberg was too old and feeble. He wasnt all there when he appointed Hitler chancellor. All those people who supported hindenberg screwed the entire country. Exactly the same as all the centrist idiots supporting Biden when he was drooling on himself did. And they still havent learned their lesson. Biden is Hindenberg.

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        And those people will die in a few more decades, and he will be forgotten. Regulated to the most obscure history books

        Even kids today know jack shit about 9/11, nor do they care. You would be hard pressed to find anyone who could name the minority leadership under Bush Jr and who supported the AUMF or Patriot Act.

        History will forget Schumer, Trump will take up most of all anyone ever learns of this era.

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          Exactly. I lived through the Iran/Contra affair, and I don’t remember most of the players in a scandal that was way worse than Watergate.

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          I disagree, no generation will be able to do more damage to the earth than the Boomer generation, this period of time will be remembered and talked about in stories, history and parables for hundreds if not thousands of years. The damage is that acute that is being locked in right now, so no, I think people will be VERY interested in the villains, especially the “quiet” ones from this period, in the same way people are interested in the ways in which the Roman Empire could have avoided collapse to some degree but did not.

          Trump is in many ways a boring character, he is easy to diagnose, he telegraphs his intentions with everything he does and projects every internal insecurity he has on to his enemies. There is nothing to discover, nothing creative to Trump’s bigotry and fascism. There are no cliffhangers to the story of Trump, no interesting twists or turns, it is all just a base reduction, a cynical exclusion of all else but a worship of might makes right and narcissism.

          People will be far more interested in the ways in which the DNC and Democratic Leadership made the catastrophe of fascism inevitable in their failures to meet the reality of the moment or pass even marginal reforms to improve the quality of life of people in the US.

          There is little to learn peering into a figure like Trump, but Biden, Schumer, Jeffries… Nancy Pelosi… those characters are much more historically relevant because they occupied positions that could have ostensibly headed off the descent to fascism in a way that would have been massively popular to the general public, the question of why didn’t they is far more fruitful for historians than why did Trump start another dumb as fuck war.

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            I am looking forward to an episode of HardThrasher, 30 years from now. The Internet Historian, too. This era of politics will be evergreen for video historians, simply because there is so much bullshit to unpack.

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            no generation will be able to do more damage to the earth than the Boomer generation

            I highly doubt that. It seems younger generations have learned neither the lessons of vaccination nor the lessons of fascism from WWII.

            If that Fourth Turning thing turns out to be right - and Zeus help us if it does, the boomer generation will be viewed as a Renaissance era (and a lot of what they worked for was - all kinds of awakening happened thanks to them, regardless of the current en vogue narratives).

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              If that Fourth Turning thing turns out to be right - and Zeus help us if it does, the boomer generation will be viewed as a Renaissance era

              Ahahahahaha

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                Shrug, you can laugh I guess? Even if it’s quite en vogue at the moment to lay all the problems at the feet of one generation, I think it’s incredibly simplistic and naive to do so. Especially when we can see an incredible rise in younger men embracing the tenets of fascism right now, and they are nowhere near the age of boomers.

                This is the boomers we are talking about, and they contain multitudes. They fought for gay rights, they fought for civil rights, they fought for women’s rights. Prior to the boomers, women could not even have a bank account without a man in their life signing off on it.