North America has little competition because of the tariffs on everything not made in USA.
AFAIK Canada is getting out of that shadow. I read an article about a month ago, how Canadian imports were routed through USA, and that it stifled EV adoption in Canada.
EV adoption was stifled by MAGA Premieres killing incentives and ripping out public chargers, while giving money to Detroit to keep building shitty trucks and muscle cars.
Meanwhile, to sell EVs in Europe, XPing is getting them made in Austria using Magna, a Canadian company. Why didn’t Carney/Ford insist on this in Ontario?
BYD tried to build buses in Ontario but they were so shit they had to close the plant and pay a bunch of lawsuits. And BYD is hurting, they just laid off 100,000 worldwide.
BYD tried to build buses in Ontario but they were so shit they had to close the plant and pay a bunch of lawsuits.
Wow interesting I didn’t know that, I’ve heard that China has too many car makers, and some of them would have to go. So this is probably just the beginning of an adjustment for Chinese makers.
This is actually one of the very few places that US tariffs make sense. (Not from a consumer perspective of course, but from a nationalist industry protection point of view.) The rest of the tariffs the US places are silly because there isn’t much other manufacturing in the US to protect.
Absolutely correct, we don’t want a competition based on social dumping or highest subsidies.
That’s why you make tariffs to compensate for that like the EU does, but EU has higher standards than USA, and is hit by tariffs in USA anyway, and although China has state subsidies, the 150% tariff doesn’t make the competition fair, it simply excludes any car made in China from being sold in USA.
Because US businesses will only compete and innovate if you force them. Leave them safe behind ramparts of protective trade policies, and they’ll keep coasting on 1990s technology, as the country as a whole slowly becomes a backwater.
Short term tariffs can allow domestic manufacturing to reach the design and scale to be competitive without tariffs. This was, in theory, the idea behind the 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs. Of course, none of the American auto manufacturers are doing anything with that leeway other than continuing to be terrible.
You are 100% correct that this is the general idea, the problem is that USA actually had a head start with Tesla, (as painful as it is to me to admit.)
Now the lack of competition will only result in the loss of the lead USA had until just a few years ago.
Of course Nazi Musk and Nazi Trump undermine American exports, and no amount of US tariffs can compensate for that.
There are plenty of EVs below the median price Americans are paying for new cars ~$50k. People aren’t buying EVs because they don’t like them / the dealerships aren’t pushing them, not the price as they’re willing to shell out even more for a top of the line pickup.
I of course looked into used EV but…there’s nothing to buy used. You can only get shit with less than 80kW batteries for under $15k in Canada. Think 2006 - 2015 models with high mileage so even less range.
Ouf my subaru + jeep + dual sport and cruiser combined cost less than the cheapest POS GM ev used i need AWD + snow tires to make it up the mountain passes here in the winter, and when it’s more than free ing out I take the bike every day which gets 60+ mpg. I can’t wait for batteries to get lighter and EV bikes to become more popular, I would love to commute to work every day on an electric motorcycle. I have an old naked street bike I blew the transmission out of at 86k miles, I keep thinking about gutting the gas tank and pulling the drivetrain and electrifying it but alas time and money do not yet permit…
And yet, EV prices stubbornly high in North America.
North America has little competition because of the tariffs on everything not made in USA.
AFAIK Canada is getting out of that shadow. I read an article about a month ago, how Canadian imports were routed through USA, and that it stifled EV adoption in Canada.
EV adoption was stifled by MAGA Premieres killing incentives and ripping out public chargers, while giving money to Detroit to keep building shitty trucks and muscle cars.
Meanwhile, to sell EVs in Europe, XPing is getting them made in Austria using Magna, a Canadian company. Why didn’t Carney/Ford insist on this in Ontario?
BYD tried to build buses in Ontario but they were so shit they had to close the plant and pay a bunch of lawsuits. And BYD is hurting, they just laid off 100,000 worldwide.
Wow interesting I didn’t know that, I’ve heard that China has too many car makers, and some of them would have to go. So this is probably just the beginning of an adjustment for Chinese makers.
This is actually one of the very few places that US tariffs make sense. (Not from a consumer perspective of course, but from a nationalist industry protection point of view.) The rest of the tariffs the US places are silly because there isn’t much other manufacturing in the US to protect.
Nope. Tariffs reduce competition and you end up with a shitty local option that just costs more and sales die anyway.
Oil dependency is a national security issue for a lot of countries, tariffs on EVs have really backfired here while also increasing climate change
Not really if you want fair competition.
It’s not fair competition if labor standards are far lower in the country being imported from.
Absolutely correct, we don’t want a competition based on social dumping or highest subsidies.
That’s why you make tariffs to compensate for that like the EU does, but EU has higher standards than USA, and is hit by tariffs in USA anyway, and although China has state subsidies, the 150% tariff doesn’t make the competition fair, it simply excludes any car made in China from being sold in USA.
Why would the US want fair competition?
Like I said, the consumers do not benefit from the tariffs, the nation does.
Because US businesses will only compete and innovate if you force them. Leave them safe behind ramparts of protective trade policies, and they’ll keep coasting on 1990s technology, as the country as a whole slowly becomes a backwater.
No the nation doesn’t, it just degrades into further noncompetitiveness, and increased consumer prices.
Short term tariffs can allow domestic manufacturing to reach the design and scale to be competitive without tariffs. This was, in theory, the idea behind the 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs. Of course, none of the American auto manufacturers are doing anything with that leeway other than continuing to be terrible.
You are 100% correct that this is the general idea, the problem is that USA actually had a head start with Tesla, (as painful as it is to me to admit.)
Now the lack of competition will only result in the loss of the lead USA had until just a few years ago.
Of course Nazi Musk and Nazi Trump undermine American exports, and no amount of US tariffs can compensate for that.
Does the nation benefit when there’s no benefits like health care for the citizens?
There are plenty of EVs below the median price Americans are paying for new cars ~$50k. People aren’t buying EVs because they don’t like them / the dealerships aren’t pushing them, not the price as they’re willing to shell out even more for a top of the line pickup.
If only prices were related to costs … 😄
I of course looked into used EV but…there’s nothing to buy used. You can only get shit with less than 80kW batteries for under $15k in Canada. Think 2006 - 2015 models with high mileage so even less range.
What size of car are you looking at?
Chevy Bolt has a 60kWh and will go over 200km in the winter and closer to 400km in the summer.
Lots of them around 15k CAD. Price has been creepying up in the last few weeks. I need to grab one myself.
I can’t be picky about make/model at all. Here’s the options as of posting for my entire province:
https://www.kijiji.ca/b-cars-trucks/alberta/electric/c174l9003a166?for-sale-by=ownr&price=0__15000&view=list
I’m unwilling to deal with scum car lot dealers if I can help it, but these guys who are a 4 hour drive one way away ftom me are anither option:
https://www.goelectricyyc.com/
Keep in mind battery degradation and -30% range in winter here.
Almost all Bolts should have newish batteries or a stupid long warranty on the battery.
Degradation is not really a thing on thermally managed batteries, IE only as issue on the Nissan Leaf and the eGolf to lesser extend.
Lots of Bolts in Quebec if you are willing to have one shipped. ($1000-2000).
I really regret not getting one a year or two ago when their value was sort of tanked.
Ouf my subaru + jeep + dual sport and cruiser combined cost less than the cheapest POS GM ev used i need AWD + snow tires to make it up the mountain passes here in the winter, and when it’s more than free ing out I take the bike every day which gets 60+ mpg. I can’t wait for batteries to get lighter and EV bikes to become more popular, I would love to commute to work every day on an electric motorcycle. I have an old naked street bike I blew the transmission out of at 86k miles, I keep thinking about gutting the gas tank and pulling the drivetrain and electrifying it but alas time and money do not yet permit…
Also, have you bought 9volt batteries recently? Batteries are NOT cheaper in the real world in any use case in my experience.
And the options are still not great.