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DHS was created in direct response to the 9/11 attacks. It is an agency that was created with the goal of coordinating efforts and information sharing between multiple other agencies so that we don’t miss the signs of a terror attack again. But, as many people predicted at the time, that mission has been blurred and subverted. We now have a massively bloated and over-funded agency that acts like it is in control of all the other agencies it was meant to coordinate, without any real mandate to give them such authority. I’m in favor of getting rid of them altogether.
John Oliver, who has his own problems, does a really good breakdown on how the original idea got spun so far out of the intentions. Essentially its exactly what you said below in a nice 20 minute video. Good stuff.
What are John Oliver’s problems? I haven’t heard any controversies as of late. Other than the Paramount Skydance thing, of course.
No no its more that he does a really good job of trying to present “both sides” (understanding some of those arguments are complete bullshit) but sometimes doesnt spend enough time either debunking or recognizing valid arguments.
I say that agreeing with his general point on a lot of stuff.
Any specific examples? Asking out of legit curiosity
Have they found ANYTHING in the 13 YEARS they have been in operation?
That one guy with a shoe was stopped by a customer, not DHS.
We could have fed children in schools. Think of the children.
Only 13? I thought it started after 9/11.
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) began operations on March 1, 2003, after being established by the Homeland Security Act of 2002.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Homeland_Security
That’s 23 years, not 13
Sshhh… I was basking in the relative calm of the Obama years for a moment.
Sorry, you are correct. Pre-coffee typing.
When it’s an agency that’s about prevention, the lack of terrorism incidents is not really a failure on their part. All the security theatre nonsense is obviously wasteful but that is a different point.
Prevent WHAT?
Something that already happened? The FBI knew about the hijackers. They LET it happen.
We’ve already fixed the problem with secure cockpit doors. There is no need to pat down grandma on her way to Disneyland.
Prevention of terrorist attacks is the point. Having no terror attacks doesn’t mean there would be none without them. As I said , security theatre, patting down grandma, is not the success. I’d be inclined to listen to the experts. However, I’m worried this administration no longer has any.
No, not really. Their name “homeland security” has always been a little too nazi-1984-ish sounding for me. The Federal Emergency Management people and programs are sometimes useful though.
Only when it’s properly funded. But we can do that.
Make an exception for FEMA and throw the rest out.
FEMA predates DHS. It got rolled intoit post 9/11.
The Coast Guard also got moved under DHS.
Which is weird since you’d think it’d be under the national guard.
I’d add some aspects of CBP as well, but drastically reducing their scope to strictly export control of goods. They do important work with shipping, licensing, and trade with other countries. This can be very important to researchers and universities working with international organizations or in international waters.
I know they have a very well deserved bad rep, however, some of the things they do are important. Maybe even just peeling away their export control and agricultural work to a separate entity then chucking the rest of it out.
We never needed DHS, it was always a Conservative surveillance program.
No. It was always pork and did absolutely nothing to make us “safer”
Typical Republican playbook. Infiltrate all government institutions, run them into the ground, and point at their failures and say the government can’t do shit.
Are you trying to defend DHS? You do realize it was created by Republicans right? George W. Bush created it taking advantage of the panic following 9/11. It’s an entirely redundant organization whose function can be met by the existing institutions that were doing the various jobs prior to it being formed. ALL of the legislation that was passed as a result of 9/11 needs to be repealed, and that includes the creation of the DHS.
Not exactly defending it, just stating the Republican playbook. It’s why we can’t have nice things.
Yeah but in this case they weren’t actually trying to starve the beast. They just really suck that much at governance.
No
Not JustICE is the most accurate headline ever.
No. Tear it all down and create something that actually helps make people safe.
“You don’t need it, WE need it.”
Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.
Someone Lemmy hates.
