PieFed has a social credit score and has maliscious code that will tell you one thing while doing another:
If your account has less than 100 Social Credit Score and is newly created, you are not considered “trustworthy” and there are limitations placed on what your account can do.
If your Social Credit Score is at -10 you cannot downvote, you can’t create new DMs and It flags your account automatically so other people can see your shame.
PieFed uses a hard coded list to rank an instances’ defederation list for its quality. If an instance doesn’t defederate from what Rimu decided the instances stated quality goes down. Ironically none of the paedo instances are on Rimu’s list and in fact tolerates a porn instance that has “jailbait” IYKYK
There are some accusations floating around that he is a vibecoder now so stay away imo
Sources?
dev politics and dev opinions. Pick whichever you like it doesn’t matter.
Kbin is dead Mbin is the successor, both have lemmy (reddit-like) and mastodon (twitter-like) capabilities. You can submit a “tweet” and a “post” from the same platform and browse both lemmy and mastodon content.
Lemmmy is the activitypub version of reddit. PieFed is Lemmy but with the ability to see all comments and cross-posts of the same link or post, all collapsed into a single post and single thread to scroll through.
Beehaw deserves its own mention because of how cut off it is from the rest of the fediverse, its its own little walled garden, protected from all the baddies out there in the world.
All the rest is just drama surrounding the devs of all the platforms, and either their questionable political views (lemmy) or their questionable platform moderation views (piefed). So the platforms keep splintering as well as the instances on each platform. Which is a good thing its part of the fun of the fediverse.
Piefed is Lemmy with cross-posts collapsed to one thread, and controversial developers (moderation defaults)
Would love to hear which moderation defaults of PieFed are so controversial. Your phrasing seems to indicate that Lemmy developers support for Putin and Xi Jinping is no more controversial than Piefed developers’ preference to silence trolls and fascists.
https://lemmy.world/post/41022485
https://piefed.social/post/956553
“Due to feedback from a wider audience than before, some of the idiosyncratic features that I built because of my personal obsessions have been made optional and OFF by default, such as the 4chan meme filter, meme communities being flagged as ‘low quality’ and so on”
The piefed dev made some biased decisions, owned up to their mistakes, fixed it, but lost the trust of many users.
The fact that they are implemented in a code level is scary. Even though I disagree with the political views of the Lemmy Devs, the controversial views aren’t reflected in the product they coded, whereas in pie.fed it’s hard coded. Like, why not let instance admins configure those moderation things? Last I read about it there were some filters hard coded in the code that not even admins were able to change if they didn’t change the code itself.
If the default can be changed now, cool. It’s still pretty scary that it’s an opt out feature that had to be changed from forced to opt out though. Again, as much I disagree with the political views of Lemmy Devs, those views didn’t leak into the code of their product. How they moderate ml and such is another thing, I am talking about the code itself.
Again, what exactly are you talking about?
The lead developer recently started a thread in the Piefed meta community specifically to open for people to ask questions about these things. In full:
I have received word that there are people combing through the PieFed code looking for anything that might be harmful. This is excellent and can only make PieFed better and less harmful. We appreciate their interest in PieFed and look forward to answering any questions and showing people around the code. Please join us at https://chat.piefed.social or https://matrix.to/#/#piefed-developers:matrix.org.
There’s no need to listen to rumors and amateur speculation when we’re right here and happy to help. Come on in, the water’s fine!
Nobody managed to come up with an even remotely critical question there.
If you have an issue, ask in !piefed_meta@piefed.social. If the community agrees your concern is valid I can guarantee you it’ll be addressed.
PieFed also does flairs iirc
Also multi-communities is a pretty central feature. A list of differences with Lemmy is maintained here.
Multi communities are coming in the Lemmy 1.0 soon-ish.
That sounds pretty PieFed good. What’s a good android app to access the pie?
Voyager
Interstellar, Blorp, and Summit on Android can all use Piefed instances.
I use blorp. It works well and seems to have active devs.
Blorp only has 1 dev (for now), but if you interested in contributing, don’t be a stranger! And let me know if there’s anything I can do to make Blorp better for you.
Do note that Mbin can see crossposts too if the client app (e.g. Interstellar) implements it
The dev of Lemmy is an asshole full stop. He’s also incredibly pro Russian and pro Chinese, but first and foremost, he’s an intolerable asshole.
You’ll get banned from his Lemmy instance if you dare to suggest that Russia or China issue propaganda.
Piefed has tools to help spot and remove AI content, and you can react to posts with emojis
Kbin is pure kbin, made by Ernest, who is lovely but sick. Can browse lemmy/kbin/mbin content.
Mbin is kbin but with forked updates and frontend changes.
Lemmy can browse kbin/mbin/lemmy content. Created by Davel and nutomic.
Piefed, im not sure about. Very different interface and sorting.
It seems Ernest recovered, and just decided to step away!
Unfortunately, due to personal circumstances, I had to step away from actively working on Kbin and leave its further development to the community. Nevertheless, I am happy to see the project thriving, with a dedicated group of users and contributors who continue to push its vision forward.
Open-source has always been important to me, and while I am no longer involved with Kbin, I still believe in the power of community and the potential of open technologies to shape the future of the internet.
All work with the activitypub protocol and are interoperable. There are others which are more like microblogging instead of post aggregation, like mastodon.
Lemmy is the most popular but the dev has some strongly held ideological views which… are unusual. I’d prefer not to support their work on that basis.
Piefed is IMO a direct alternative to Lemmy. I switched to piefed several months ago and there’s nothing missing. On mobile I just use a browser to access my instance’ web page. It’s fine.
mbin and kbin aren’t viable alternatives for most users.
Not each lemmy instance has political admins. It is like a room full of different people, among which there are science groups too.
You don’t seem to understand.
The guy who develops the software that runs on all the instances has strongly held political and societal views which are incompatible with mine.
I am aware of it. But his software is being used by other people who create instances that don’t support his political and social views. I find it rather amusing.
You’re welcome to be amused.
Lemmy aside, if a developer was a fascist, or paedophile, or murderer, would you use their software?
So you hold that ReiserFS instantly became evil when Hans Reiser murdered his wife, even-though ReiserFS was a filesystem, developed by multiple people … too?
There is a Principle, which the US Marines hold to:
nazis made more-protective helmets for their troops?
Steal the design, don’t accept their doctrine.
Someone made a better truck than we did?
Steal the design, don’t accept their doctrine.
That’s an excellent paradigm: differentiate between the technology vs the ideology.
People who hold that ideology is the whole of reality … do profoundly-idiotic things like insist “you can’t impliment efficiency, because the last person who pushed it was a nazi”.
Using an ideologue’s software to displace ideology, absolutely is valid use.
Same with any technology, like the barter-replacement called “money”: some uses are evil, others good, & some turn it into a religion, & many insist that because some make it a religion, therefore it “inherently” is a religion, & no other relationship with it could ever be valid…
Same with the technology of a “business”, by incorporating it as a Public Benefit Company, & operating it that way, even-though other corporations are operating as anti-benefit/anti-public companies.
The technology is itself, the origin is itself: they are independently themselves.
As Torvalds identified, once you release something in GPL-2, the community can’t have it taken-away from them: it’s theirs.
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So you hold that ReiserFS instantly became evil when Hans Reiser murdered his wife, even-though ReiserFS was a filesystem, developed by multiple people … too?
Text book straw man, well done.
As I said, a person’s work is tainted by their beliefs, or in this case actions. Reiser’s work is obviously “tainted” as you’ve mentioned it here in this context.
Whether or not a person should continue to use the file system he developed is of course something each individual needs to weigh and decide for themselves. I note however that Reiser is not publishing essays on the art of murdering ones wife, and did not develop his filesystem with the intent of using it to host a community of murderers.
As I also said, using the software is tacit support. It’s not possible to steal the design and reject the doctrine. If you use firefox or libreoffice you support mozilla and or the document foundation. If you drive a tesla that you bought second hand you support Elon Musk
If this is a good software(that doesn’t have spying or security flaws) and they give it for free, then yes. Why not? Person may be a garbage but their work can be good.
Why not?
Because some people don’t like fascists/tankies to succeed at what they do. This shouldn’t need explaining.
Obviously, because using their software is tacit or implied support for that person.
How many millions of people would say they “support” mozilla when really the only support they provide is using the free software.
A person’s work is quite obviously tainted by their beliefs.
In the minds of the politically-motivated, maybe.
Not all minds are politically-motivated.
The blunt fact that people are multidimensional, & some are high-integrity-in-work while being low-integrity-in-business, or are excellent-woodworkers-while-being-family-abusers … what a person is in 1 dimension oft has nothing to do with what they are in another.
Ideologues who insist otherwise are living within their ideology, not within actuality.
Spiders may creep many out, while their silk is one of the most astonishingly-awesome materials known.
their silk doesn’t itself creep people out…
but maybe ideologues hold that it has to be creepy because to them spiders themselves are creepy…
Cult-“thinking”.
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Unless the dev of kbin returns, it’s best to just forget it and think of mbin instead.
They’re all really similar but the difference is updawg
What’s that?
Not much, what’s up with – oh wait
