And when they perform raids, they should be required to shout “This is a F.A.C.T. jack”! Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Counterpoint: Neither of those organizations should exist at all.
Yea, they take up too much funding that could be used for other orgs!
…wait a minute
hah, I read that as “other drugs” and was confused to your point.
Cops are always power tripping. Would be good to have less law junkies.
Yea, useful ones like medicare and social services, right?! … right…?
Woah there buddy, if you want housing, food and healthcare, go get incarcerated like everyone else.
You misspelt join the military.
It’s honourable to escape poverty by being a paid killer.
Less than 15% of the military see actual combat.
Most people end up in a support role that helps facilitate paid killers.
I don’t think CIA_chatbot agrees with you
Orgies! Yeah!
I knew a guy a long time ago who said “Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should not be a branch of the government. It should be a convenience store.”
Not that I agreed with him, but it was an amusing and unexpected take.
Its still illegal at a federal level and I don’t see that changing any time soon. You can’t smoke your pot and work for the government.
While it doesn’t work as well with or as your joke, the ATF is actually now the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. So we need to add the E as well and we can spell FACET, which is less fun. Or use M for Marijuana and spell FMEAT.
Combine Weed and Tobacco into “Smoking” and make it SAFE
Where is the C coming from? Firearms, Alcohol, C, Explosives, Tobacco?
Cannabis.
Sure thing that “legalized everywhere” you talk about:
They mentioned the ATF. It was explicitly US centric and while a bit hyperbolic it is becoming more common there.
You mean ATF as in the automatic transmission fluid? No it was not explicitly US centric. You thinking a three letter acronym has to be about the US is just further evidence of the same assumption being the basis for all your thoughts.
That’s a you problem. You need to learn to Google stuff in context. “ATF” alone might not tell you what it is, but you had “cannabis” and “dea” as 2 other keywords you could’ve used. That’s like putting “right” in Google translate and complaining that it sucks because it gave you the word for “just” instead of the opposite of “left”
As if I did not use a search engine to find the result about automatic transmission fluid just to make a point. Funny you try to belittle me for not being able to understand what the post wrote when what actually happened here was that my point went straight over your head. To put it in plain words for you: I understand the post is about the US. OP talks like the US is everything, like many people from the US do, and the stupidity of it is tiring.
I got your point. You pretended to be dumb to make it, good job. And now you’re pretending to be a victim because I pointed out that using Google wrong is not op’s fault. Me explaining how to Google is not “belittling”. Didn’t call you any names or anything.
Back on point: I actually agree with the base idea that many people from the US talk as if they’re the center of the universe and everyone should know what they’re talking about, but c’mon… Let’s not pretend that we’re not watching films and series made there and we don’t know what ATF and DEA are. Make these points when they’re valid, not every time an American speaks.
Maybe OP is incredibly imperialist and wants the ATF to police weed use everywhere on the world.
Unfortunately it still falls under schedule 1. Even if states legalize it the federal government still considers it the same danger as heroin.
Don’t get me wrong. It shouldn’t be but until we get a federal law changing that then it’s still going to fall under DEA.
And unfortunately, the scheduling is determined by none other than the DEA itself. So I wouldn’t hold my breath on them forfeiting funding and purview over of anything as trivial as medical research or the will of the people. At least not easily or without some other political quid pro quo.
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DEA ultimately has final say though. And we are definitely living in tumultuous if not unprecedented times.
Technically, all times are unprecedented since we don’t repeat years!
The times we’re living in? Definitely tumultuous, definitely not unprecedented. Political strife? There are obvious comparisons being made with the 1930s or the 1850s. Covid? The Spanish flu ravaged the world a century ago. Drug legalization? How about the end of Prohibition?
It turns out that a lot of people really just like shouting “unprecedented” because it makes their speech sound more dramatic.
Well, there’s more people now then ever. The environment is either at or past an irreversible tipping point. Every year being either the coldest, the hottest, the wettest, or the driest in recorded time. We have too much CO2 and not enough potable water. The ice caps are melting, the choral is bleaching, the sea is rising, and bugs are on the ropes. We’ve got fascism problems in basically every country simultaneously. Not to mention there is frank discussion about not whether or not there are aliens, but what about them should be declassified and discussed with the public. Our terrestrial telescopes can’t see shit because of the sheer volume of satellites blanketing the night sky. And we’ve got cascading humanitarian crisis being captured in high definition and beamed to our 24 hour pocket sized global information machines, but all anyone seems to care about is what genitals you pledge allegiance to.
There may be precedents for these times, but they are the type of precedents that immediatly precede a global cataclysms. If anything your average person is not being dramatic enough.
climate change, tipping point
Yeah, fair point. The bit about “coldest, hottest, wettest, driest” is pure BS, though. I need receipts if you honestly believe that, but I think it’s just an ill-considered rhetorical flourish.
fascism problems
Definitely not unprecedented.
aliens
OK, now you’ve lost me. I’m not terribly interested in going into conspiracy-theory land.
The 10 warmest years in the historical record have all occurred since 2010.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature
In July, David Grusch, a former intelligence official, testified that the U.S. government was holding nonhuman bodies taken from U.F.O. crash sites, that the military is misusing funds to cover up a “U.A.P. crash retrieval and reverse engineering program,” and that people had been injured in efforts to conceal these operations. He also alleged retaliation from his superiors for previously making similar claims. The Pentagon has denied the allegations.
On Friday, some lawmakers saw tantalizing hints in Mr. Monheim’s presentation that there might have been something to Mr. Grusch’s claims and, while the rules of a classified briefing barred them from actually repeating what they had learned, they suggested the inspector general had found some of the claims credible. Which ones? No one would say.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/12/us/politics/ufos-aliens-classified-briefing.html
Sounds like a good time to withhold funding ☺️
It’s only under schedule 1 for now. The HHS told the DEA to remove it, so it’s only a matter of time now.
Fun fact, while working “the season” in NorCal before it was legalized (when it was still crazy lucrative to do so), the ATF and CAMP were the ones raiding the farms, not the DEA.
Mainly because of the lack of ATF oversight and their FUCKING MASSIVE operations budget.
If people really understood what they have done in the past, that agency would be dissolved overnight.
I don’t even understand why those 3 things are together in the first place. None of those things go together in any kind of way I can think of that there would be an organization dedicated to them.
Dip, beer and guns go together like “peas and carrots”
Either hhs or fda.
Speaking of HHS (from NYT):
Marijuana is neither as risky nor as prone to abuse as other tightly controlled substances and has potential medical benefits, and therefore should be removed from the nation’s most restrictive category of drugs, federal scientists have concluded.
The recommendations are contained in a 250-page scientific review provided to Matthew Zorn, a Texas lawyer who sued Health and Human Services officials for its release and published it online on Friday night. An H.H.S. official confirmed the authenticity of the document.
But sadly
Last month, Michael D. Miller, a Justice Department official, defended the D.E.A.’s prerogative in making the final decision on the administration’s position.
“D.E.A. has the final authority to schedule, reschedule, or deschedule a drug under the Controlled Substances Act, after considering the relevant statutory and regulatory criteria and H.H.S.’s scientific and medical evaluation,” he wrote in a letter to Representative Earl Blumenauer, an Oregon Democrat who has pushed the D.E.A. to reconsider marijuana.
I see no motivation for the DEA to voluntarily forfeit power and money just because it’s the right thing to do. Also think of career DEA guys’ pride and ego. They are not going to easily admit they’ve been wrong and that their rhetoric has been overheated for the past 50 years.
I don’t want the FDA involved considering how they fucked with vaping.
Yes
If you’ve ever had to deal with the ATF you know why this is a magnificently terrible idea.
FDA all the way.
Who is Jack?
Everywhere? DEA? ATF? I really didn’t miss reddit’s US defaultism
nope. It should be regulated by each state. The federal government should just back off.
Or, we could stop pretending that a plant is harmful to society instead of using it as an excuse to put brown people in prison.
