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14 billions for Israel, 100 millions for Palestine… That’s a 140 ratio. Who’s the distressed population Joe?
Bullets are a lot more expensive than bandages most of the time.
(Edit: that is not to say that this is a reasonable allocation of resources in this situation. The appropriate ratio would be zero bullets and a couple dozen new, fully equipped hospitals and several hundred well-stocked kitchens.)
Aw, I have three weapons for Israel and no UN aid. Why can’t I have no weapons for Israel and three UN aid?
That’s because UNWRA isn’t the UN. Really the UN should have sent proper members there instead of making a special case and creating the UNWRA in the first place.
UNRWA is part of the UN, same as UNHCR. It’s development and continuation separate to UNHCR has to do with denying Palestinians Right of Return. The most recent false accusations are used by Israel to futher destroy and cripple any aid infrastructure for Gaza. To intentionally force millions to suffer from famine, disease, and dehydration.
https://academic.oup.com/rsq/article/28/2-3/229/1584825
https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/features/exploding-myths-unrwa-unhcr-and-palestine-refugees
https://books.google.com/books?id=80j612aFo_4C&q=UNRWA+"jewish+refugees"+1952&pg=PA12
I mean, you’re right in that they are a separate legal entity from the UN General Assembly, but they are a subsidiary body of it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRWA
“UNRWA was established in 1949 by the UN General Assembly (UNGA) to provide relief to all refugees resulting from the 1948 conflict. It also provided relief to Jewish and Arab Palestine refugees inside the State of Israel following the 1948 conflict until the Israeli government took over responsibility for them in 1952.[7][8][9] As a subsidiary body of the UNGA, UNRWA’s mandate is subject to periodic renewal every three years; it has consistently been extended since its founding, most recently until 30 June 2026.[10]”
That is factually incorrect.
If he doesn’t win election, I want his stans to remember this and understand that he threw it. He, or at least his staff, must know what a historically unpopular policy this is.
The dems clearly aren’t as excited about beating Trump as their voters are.
They’ll just blame the voters, like they already do.
The Dems have invested everything into Biden so they can’t change their ship, and the stans can’t admit there is any flaws, so it must be everyone else that is wrong.
I don’t know where you guys see it, but I never see any stans for Biden who can’t admit his flaws like we see with Trump supporters. The only support I see for Biden is for the general election, not for him or his policies overall. I only see people being critical of Biden but saying we need to vote for him anyway. As bad as it is, there is no Palestine with Trump, there’s possibly no democracy with Trump, there’s only likely a lot of suffering for the regular people with Trump.
I see it everywhere. I’d name drop but can’t “attack the user” in this community or whatever the rule is.
It’s almost at maga levels with these people. Any criticism of Biden is met with “Why do you want Trump to win”, “Bidens policies have been so good but no one knows about them”, or “The president can’t just do things”. I always see zero willingness to admit his huge flaws and only deflection.
Sometimes we hold our nose and vote. Because the alternative is so deeply problematic our moral judgement of one is dwarfed by the moral and practical horror of the other.
We did that already.
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Because literal Genocide isn’t “deeply problematic”.
It would be happening in more places, more aggressively with a President Trump.
Sometimes we don’t make excuses for enabling genocide, but I guess that moral and practical horror is a-okay to some.
Not voting against Trump is enabling even more genocide and the end of some women and minority rights so don’t pretend like you’ve got the moral high ground if your refuse to vote because of the Democrats stance on Israel.
They absolutely have the moral highground. Fuck a president that enables genocide and funds it. Saying “oh don’t be a single issue voter!” when the issue is “stop mass killings of people with a single phone call” is so out of this world, it’s just insane.
Time for a third party, plain and simple.
Ok, those aren’t the same thing as supporting him. I will admit I don’t care for his policies, but they have been better than I expected, which is something. Also, yeah the president doesn’t have the power to do that much alone. It requires congress to play a role, which the democrats don’t have enough control in to do. Those are extremely valid things to say, and you can say them while still being critical of Biden. It sounds like you want people to only be critical of him, which is just as bad as only supporting him. We need to understand there’s more beyond the one man or we will fail.
I’m sorry, but defending someone from criticism and saying their policies are super amazing isn’t supporting them?
Saying they’re amazing is, but that’s not what you said they said.
Defending can be, but it isn’t necessarily. I’ll defend a lot of people or things that people are attacking for no reason. That said, defending someone from a legitimate critique is usually done out of support, but still sometimes it’s done out of a feeling of necessity.
I’ve seen it all over the place. Usually in the form of the narcissist’s prayer too.
Well, trump was the best thing to happen to democratic fundraising ever. So. They have an incentive to see him win.
Media ratings too. Every single outlet that plays on TV would love a Trump victory because it makes people pay attention who would otherwise not watch any news.
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Yeah, no. Israel doesn’t equal Jewish people.
If the dems lose this, and they probably will, they’ll pull out their usual playbook and blame everyone but themselves.
Dems lose, blame voters, move rightward, repeat. At some point they themselves will be fascists and their supporters will urge everyone to vote for the ‘softer’ fascist. They see no issue in continuing this cycle and pledging their votes with no conditions or red lines, exactly like how Biden funds Israel. Why expect them to do what you want if youve signaled you’ll never leave their side?
If only we voted for a party that didn’t abuse us like this.
And then will you be happy when Trump doubles the Israel fund and starts arming Russia against Ukraine?
We all fully understand that. Well, most intelligent enough people do. Sure, there are some very vocal leftists calling for a boycott to the vote (as is the custom, so nothing new), but most of us know—even with leftist views—that we need to keep trump away from office. We will all just pull the lever for Biden because we have no other choice. It’s a shitty, unappealing and massively problematic choice. But we all know trump will be 10x worse on everything we have a problem with Biden doing. Not to mention, all the trans people, gay people, etc.
But that doesn’t equate to enthusiastic support for Biden. Because we all disapprove. Doesn’t mean we all don’t realize we have to vote for him. We’re just not democrats or Biden fans, so we complain.
But the other side of that coin is that this kind of shit will stop a not insignificant portion of people from voting for him, not understanding what another trump presidency means. Because there are a lot of performative leftists who think holding up an “well I didn’t vote for him” badge is something to be proud of…while LGBTQIA+ people are pushed back into the shadows, sent to conversion therapy, can’t get healthcare, etc. Doing shit like this will turn those people off. And it’s understandable—in a way. Because how can you justify lending your support to someone supporting genocide? Is it really noble to vote blue while they actively aid in the slaughter of Palestinians? Or while they treat immigrants like shit or keep arming police departments to the teeth with war machines and keep passing pro-surveillance laws and working with private equity and participating in every corporatist neoliberal tradition that sickens us all?
Well, it’s the basic concept of harm reduction. Not voting doesn’t help anyone but the non-voter because they get to hop on that high horse any time something goes wrong. It’s an insanely privileged choice, and actually will end up hurting a lot of people if trump wins. That’s the opposite of harm reduction. For example, making drugs legal and handing out free, clean needles, you’re technically supporting people’s destructive addictions. But you’re reducing the harm that inevitable presence of addiction can bring. It’s a good thing to do.
Even if it makes us sick to vote for Biden, neglecting to keep trump from the levers of power is so insanely self-destructive and harmful to vulnerable people and maybe even literally a mistake we will never, ever right. We have a desperate climate emergency on our hands. Four years (if we can actually get him out of office after that) of trump climate policy will literally kill us all.
I love how I called out that you absolute shitheels love blaming everyone else when the dems trip on their own dicks and hand victory to someone like Trump, and your immediate reaction is to blame me for pointing it out.
Do you understand what’s happening here? Are you able to look at your own behaviour? Did you even understand what I said?
Biden is gonna get slaughtered in November. It might even be the final nail in the coffin for American democracy. All because Joe here couldn’t not enthusiastically fund a genocide occurring in plain sight.
All because Joe here couldn’t not enthusiastically fund a genocide occurring in plain sight.
Absolving Republicans of all their nasty anti-democratic behavior is disgusting. Anyone voting for Trump is actively pursuing the downfall of America. Anyone who doesn’t vote at all deserves the blame too.
I haven’t seen a single leftist say they’re going to vote for Trump but I’ve seen like 100,000 liberals saying enabling genocide isn’t a big issue and to vote blue no matter who. Maybe stop nagging leftists and start doing the bare fucking minimum to appeal to voters who don’t like actual fucking genocide.
Genocide is a big deal but what the fuck is not voting going to do to fix it? If anything, trump will give Israel more shit and also dismantle US democracy whole he’s at it
No one on the left is voting for Trump! We all know what happens to leftists under fascism. Read the “First they came…” poem. We’re fucking first.
I am saying to stop nagging leftists and start focusing on suburban moms or whomever. Leftists upset about mass slaughter are never why Democrats lose. It’s people upset about grocery bills and shit like that.
There’s not a single literate leftist who doesn’t understand that centrists will ultimately sell us out to make a deal with the devil that is fascism. That’s how it’s gone in every country where fascism took hold. It’s part of the process and we know we’ll have to be the resistance.
No one even expect centrists to do the right thing when push comes to shove. But quit nagging leftists on the way. We’re really not the problem in this situation.
“We are fucking first” when talking about voting for a man who literally funds genocide with billions of dollars. Amazing. The “first” you are talking about are the Palestinians. It’s obvious that the US politicians don’t give a fuck and would rather see them killed.
And the reason Hamas in in power in Palestine is because Bibi was so afraid of the leftwing alternative that he funded Hamas himself to take them down. So yes, they come for the left first.
If anything, trump will give Israel more shit and also dismantle US democracy whole he’s at it
Why are you so sure about that? Isn’t Trump Putin’s puppet? Doesn’t Putin support Hamas?
Why would Trump go against the wishes of his puppetmaster, Putin?
Nobody is absolving the Republicans of being evil little shits. We just aren’t going to stand for Biden following them down that road.
Careful, any criticism of biden automatically makes you a trump supporter.
That’s how tribalism works.
Oh I know. I’ve been on the receiving end of “(insert noun) sympathizer” many a time.
I’d say anyone who supports Trump or Biden is actively pursuing the downfall of America.
They’re both just looking out for different rich people.
What democracy? The majority have been asking for a ceasefire for months. Both parties act against the will of the people. Let it fall.
I’m all for allowing the US ruling class’s system to fail, but we need to be careful what form we “allow” that fall to take.
There are a lot of very vulnerable people we need to consider before calling for a complete collapse of the fed through the installation of a wanna-be dictator.
Eventually backing the Dems will backfire. Look at a few things Biden as done in his term. They are becoming more and more right-wing every election.
- Agreed to Republican border plan
- Funds genocide and white supremacy
- Didn’t bring back Abortion rights
- Black kids still getting shot by police
- Housing still expensive
- Food still expensive
Either vote third party or Trump’s America becomes real (even if it takes a future Democrat or Republican to do it).
Vote for progressives in the primaries. Voting third party does nothing but help speed toward fascism. Our first past the post elections make voting for third parties cause the person you least want to win.
How are we not already on that path? The young people are even starting to give up. The job market is garbage, houses are unaffordable, health care is getting worse. When did all of you let the media trick you into not voting for a better future? It’s not like all negative human traits will cease to be the moment Trump dies…
What’s better? Being on a path to a brick wall while going 60mph or being on that path while going 10mph? One gives you a pretty good opportunity to swerve and avoid slamming into the wall.
The job market outside of tech is largely fine (I can very much vouch for how shitty it still is in that sector) and is better than it has historically been. Housing is indeed unaffordable and local efforts clearly are not cutting it. I grew up in a time when insurance companies could simply stop paying for your Healthcare because you reached the lifetime maximum coverage. They could also refuse to give you coverage if you had a pre-existing condition. That forced many people to stay stuck in the same job for fear that a major health issue you or a family member had would make you ineligible for future coverage. We are at the highest level of insurance coverage we have ever had at the moment. It can certainly be better by simply having Medicare for All but that is still some progress at least.
When voting, you vote for the best possible future. Someone from the Green Party has zero chance (Jill Stein also sucks) so you vote for the possible candidate that is closest to a party like that. There are at least starting to be some changes in voting since Maine and Alaska switched to ranked choice voting. My city also just switched to ranked choice. I know progress can seem horribly slow because it is but quick, large changes often lead to large reactionary responses which also often lead to authoritarianism.
I can list you a host of institutional changes that I would love to see happen that will make what you want possible. For instance, we need to at least double the size of the House and states need to implement proportional representation. That would make voting for a third party candidate actually carry some weight. We obviously also need to make the electoral college worthless by more states passing the National Popular Vote so that no candidate with less that does not have the most votes can win. That is only a start of course because we then need to get rid of the electoral college (difficult since it requires an amendment) and have talked choice nationally.
Said 150 million Americans
Yeah. It’s painfully obvious when the US’ ruling class clashes with its serving class.
They just keep pushing and expect us to roll over and take it. Unfortunately, a lot of us are proud to do just that. I don’t take those people seriously, anymore.
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Genocide…. What a legacy
I rather liked his administration before he became Genocide Joe.
Yeah, he was quite a bit better than Obama before this, in my opinion. I was pleasantly surprised.
Better than Dronebma isn’t much of a high bar.
Same. This has harshed things by more than a little.
That said, he’s getting my vote because my kids deserve democracy.
This is after it turned out that Israel’s accusation was a lie, as is usually the case. This man will go down in November and drag the rest of the world with him.
BDS
Too many pro Israel people in Bidens government.
Such as Biden himself.
It’s the American government, period. Jewish people contribute millions in lobbies and bribes.
Careful there. Lots of American Jews don’t support Israel’s actions. Zionists do, whether they’re Jewish or not.
Right after the UNRWA accusations turn out to be false.
And israel tortured UNRWA employees into making false confessions.
Fuck Biden.
Biden ignoring his own intelligence agencies for foreign propaganda.
Yay.
I thought that was just a trump thing. But nope.
It’s a US politics thing. Everyone that sets foot in the White House has to play ball, they just don’t know it until they get there. It would’ve been interesting to see Bernie react to the reality of things in the highest office, but that’s probably exactly why they never let him in.
Bernie is the only US politician that actually fights for the common man. And the only reason I think he’s still a politician is because he’s got the support of enough people behind him that America’s oligarchy can’t stop him from at least holding some official positions of power and decision making. But I don’t ever see him being president of this nation, and at his age, it’s likely too late now.
You act like biden is forced to be shitty. I dont believe that, hes just shitty. If bernie ever won i do not believe he would cave to such idiotic ideas.
I think your mindset is a little too naive nowadays, especially seeing what both Biden and Obama have been capable of once in office. Very idealistic before getting there, but it must be a hell of a load on their shoulders with no real right answer to many things, based on factors we might not even be aware of. I agree that Bernie might fight back harder, and that’s exactly why I said the easiest solution is for them to not even give him the chance.
Bidens new memoir “How to lose votes and alienate muslims” coming to a store near you soon.
Why are we giving $14b to one of the wealthiest nations in existence?
I’m never voting for an establishment democrat again. I don’t care what the tribalists think. They don’t want to solve these problems, just perpetuate them.
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Perhaps it’s not a “israeli” war? Perhaps if there would be no Gaza this military machine would burn Syria, Lebanon, what ever? Perhaps this is power and money? Perhaps it’s about nothing more?
