Unlike in history, we don’t really lose information anymore. Not trivia about a massively popular fiction like that anyway.
For instance, Homer, the writer of the Iliad and Odyssey, is still well known. He lived almost 3000 years ago. He was known by the ancient Norse as well, so it’s not like it’s one of those things that was lost to history and discovered in the modern age.
But… I guess you might be trying to make a point that maybe by that point there are real light sabers and perhaps even have been for centuries. It’d make it sort of like the origins of the modern taser, which are also in sort of in scifi. Sort of. Loosely.
Jack Cover, a NASA researcher, began developing the first Taser in 1969. By 1974, Cover had completed the device, which he named TASER, using a loose acronym of the title of the book Tom Swift and His Electric Rifle, a book written by the Stratemeyer Syndicate under the pseudonym Victor Appleton and featuring Cover’s childhood hero, Tom Swift
I haven’t watched ads or paid for content in like 15 years. Well, most of the time. I do frequent the movies and that at least is paying for content and there’s no way to adblock the silver screen.
We’ve already lost a ton of media from 30+ years ago due to lack of preservation and obsolete formats. Are there going to be VHS players in 50 years? DVD drives? Ways to play video formats that are now common? How about the impact of streaming and lack of physical media? What about in 300 years? Is such technology guaranteed to survive potential cataclysmic wars?
Yeah, ton of obsolete media. If there’s lack of preservation, there’s probably a reason for it.
I daresay there’s enough copies of Star Wars that they’ll found on hard drives for the unforeseeable future, and even if they weren’t, the story isn’t lost.
I’m sure all the original copies of the Odyssey have long since perished, but I still heard about Odysseus and the Trojan War growing up.
Literally the entire world is aware of Star Wars, more or less.
They might have, and despite being more than a thousand years from the printing press, they would’ve been more or less right.
It’s a myth that the Library of Alexandria was the only collection and all sorts of information was lost. Sure, there were a lot of books that probably didn’t have many, if any, other copies. But for the most part, most of the books in that library had copies in other similar (if not [all] as grand) libraries.
The Library of Alexandria was not the first library of its kind.[3][12] A long tradition of libraries existed in both Greece and in the ancient Near East.[13][3] The earliest recorded archive of written materials comes from the ancient Sumerian city-state of Uruk in around 3400 BC, when writing had only just begun to develop.[14] Scholarly curation of literary texts began in around 2500 BC.
Scholars have interpreted Cassius Dio’s wording to indicate that the fire did not actually destroy the entire Library itself, but rather only a warehouse located near the docks being used by the Library to house scrolls.[88][82][8][90] Whatever devastation Caesar’s fire may have caused, the Library was evidently not completely destroyed.[88][82][8][90]
We still know where the Trojan Horse is from, despite literally thousands of years of culture, stories, translations and a complete lack of printing technology. I also know what the context is for a burning bush.
With our far superior technology, literally global popularity of Star Wars and the fact that we haven’t lost stories of even much smaller scale from much earlier on, how would we ever lose the context of what a lightsaber is?
It would require pretty much the complete destruction of all media and the extinction of most people and if even one of the survivors was even slightly predisposed being a writer…
The amount of junk polluting the internet is growing exponentially. I won’t be surprised if future historians have trouble separating the truth from fiction, shit posts and LLM craps.
We have no form of long term preservation of information any more.
Which keeps better, paper or a hard drive? Exposed to the elements, that is. A literal metal disc or a collection of paper fibers?
The sheer amount of copies of Star Wars in all it’s forms is mind-boggling, and again, literally global. We also have people and institutions dedicated to archiving significant things.
There are very few imaginable situations which would lead to humanity losing the concept of what a light saber is.
Like please, propose one.
This is unlike earlier cultures which stored information on physical media which continue to exist long after the culture that created it is gone.
You’re seriously suggesting cultures 3000 years ago preserved information better than we do? Seriously?
Can you read data off a floppy disk today? How many others can? How many in fifty years can? The point is that left alone our physical media of today is not compatible in the future because you need specialty tools to read it.
Anyone can pickup and read a piece of paper or a rock with carvings in it. The point is that not only does the media need to survive, but the means to make use of it needs to survive as well.
That is the key issue with technology today. Someone needs to keep loving the data from floppy to zip drive to thumb drive to hard drive to whatever is next or it’s lost.
Why on Earth would we lose the ability to read simple magnetic storage?
Yes, I can read data off floppy disk today due to having a floppy drive somewhere in my storage. And even if I didn’t, it’d cost like at most 50 euros to get even a new reader. Get one off Amazon for 20 bucks.
And what data exactly are there on floppy disks that isn’t on other media? Like… globally culturally significant data.
Can you read ancient Greek? I can’t, but I still know about the Trojan Horse. I can’t read Biblical Hebrew, but I know about the ten commandments. How?
Why?
Unlike in history, we don’t really lose information anymore. Not trivia about a massively popular fiction like that anyway.
For instance, Homer, the writer of the Iliad and Odyssey, is still well known. He lived almost 3000 years ago. He was known by the ancient Norse as well, so it’s not like it’s one of those things that was lost to history and discovered in the modern age.
But… I guess you might be trying to make a point that maybe by that point there are real light sabers and perhaps even have been for centuries. It’d make it sort of like the origins of the modern taser, which are also in sort of in scifi. Sort of. Loosely.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser#History
We’ve developed an unfortunate habit of locking it behind paywalls, though.
Which evolves arm in arm with piracy, luckily.
I haven’t watched ads or paid for content in like 15 years. Well, most of the time. I do frequent the movies and that at least is paying for content and there’s no way to adblock the silver screen.
What do they mean I can’t pay in qubluds?!? What else would I pay with?
We’ve already lost a ton of media from 30+ years ago due to lack of preservation and obsolete formats. Are there going to be VHS players in 50 years? DVD drives? Ways to play video formats that are now common? How about the impact of streaming and lack of physical media? What about in 300 years? Is such technology guaranteed to survive potential cataclysmic wars?
There are books
Yeah, ton of obsolete media. If there’s lack of preservation, there’s probably a reason for it.
I daresay there’s enough copies of Star Wars that they’ll found on hard drives for the unforeseeable future, and even if they weren’t, the story isn’t lost.
I’m sure all the original copies of the Odyssey have long since perished, but I still heard about Odysseus and the Trojan War growing up.
Literally the entire world is aware of Star Wars, more or less.
I wonder if this thought was also articulated by librarians at Alexandria.
They might have, and despite being more than a thousand years from the printing press, they would’ve been more or less right.
It’s a myth that the Library of Alexandria was the only collection and all sorts of information was lost. Sure, there were a lot of books that probably didn’t have many, if any, other copies. But for the most part, most of the books in that library had copies in other similar (if not [all] as grand) libraries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria#Historical_background
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria#Decline
No you’re incorrect we lose information in the contextual sense. We need to keep context just as much as we need to keep the information.
Yeah.
We still know where the Trojan Horse is from, despite literally thousands of years of culture, stories, translations and a complete lack of printing technology. I also know what the context is for a burning bush.
With our far superior technology, literally global popularity of Star Wars and the fact that we haven’t lost stories of even much smaller scale from much earlier on, how would we ever lose the context of what a lightsaber is?
It would require pretty much the complete destruction of all media and the extinction of most people and if even one of the survivors was even slightly predisposed being a writer…
The amount of junk polluting the internet is growing exponentially. I won’t be surprised if future historians have trouble separating the truth from fiction, shit posts and LLM craps.
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Which keeps better, paper or a hard drive? Exposed to the elements, that is. A literal metal disc or a collection of paper fibers?
The sheer amount of copies of Star Wars in all it’s forms is mind-boggling, and again, literally global. We also have people and institutions dedicated to archiving significant things.
There are very few imaginable situations which would lead to humanity losing the concept of what a light saber is.
Like please, propose one.
You’re seriously suggesting cultures 3000 years ago preserved information better than we do? Seriously?
Simply untrue.
Can you read data off a floppy disk today? How many others can? How many in fifty years can? The point is that left alone our physical media of today is not compatible in the future because you need specialty tools to read it.
Anyone can pickup and read a piece of paper or a rock with carvings in it. The point is that not only does the media need to survive, but the means to make use of it needs to survive as well.
That is the key issue with technology today. Someone needs to keep loving the data from floppy to zip drive to thumb drive to hard drive to whatever is next or it’s lost.
Why on Earth would we lose the ability to read simple magnetic storage?
Yes, I can read data off floppy disk today due to having a floppy drive somewhere in my storage. And even if I didn’t, it’d cost like at most 50 euros to get even a new reader. Get one off Amazon for 20 bucks.
It’s rather trivial. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_storage
And what data exactly are there on floppy disks that isn’t on other media? Like… globally culturally significant data.
Can you read ancient Greek? I can’t, but I still know about the Trojan Horse. I can’t read Biblical Hebrew, but I know about the ten commandments. How?