Streaming services don’t support artists in any meaningful way.
Instead, buy music for download when it’s available (Bandcamp and the like).
If not possible, just pirate it and buy merchandise or go to a concert. You will bring as much revenue to the artists this way, than listening to them on Spotify for 200 years non stop, and it will be cheaper for you in the end.
I left when I saw how much of our money they gave to Joe Rogan to punch down on trans people. Already paying for YouTube pro for years and finally took advantage of their music app. It’s been great. My car and every Google screen in the house have native support. The only disadvantage is everything from tinder to open source crap I run at home only integrate with Spotify.
Already paying for YouTube pro
lost me in the second half
What open source stuff? Asking for a friend
Home Assistant is the biggest
A “subscriber consent to renew on price increase” law would go a long way
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Looking at you, amazon prime free trial auto renew
Welp, gonna try Tidal tonight.
I switched to TIDAL, for this, for the disgustingly low amount of revenue passed along to artists by Spotify (the entire value of their business), and for the fact that they continue to partner with Rogan after all the disinformation he peddles.
Not a huge proponent of streaming services in general, but some are objectively better than others. Spotify is atrocious. Tidal is a lot better.
they continue to partner with Rogan
They don’t anymore.
Though I am far more concerned with Spotify’s attempts to destroy what is otherwise a last bastion of internet freedom with their exclusive podcasts.
I also switched to Tidal after learning about Spotify’s dystopian future war AI powered killer robot plans. It’s also bullshit how little they pay artists.
I wish Tidal had podcasts, but I’m happy enough with AntennaPod.
My music app not having podcasts is a bonus for me. They really should give users the option and not force it upon you.
I suppose I’m a “content creator”. I write music.
I WISH all my recording gear was free. Fucking hell. The amount of money I’ve wasted in the last 30 years… sheesh.
Free for Spotify. Not for you. They don’t care about you.
Oh dont I know it.
Btw, thank you for creating. It makes my world a little nicer experiencing new art.
🙇
Apple Music pays multiple times more to artists than Spotify.
Tidal pays multiple times more than Apple.
You can influence things with your wallet.
If you can, and they have it on there, buy your favorite albums on Bandcamp, then they are yours forever
I thought that Bandcamp was shutdown?
It has been purchased by EPIC and a large portion of the staff was layed off. But it is still up and you can still buy music there.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/16/23919551/bandcamp-layoffs-epic-songtradr
I dont think so? As far as I can tell, my account still works and I bought an album there the other day.
It looks like the company has been sold around a few times in the last few years and i think its gotten worse, but I honestly cant tell lol
Any good way to transfer playlists?
Tidal now has built-in transfer of playlists, at least from Spotify.
I used Soundiiz and it works pretty good. Gives you an overview after the import so you can see what’s missing or wrong.
I used TuneMyMusic when I moved from Apple to Tidal.
Now this isn’t without its own stupid system.
So to transfer all your music and not just a limited amount you have to sign up to pay for it. Now I’m fine paying a one off fee for this service as it was seamless, what in against it the only options being an annual fee or a recurring payment.
It cost me like £3, maybe less in being lazy. But I had to sign up, do the transfer then immediately cancel. I understand some people might be bougie and use multiple services, but not having a one time fee irked me.
If you go this route, as it is easy as tidal will send you there, please do what I did and send them a complaint afterwards about the ludicrous system and that they should add a one time fee to make it even easier. Heck I would have paid £5 for this as I have so many playlists and liked albums and songs etc.
I mentioned it on here previously and someone alluded to free services but I can’t confirm.
There were apps out there to help with this when I switched from Spotify to Tidal. I can’t remember the name anymore though. It just sucks up all your saved songs and playlists, matches them in the other service then adds them. Almost everything I had moved over without a problem. I do miss the social aspect of Spotify, being able to share links with friends. No one I know has tidal except the people on my family plan. There are services that will turn your song link into a linktree like page with links for Spotify, tidal, YouTube music, deezer, etc., but that’s clunky.
Sharing a track from Tidal will take you to a page that links to the song on multiple platforms. Try this: https://tidal.com/track/68705949?u
That doesn’t help for whole playlists, but it at least helps with sharing with friends
Tidal pays multiple times more than Apple.
On paper. But in practice…
On February 27, 2016, Yesh Music, LLC and John Emanuele from the band The American Dollar launched a $5 million class-action lawsuit that claimed Tidal had to compensate the band for any of the royalty payments accrued from the streaming of the band’s 116 copyrighted songs. The suit also accused Tidal of using faulty numbers to payout artists while also having undercut these same individuals by 35%. A response from Tidal stated that they were indeed fully up to date on all royalties for the group and had removed said intellectual property from their servers.
Hollywood accounting and pirate profiteering undercut what artists would normally be paid.
You can influence things with your wallet.
You can influence how you feel about your consumer habits, but capitalists are still going to capitalize.
I just switched to Tidal, any recent issues?
Not loving the delay in Android Auto but the quality difference is truly night and day.
I hope people just switch to something else or start self-hosting their own music.
AOL profited for over a decade on people who signed up for the service and simply lost track of it, paying month after month for something they’d forgotten they even had.
Crazy that these services can just raise premiums whenever they please without even reaffirming that the customer still wants the service. I guarantee that if you needed to re-verify your account on a price increase, firms with big client pools would never raise their rates again.
And now when you card expires, they just change the expiration date on your existing number a few times until it works to keep the subscription going, and that’s somehow legal.
Does the CVV number on credit cards not change when they’re renewed in the USA? Or can companies still somehow charge cards without an up-to-date CVV?
They sometimes have an agreement to update the card after expiry
Gyms exist solely because of people like that.
Plexamp is better than any other music app I’ve tried.
Finamp for anyone using Jellyfin https://github.com/jmshrv/finamp
Plexamp I’ve only gave subsonic a try. But I’ll look into Plexamp.
iTunes Match is $25/year if you have an iPhone.
Oh so only $100+ a year*
How does $25 become $100+
you need to buy a very expensive phone to “enjoy” the sale
Just another CEO denigrating the work of those who make him rich.
Isn’t this also on the Publishers? They get paid first before the artist.
Spotify is usually reported as one of the worst paying for the artists.
They also don’t distribute the value by time listened, but pool in and award the largest artists (don’t remember the specifics, you might need to look it up).
They were also found/accused of using their auto generated playlists with made-up artists who’s money goes to ‘noone’, just shady stuff.
For anyone out there, I recommend giving Tidal a shot and for podcasts, I recommend a FOSS app called AntennaPod. This is the combo I use myself, I’ve been using Tidal for a bit over two years now and just recently switched to AntennaPod.
AntennaPod is great, I used it for years. I eventually switched to self hosting AudioBookShelf which does audiobooks, ebooks, and podcasts. One main reason was because podcasts more and more yank the old episodes and put them behind a patreon. AudioBookShelf downloads the episodes to your server so you always have them. About 5 months after starting using it another one of my podcasts pulled that stunt and I was super happy to have all of the old episodes still.
I’ll have to keep that in mind, thanks for that. I honestly had no considered some BS like that happening.
Another clueless CEO who doesn’t know what makes his company’s very existence possible.
told them to go fuck themselves and canceled my subscription yesterday. they really didn’t stop to consider just how many options people have for music
I was telling people to try music on spotify and youtube, and then buy it on bandcamp etc. Download a copy. There sometimes comes a time when labels crumble, or streaming sites go bankrupt.
Meanwhile every update makes the app worse
I just download to actually have the songs. No DRM, No Ads, No song getting removed from streaming service… I have 500+ songs downloaded in opus format and it only takes 2.5Gb with many of them being longer than 5 minutes. I don’t know why people keep using these services while they keep saying they hate it because there are so many ads or why they keep paying for DRM (aka. not owning anything)…
Opus at max bitrate is only like 1/4th the size of FLAC. At that point, why not just store it in 10GB while keeping the full quality?
That definitely makes sense, maybe I should do that… thanks
Same here, been collecting since the iPod Mini days, 18,000+ songs and 100gb+ of data (almost all mp3 though)
Serve them up with Airsonic and i’ve got my own streaming music service i can use anywhere.
Yeah I also use Jellyfin so I can also stream them from anywhere!
Where do you download them from?
Musician here…
…I tell people to download both the mp3 and the wavefiles from Bandcamp. Sometimes Soundcloud has a download option (depends on the artist). I still buy CDs where I can.
Not OP but I use bandcamp so I can pay the artist a decent amount rather than what ever Spotify does. Not sure if the new owner has increased the cut they take though
Soulseek is still a thing.
YouTube Music
Napster
Tidal, Deezer and Quboz all have ways to download the content. The most stupid one being to record the output of the music player, but there’s tools that automatically get the full metadata too and ensure the audio is cropped to silence.
To do it in an intended way, Bandcamp and other services let you pay once to have access to the source file on your account “forever”.
For Spotify, there is
spotdlwhich downloads the music from YouTube Music, and then embeds the metadata from Spotify.Isn’t YTM like 128-192kbps AAC? I’d rather not even bother ripping that lol
Do you have any recommendations on what would be better to do?
If you must use Spotify, use ZSpotify with DOWNLOAD_REAL_TIME and hope you don’t get banned. Alternatively, use it with a burner account.
I prefer Deezer and pay for Deezer HiFi. Deemix still works to rip FLACs from there.
Thanks, I certainly don’t have to use Spotify.
