As someone who switches between Xbox and switch pro controllers, the struggle is real. And I’ve been playing video games my whole life.
I get to where I remember it as “up” or “right” rather than X or square or whatever.
I used to call it the Zelda machine, but now that factorio is on Switch, I guess that isnt quite true any more.
I go between PS4 and a switch pro control often, and it’s not that they all use the letters / symbols for different buttons, it’s that Xbox and Sony agree what button position is used for what as default, enter, back, etc.
Nintendo breaks that symmetry, and put the enter button on A, so when I go to watch a movie on playstation I’m constantly exiting the menu because that position is O, the back button for Playstation.
Factorio is crazy optimized, but how well does it run on the Switch? It’s such an underpowered machine. I’m sure it’s fine early on, but massive factories can get slow even on the best PCs.
I’ve never played it on anything else so it’s hard to judge.
Only got it a month ago, and have only beaten the basic game once so far, though I’ve made what feel to me giant bases.
Haven’t noticed any slow down aside from when autosave is happening. Haven’t made the kind of monstrosities I’ve seen on youtube so I don’t know where the limits are.
As someone who has wanted to play it for ages I’m having a great time with it.
Reminds me of Kerbal Space Program on PS4, the controls are very complex for a controller, but they did a great job using multiple button shift functions to map a hell of a lot to the inputs available.
I forgot to get back to you. Two days later is better than never I guess.
There’s hidden settings in Factorio if you hold down ctrl+alt while clicking the settings button in the menu. There will be a box called “The Rest” which contains more settings. One of these is for non-blocking saves on Linux/Mac at least. It allows your game to save without freezing. I have no idea if it works on the Switch or how you’d get to it without a keyboard, but I think there’s a way. I know it doesn’t work on Windows, but no one ever mentions the Switch, only that it work on Linux and Mac and not Windows.
Factorio runs great on my 2009 Windows 7 machine on a Phenom II. I’d think the switch can handle. But then Mario Cart 8 also runs fine in Dolphin on that old clunker.
Yeah I really don’t understand why the hell they have to make it so different. Why do they need to distinguish themselves in this way? All it does is fuck up our gaming experience.
I think one of the early game systems got a trademark or patent or something for the button configuration. Iirc it was the SNES, but that could also just have been some adolescent bullshit kids told each other on the playground.
Switch and PS3 here. It’s just as difficult. Especially since the buttons for “proceed” and “return” in menu functions are reversed.
Love.
I don’t have this issue with playing PS and Nintendo games because PS wasn’t dickish enough to use ABXY in different positions like Microsoft. Everyone jokes about X being in all 3 layouts, but the PS one is actually called “cross” and doesn’t look like an X from a font, so I don’t get them mixed up.
This is adorable.
As someone who mostly uses an xbox controller and occasionally uses a switch, I could use this too.
Dude, I use a switch controller on my PC so I feel ya.
The analog sticks are literally impossible to start drifting. https://gulikit.com/productinfo/925509.html
Fr. That switch one pisses me off. I always press the button from Xbox instinctually.
Other way around for me. I was trained to use the Nintendo layout in 1991 and the Xbox one still annoys me since it’s what PC games usually use.
Yeah I never had Super Nintendo, had NES, 64, then switch, so by the time that button layout hit me, I was already used to Xbox. I also hate PlayStation as well. Shapes? What are we toddlers?
I got so sick of getting confused switching layouts that I went and got GameCube layout joycons for my switch. I really liked the wavebird controllers.
There needs to be Mavis Beacon for consoles.
A name I haven’t heard in a long time
Same. My parents got me the software when I was a kid, but I never used it much. Then near the end of high school I switched to Dvorak and never looked back.
Mavis Beacon doesn’t even type 90
That’s because she was never a real person.
Happens to me too.
On steam, I have every controller that I might use mapped to the Xbox layout, just so that I don’t have to change my muscle memory.
First thing I did on my steam deck was to change it to Nintendo layout haha
Between PlayStation, Xbox, Nintendo and Nintendo again with the Gamecube, the X has been in all 4 cardinal positions.
Man, why did they not keep the Gamecube layout? That would help with memorizing, too, if the buttons actually felt different…
anytime I switch systems it takes too long to remember the 4 right thumb buttons
I stopped playing totk partially because I kept hitting the wrong buttons. But the Switch has a way to remap them so I used that and it was still confusing somehow lmao
I did not know you could remap switch, may have to try that
When I’m playing a complex game on the PC such as KSP or even something like Eve online I have tons of documents posted up to help me with navigating it.
Eve online sounds like real life simulator woth spaceships
Its cut throat corporate mixed with space battles.
Real life is EVE without space battles
Except for the the whole mortality thing.
I could use something like this - I use a ps3 controller on PC and lots of games show the Xbox buttons by default.
But switch highlights the button needed instead of showing a letter
Yeah, first party Nintendo games show the 4-button diagram with the button highlighted instead of a letter. This post really feels like karma farming.
Which is odd, because Lemmy doesn’t even have karma.
It’s funny how the knee-jerk reaction is always “clickbait! karma whoring!” when there’s no benefit whatsoever to that on Lemmy. No, the person just wants you to look at the thing they posted and gets nothing out of it other than maybe satisfaction. What a concept!
I need one of these when I’m playing switch too.
My girlfriend has gotten mad about this in the past. I’m like hold the run button then press the jump button. She would get angry and tell me to say which buttons those are. I would really have to think about it, when playing a game I associate a button with the function and forget which button is what.
What button is it?!
I don’t know hold on! Pretends controller is in hand. Presses thumb hmmm left and down. Okay what console is this? Square and x? X and A? Whatever the hell Nintendo is?
Left and down buttons!
It doesn’t work!
Figure it out!
Even that gets switched around sometimes. I hate it when games use the bottom button for run/attack and the right one for jump.
Lmao after a few weeks let her play something on an xinput controller, just for the reaction
That’s just mean. But really funny.
How is that mean? She’s playing a Switch game and that is the Switch controller layout.
that is unfortunately the Switch controller layout.
Ftfy
That layout beats Xbox’s by over 10 years.
What can I say? I wasn’t alive. Besides that, Xbox sucks. PC gaming is where it’s at.
:P
You just believe in humanity more than I do. It’s gotta be mean somehow. If she’s on the Switch and that’s the Switch layout, it’s because the husband just wants to distract her or make fun of how she looks down at the controller. The meme also suggests that the husband made the meme, so just publishing the meme and turning his wife into a meme is pretty cruel and harsh. I mean, is this what humanity is? Now we turn our loved ones into memes making fun of them on the Internet? So glad you don’t love me. I mean, if you loved me, maybe you’d make fun of me in a fucking meme.
No escalation. Just that, think about it, memes these days are getting awfully personal. And anti-wife. Love the wife. You married her. Stop shitting on her. Or divorce her so she can be who she was meant to be, namely not referred to as your wife in a meme. You computer nerds from the future sure are eager to get wives and don’t know how to keep them.
I think you’re reading a lot of malice into a light-hearted image macro. Hell, I’ve been playing video games for over 40 years and I still have trouble remembering the buttons when playing a game with an Xbox controller layout - this would be really useful for me, and I certainly wouldn’t be upset if someone posted a picture of me using it.
EDIT: I didn’t even notice this was literally in Wholesome Memes.
Me, as the wife, would be distracted with this huge piece of paper under the screen. I’d be looking at the piece of paper instead of the screen. It looks a lot like cruelty. I mean, this meme is just all kinds of wrong. It doesn’t deserve to be a meme. It’s a “my wife” meme, which shouldn’t be in the year 2024. In the year 2024, wives should be posting “my husband” memes and making fun of husbands. You don’t get that. Because as a child you were boring, because you had no imagination. I tell this starkly dooming fact to a lot of people on lemmy. But it seems like this is what I must face now as a lemmy user. I need to communicate with adults who were boring children with no imagination.
Dude, this is a funny story about his wife learning to play games. It’s not making fun of her. It’s having fun with the situation. Couples frequently have fun stories about each other that are about mistakes that showed how much they cared. This one is about a wife who cared about learning to play video games enough that they continued even while struggling with controls, and their spouse who noticed their frustration and created a tool to help them. There’s no mocking happening.
You were a boring child with no imagination.
I like how “not malicious” is boring in your mind. You’ve got something wrong with you.
It’s boring because it’s a falsehood. You’re malicious, thinking your wives are idiots. I’m another man, telling you men, that you’re a bunch of idiots. I’m actually smarter than you, and you hate it. I already know my IQ and can beat yours because mine is way beyond posting “the wife” memes. As a matter of fact, I’m only here because I’m studying you computer nerd people and entering your responses into a database. I suppose I could be nice and thank you for your response, but you’re such a boring idiot that had no imagination as a child that I really have nothing else to say. When you were a child you had no imagination and you were boring. Now, here you are!
How is her not knowing something thinking that she’s an idiot? Helping her learn is the opposite of that. It’s recognizing she’s capable of learning it and helping her. Have you ever learned a new skill and not had muscle memory for it yet? It takes effort and time.
Also, you aren’t smarter than me. You may believe that, but if you’re incapable of recognizing that she is learning and this is helpful, then you aren’t very smart.
Why does Nintendo use a backwards button layout?
Division between console camps. “No, mine is the right layout!” Frustration when switching, creating a soft lock in effect.
I think the real answer was actually Japanese reading right to left, and applying that to alphabet buttons. What I find more interesting is the insistence that A must be the Accept button and B the back button; Nintendo games and OG Japanese games in general tend to use that layout, including PlayStation X and O (which to be fair makes even more sense for no/yes). US games afterwards flipped out, even for PlayStation games.
Really, Microsoft changing that up is genuinely evil to anyone already gaming, although I believe Sega also was left to right, but their three/six button layout doesn’t count. Not sure how they handled accept/back though.
Sega controllers predate XBox by a lot and their layout was left to right (ABC/XYZ).
That’s what I meant; but yeah, I think people collectively decided to forget Sega.
Sega had the dreamcast with an “A on the bottom”, basic xbox style layout about 3 years before the xbox came out, as an extension of their genesis six button layout. With how friendly sega has been with microsoft historically, and especially the similarities between the classic “duke” controller and the dreamcast controller, the increasing focus on online play, I think maybe there’s a through-line from the classic sega button layout and the modern xbox button layout.
To be fair, Sega was a US-oriented company long before it was cool, so I guess they may be the pioneers that confused the rest of us ages later.
After all, Sega does what Nintendon’t
I always assumed it’s because they are from Japan and there they have a lot of things right to left. For them it may seem natural to start at the right and go left.
It thought of that but the old Sega controllers were ABC XYZ.
The real answer is that nobody knows because nobody wrote it down.
The most likely reason is because the old game and watch was a single button where the A was on the original NES (famicom) and that was the primary button, then the secondary button, or B, was placed slightly inward where it was assumed it would be used less.
I’ve seen a video with the history of all of the button layouts
It’s a long enough video and just goes through the history of different layouts for different controllers and tries to reason why they are what they are.
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Thank you! I’ll make sure to give it a watch.
I was thinking, “I need this for the first 2 hours every time I switch to/from a Nintendo game.”
I believe because because they consider the outside buttons to be more natural to press first, then you work your way in.
Even starting with the NES controller, button A was primary and on the outside.
The real question is why they deviated from the GameCube controller layout. Throws me off all the time when learning a new Switch game. “Y is on top” is something deeply ingrained in me from those days.
…did…you not play on a GBA/DS? The Switch is the exact layout progression of those + extra sticks.
Correct, I did not. I’ve been a home console guy.
Real talk, I have never met someone who didn’t own a version of the DS. It was such a huge thing at school and being out and about, especially collecting street passes with friends/kids you’d just met.
Sorry if I came across as a dick. Just genuinely didn’t even consider someone might not have grown up with a Nintendo handheld of some sort lol.
You didn’t
GBA only had A and B.
“Layout progression”
Oh, I see what you’re saying.
A better question would be why Microsoft went with a nonstandard layout when they designed the Xbox controller. Nintendo had been using the A-to-the-right layout since 1990.
Patents, probably. A needed % of deviation.
Where do you feel Playstation is on this
They have funny shapes.
Playing with shape blocks without a care in the world
I wish I were them
Playstation still basically conforms to a on the right, since O is generally used as a “confirm” button, and X is generally used as a back out button. So, they fill the same role as the conventional layout, they just abstract it in a kind of more fun way.
Playstation games over the years have used X for confirm in many (western) regions. I’m not sure the origin of this but it was always that way growing up.
Circle was used in Japan. Localisations like Final Fantasy using circle were the exceptions to the rule (I guess it was too hard to change it?)
X being confirm for everybody is a relatively recent thing
Sega consoles used the ABC/XYZ left to right format. If you assume X and Y are axis, then X on the left (horizontal) and Y on the right (vertical) makes more sense than Nintendo’s Y on the horizontal and X on the vertical.
I’ve never figured out the reasoning.
I mean it kind of, instinctually makes some level of sense to me. With nintendo’s stuff, the A button is on the right, and the B button is on the left, so you’re reading it right to left, instead of left to right. Hence, the accompanying swap in X and Y.
I can’t remember which game it was (something on the Switch, so maybe a Nintendo game) where the game itself told you which button to press by showing four circles on screen (e.g. next to the speech bubble) and only one of these circles is filled out, so instead of a letter, you know you have to press the right button or whatever… I really like this design choice because it’s so intuitive
Legend of Zelda?
Oh god, I want to experience this game for the first time again.
I got back into video games again during lockdowns and after leaving a very soul-crushing relationship. It was probably the perfect time in my life to experience BotW.
Have you ever played Shadow of the Collosus? If not, I think it’ll give a lot of the same vibes that you’re looking for.
Oh yes, I love Shadow of the Collosus and Ico! Played them as a child, and played Collosus during lockdowns as well. It really can use a control update, but otherwise the game holds up really well!
How would one go about playing it if they don’t have an Nintendo console?
You’ll have to pirate it, then use the Ryujinx emulator.
Or you can use CEMU to use the Wii U version of the game.
Ah cool thanks, with some news articles recently I wasn’t sure if there were still emulators available.
Yuzu got shit down but Ryujinx is still here
edit: I’m keeping the typo
You could probably still find a fork of yuzu, if that’s what you want.
Buy a switch?
I don’t spend a lot of time gaming. It would almost certainly be buying it to play just this game.
Also Nintendo are kind of ducks, so I don’t really want to give them any money.
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You could buy a used Switch and install a modchip to play pirated games.
But yeah, not really worth it if you only want to play 1 specific game and already have a pc powerful enough for emulating it
You can also buy one of the older switch consoles from 2018 which are not patched and you can inject a payload via rcm mode.
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Playing games on pc and getting xbox button hints while using a Playstation or Nintendo controller is a special kind of frustrating. Like anything else, you get used to it, but I think I would like the position based hints you describe a lot better.
Just remap the controller so the letters correspond to the right spot on the controller
Then thé controls become unintuitive. Press the button on the right to jump? Ludicrous.
Depends on the system and what you’re used to. I use an Xbox controller for dolphin and the first thing I did was unfuck the right joystick and map the GameCube ABXY onto the xbox’s corresponding buttons. For PlayStation I’d imagine you’d just map it to the buttons that are normally for specific actions. Eg X to jump instead of A on other controllers
I play some Nintendo games on my Steam Deck, and the only thing I have to rewire my brain around is navigating menus (confirm with B). I wouldn’t want to remap the buttons though, because then the in-game actions would feel unnatural.
PlayStation uses different icons though.
Fair enough, forgot PlayStation was like that!
Most Nintendo Switch games do this. I think part of why is you might be using a pair of Joy-cons or a Nintendo brand controller with the Nintendo ABXY layout, 3rd party controller with the Xbox ABXY layout, a sideways joycon with ABXY buttons but rotated 90 degrees including the labels, or a sideways joycon with unlabeled buttons.
There’s no way for the game to consistently the way your controller is labeled, but it can know which of the 4 buttons needs to be pressed based on location.
I think it’s all the Switch games, or most of them. It’s part of the system font. It’s at least any game that can be played with a single joy-con because the traditional layout doesn’t match the labels in that configuration.
Nintendo is generally good at this part of design. Back in the GameCube days, all the buttons were different shapes, sizes and were easy to tell apart by feel, so they just used icons of the buttons. In the N64 days, X, Y and Z were all triggers in different positions, and the C buttons had arrows on them so you could tell by the icon which was which.
The “by feel” of Nintendo buttons started on the SNES. X/Y were convex, A/B were concave.
Chrono Trigger’s ZABIE was what solidified it for me
