Luckily I’m old, so I reflexively click the save button every few minutes anyway. Great progress there, Microsoft!
We have this shit at work, they make it incredibly hard to get a fucking attachment as a real attachment instead of a link to their cloud
Specially annoying since my organization is “geofence” but we work with people all over the world… So MS insists on switching attachments to links nobody can open outside my country
Are you in France?
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Yes I HATE that so much!
And how if you share a file in Teams and then six months later you want to share a file with the same name to ANYONE else via teams, well that’s a big no-can-do. Teams just went ahead and uploaded that file to your “stuff to share” folder in OneDrive and didn’t put it in a subfolder unique to the chat, or add a unique prefix or suffix or anything because hey, you’ll only ever share a file with a particular name once in your life, right?
And nobody would ever want to share a file with the same name, but different data, right? So Teams can just give the end user the choice between replacing the current file with the new one, or sharing the same one again to these new guys, because there’s no possible use case for actually having two files named the same with different information in the file, right?
Nobody would want to share a README.TXT, or Photo001.jpg, or contact.ics, or a zip file of a folder they just downloaded from Teams’ SharePoint interface, the file that’s automatically called “OneDrive.zip” without the option to change it before saving, more than once, right? Right??
Fuck teams. And fuck Teams(New) too, just for the shitty name.
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What about New Outlook (New) with New in the icon?
How else are you to know which version you’re using??
Note they left the “…and improved” off the (New) title.
Invoice.doc
was gonna say they stopped using that in 2007 but your comment is probably still the most accurate lmao
Huh? Outlook gives you two clear options when attaching a document. One is to attach as a copy, and one is to share it.
You can even convert a shared link to an attachment by right clicking on it before sending (assuming you’re using Outlook web instead of the ancient garbage Outlook desktop app.)
Is there any way to get it to default to actual attachment?
Start an email. Click attach. Pick the file.
Same as it’s always worked.
Yes but If you chose the full attachment, half the time I just get the link
This is because MS will force it if they think the attachment is an odd extension or too big or whatever
No, it only does it when it is too big. And that is very convenient rather than it trying to send your message and then giving you a failure notice. Why are you bitching about features that actively make your life easier?
There is a lot to bitch at M$ about, but this is not one of them.
It doesn’t make my life any better as those links never work.
If it works for you fine, don’t need to be offended like I insulted your girlfriend
If the links don’t work, that is a “you” problem.
Lol, you think MS is watching and will give a treat for being such a nice little follower?
Nope, I just deal with OneDrive support constantly and I can say definitively that it’s pretty decent at what it does, and if the links you are getting or sending are not working, it is your fault.
If you want to bitch about something substantive, how about bitching about how 365 has like 20 admin panels that are opaque about what they are and what they do, terrible menu layouts in those menus, etc.
That stuff is a very real problem.
Some boomer who can’t figure out how cloud drives work is not a real issue.
Yeah, it sure does sound like it would be hard to have a notification if the attachment is going to fail due to size policies, and then have an option to use the link or cancel the attachment (and have you choose another way). It would also be unheard of for there to be a setting in that dialog to say to always do whatever action you take so it only inconveniences those who go with the default once.
User-hostile software is never a “you” problem. This applies to a number of FOSS products, as well.
If that were the case, it would confuse users. It would be flooded with tickets about the weird notification that they got and didn’t read and how they can’t attach files anymore.
“Cancel the link attachment”???
Fucking press backspace! Jesus Christ, did you just get your first computer ever? I’m getting the picture that critical thinking isn’t really your forte.
I think this it not necessarily a bad thing. Worked in an office where they produce GB of CAD files. Sending it as attachment would fail for most clients because of their mailbox size, and receiving it also sucks because it would clog the local outlook inbox file, and everything would crawl to a halt when you open Outlook in the morning.
That’s probably because your file is over 10MB and would be rejected by most receiving systems
Yes, that’s what MS thinks… Yet that’s not the case as I can successfully get the files off SharePoint to my PC and then email them
The issue is MS doing this on its own accord and without proper warning or way to permanently override
Blame your company for not configuring that shit, or choosing to let MS handle it all.
Personally, no company should be using Office 365 and external mail. Bring that shit back in house.
NoKnow (wtf autoincorrect?) why bringing it in house costs more? Because it’s worth it, for the control.On premise exchange is fucking trash. Get out of here with that shit.
Tomato potato… My company uses MS because it’s the fucking industry default and it sucks
I would put more onus on them if we were talking about some niche thing they refused to give up. But MS is what everyone uses and they wouldn’t be able to ditch it altogether because MS has a monopoly
I speak from experience that no one other than professionals should be handling their own mail servers in 2024. I worked for a mail host. The amount of spam and attacks that befall a mail provider, even a small one, is bonkers. Plus, mail is just too damn important.
I wish it wasn’t the case because the idea of everyone privately hosting their own mail servers would be pretty awesome. Sadly the modern internet makes it way too risky.
I’m also not sure where they got their idea that cloud is cheaper from. On prem has always been cheaper, I’ve had to walk through fire and flames to get my company to approve cloud hosting as we simply do not have the capacity to be our own mail host. Goodluck explaining tech debt to upper management though, it’s like they’re allergic to the idea of understanding it.
Preach it
God if that isn’t the truth. We changed from Thryv to rackspace and we went from zero spam to 30 a day and this is AFTER they block a bunch. Waste of my time every day having to go through them.
Ya JWZ I think complained about this
Do you have a link?
Oh maybe conflated a post from someone else like “self hosting email just sucks, everything goes to spam, give up” with a JWZ repost of something different
Sorry to misremember, edited
Thanks
I feel this.
Sir if you will simply fill out this form in triplicate…
And initial here, and here, provide your SSN#, yes and bank account and a credit card number there, and mother’s maiden name yes, and provide rights to the soul of your first, second, and third-born child…
Then you are all set! Oh wait, now just watch this advertisement, and this other one here, and this other one here, and also this other one, and we will allow you to save… hey, where are you going?
Insert “use Linux” joke. But I’m absolutely serious when I say that using my company’s M365 stuff using the web versions in Firefox on Linux is pretty pleasant.
Hmm, in my experience Microsoft 365 on Firefox (Linux) works horrendously.
I’m a Firefox user, but when I need to work on OneDrive or Outlook Web I open Chrome because it works way better. And that’s a shame.
Use a user agent switcher. Usually fixes the problems.
Any experience on OneDrive Client for Linux by any chance?
Nope, I’m not sure I even looked for one yet. I don’t need auto sync and/or backup for my work since that’s mostly in GitHub and JIRA and the like. But it’s still convenient to be able to throw a file in there at times.
When i still needed to use OneDrive I used rclone, works great and also supports most other cloud providers as well as sftp
thats pretty cursed
ex soldier first class
Goddang it, Bobby. OneDrive’s a bastard drive!
“Yeah but what if someone wants to store their files in Onedrive?”
“Well, Bobby. We ask them politely but firmly to leave.”
But you’ll at least let us take a smaller or bigger peek right? Don’t worry we have a screen recorder ready, you don’t have to do anything.
OneDrive allows to save files directly to the cloud?
MS Office has integration. It’s pretty useful in a corporate environment.
And they force you to use it if you want autosave, which is essential in a work environment given the stability of MS Office programs (or at least my ability to crash Excel).
Adobe pulls that shit too.
And it’s really easy to not really think about what you’re doing and accidentally save to the cloud.
Then later wonder what the fuck happened to the file you spent three hours on when you came back from lunch.
Fucking Adobe.
Adobe also recently snuck into their ToS that they could use whatever you made with their products for training AI and then gaslit everyone saying “we never said that” and changed their ToS. You know where you can’t access my stuff? Offline.
You mean can access?
Ah good catch
Pictures you can hear.
Is there a work around? I feel like every time I figure out how to keep it from uploading and just save locally, it resets the next time I boot up. I’ve been using word because the transcribe feature is very helpful for navigating uni with my disabilities
Try hitting F12 to save… It should just show file explorer instead of all the cloud bs.
And I also don’t want programs to throw all their crap in the documents folder. AppData is made for that.
SO MUCH. Now my standard procedure is to just make a “_My_Documents” folder within Documents, so I can know where the files are that I put there myself.
(Leading underscore pops it to the top of the list alphabetically)
I remember some Windows versions had a Games folder for all that, saved games, etc…but it seems very few games actually decided to use it lol.
~/.config :>
And now show hidden files and you see the plethora of applications that dump everything in your homedir instead of .config
That really pisses me off.
Hint for KDE folks: Ctrl + h toggles hidden visibility. Makes navigating lots easier. :D
Same in thunar (the xfce file manager)
Awesome! Thunar is legit. 😁
Its even worse when they dont make it a hidden folder (looking at you android studio)
That annoys the fuck out of me. I want the folders I put in /home, not your shit. Put it in /.local or something and fuck off.
I believe the folder you are attempting to refer to is for all users so you probably do want to have the config in
~/.configunless you want everyone to have the same. Also /home is the directory that includes all users respective~/directories so use~/when referring to your own home directory.Edit I can’t figure out the formatting. My client is showing
<sub>where ~ should be.
yup…
.hidden file became my best friend - and a little context menu script for dolphin to easily add a file / folder to that .hidden is a thing i use way too often tbh
No matter the environment, it is important to dump shit wherever so the user does not get complacent.
OneDrive=Ransomware
you can completely disable all the bullshit in windows including recall, copilot, onedrive and many more things with O&O shutup10++ and also DoNotSpy11
Good luck troubleshooting problems when an update of Windows breaks something.
Just switch to Linux and call it a day.
And then Linux update breaks something…
Clearly you’re not talking about Debian.
Those aren’t de-bloat scripts, they’re tools that all the windows-techs are using for their customers.
De-bloat scripts break things, those two programs I named above work very well
Those programs are even named like malware.
Jesus Christ, the need to use another opaque binary that has a non-zero chance of being hijacked to get rid of shit that should never be there sounds like the definition of insanity.
Thats great for people who don’t want to, or can’t switch to linux.
Sounds much harder than switching to Linux.
That’s like saying “we can cover this switch on the wall that will blow up your house so you can’t flip it.” I would feel better if the switch wasn’t even there. And now I’m wondering what other switches exist in my house that I don’t know about. The trust has already been shattered and I’ll never feel safe.
