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I live in TN ( for now ) and our Trump loving leadership is making a fine case for moving out of state.
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JFC that is dystopian AF.
“Lemmy progressive”: I refuse to help fight this party’s outrageous attack on the poor.
It is not his fight bro!
Why nobody wants to work anymore? <insert pikachu face>
Democrats will be blamed in 3, 2, 1…
That kind of money would get you a mortgage
Ooooh sorry I’m afraid you don’t have enough income to qualify.
Already did. 3 years ago my house cost me $25k and change for down and closing
I guess I’m the odd one out here, but squatter stories infuriate me. Signing a contract and then intentionally violating it is super unethical. The renting/income/ownership problem needs to be solved in other ways than letting people steal the property they’re living in. Letting people stay in properties without paying significantly increases landlord risk and causes shittier contracts and higher prices.
Also, if someone jas an eviction on their record, getting another rental is way harder. It’s good to discourage it so people don’t end up trapped unable to get another rental when they’re back on their feet.
Coming up with 20,000 dollars in a week isn’t a middle finger to squatters, it’s a complete lock out of the justice system to anyone who isn’t rich enough to be a land lord themselves.
This is peak, “the justice system protects everyone equally” bullshit.
“the justice system protects everyone equally” bullshit.
Which is an extension of the “same rules for everyone” bullshit. A works with the existing law, B doesn’t. It’s just rules same for everyone, right? But group 1 needs A every day, and doesn’t need B at all, while group 2 is the inverse. Obviously laws benefit group 1, but due to the quoted thing being accepted as truth by many people, the injustice stands.
Same as with “territorial integrity” when it’s the integrity of some squatter state genociding or expelling people whose land it squatted on, and with clueless or malicious bystanders saying that those people should be happy that it doesn’t bite pieces off (spolier alert - it does that too now) their nation-state because “international laws” are “the same for everyone”.
People usually get evicted because they didn’t pay rent for quite a while.
I don’t think rich people have that issue.
Illinois is considered renter friendly. You only need to give a 7 day notice to pay or quit before you file an eviction for non-payment. You can give the notice if the rent is one day late. Not sure about TN but it’s probably similar.
Yeah, my silly Euro brain didn’t think it through.
Seems like Tennessee takes at least 4 weeks after being late on a single payment. They have to send a two weeks notice and then they can evict you in two weeks.
So it’s more like two weeks until they can evict you, and two weeks to pack your stuff.
Rough
When the two week notice is up, then the landlord can file what is basically a lawsuit. Then the tenant has to get served notice of when the court date is. So it could take a month or two just to get in front of a judge. Then if the tenant wants to contest the eviction and go to trial a new court date will usually be set for trial. Then if the tenant loses the judge will give them a certain amount of time to move.
This is talking about appealing an eviction to a higher court after a tenant loses. You can see how someone could abuse that system to stay for several more months by filing a frivolous appeal.
You can see at the end of the article that there was a judgement reached in error before the court date and the judge told them they would have to appeal. So in order to fix someone else’s mistake they would have to post a years rent when they were probably behind on rent anyway.
A tenant who falls behind on rent isn’t a squatter they are still a tenant and normal procedures already allow for removing the tenant in a reasonable time frame. The issue that obtains some places is that courts are too poorly funded and over burdened to deal with issues in a timely fashion.
A squatter is someone who moves in without paying. This gets ugly when as above court issus applies and squatter situations get in line with normal eviction.
WA instituted an expedited process that allows for removal of folks who were never tenants with just police so this doesn’t happen.
That is a smart solution to actual squatting fully funding whomever handles your eviction cases is another.
If you want to take it to the next level look at Finland who almost eliminated homelessness by housing people who are temporarily in a bad way and Europeans generally providing support for those with health problems.
People who fall behind usually aren’t stealing from the landlord and celebrating they are usually falling into a financial hole and living every day in increasing stress as they scramble for a solution. Ask me how I know.
It’s technically a tenancy dispute, but the actual problem is the same. Someone occupies a residence wothout permission. I agree providing tiny home style emergency housing is fine - there are plenty in my area and they are valuable for the community - but saddling landlords with higher risk results in worse rates (assuming no rent monopoly in the area) and agreements for the majority of tenants who are paying rent without issue.
The actual problem is not the same at all. The squatter is unambiguously committing a crime. Their willingness to commit a crime and inability to have their own home is a massive predictor of problems up to and including the total destruction of your property and its sufficiently black and white that local law enforcement given a proper law can act within the hour to evict and arrest someone who has no right to be where he is.
The tenant who is behind on rent is a situation fraught with complexity which should be handled by a judge so that everything can be heard. What’s more having this whole process take at least several weeks is a good thing. I gives people time to come to a resolution to avoid eviction. To borrow money. To get paid and come up with the money. To make alternative housing plans. To make a plan with landlord to pay over time. This keeps families from being put out on the street promotes social stability and well-being. Having matters handled lawfully and carefully is an acceptable burden.
It also doesn’t increase rent because the small downside risk doesn’t magically make your property more valuable.
I don’t think most people think “oh, some dude signing a contract and then violating it is super cool.” I think most people here realize that the working-class landlord who is renting out a single unit for a little extra cash is basically a unicorn these days and that the vast majority of rental units are owned by people and corporations who rent as their primary or sole source of income; and that the stories of renters deliberately destroying rental units are foregrounded by these large scale landlords as a tactic to erode public sympathy for renters. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, any time you have a system that can be exploited people will exploit it. What I am saying is that these situations happen far less often than ones like the linked article describes, where a tenant was evicted because they were told the incorrect court date.
Signing a contract and then intentionally violating it is super unethical.
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People lose money on investments all the time. Why should rental properties used as investments be any different?
My answer is no. Tough shit, people lose money on investments all the time.
If you fault squatters in the midst of a homelessness crisis where upwards of 20 houses are left vacant for every unhoused person, you are either a landlord, or you have been oriented by the landowning class to ignore the massive economic and societal advantage that landlords have. To say that the issue comes down to squatters, and not to the hedge funds that are buying up streets-worth of housing at a time, is an affront to working-class people everywhere who are struggling more and more to obtain a home.
I say fuck yeah to squatters. Based. That is the “risk” that comes with being a landlord, and sometimes they strike out, so they can get fucked.
How about we just do away with landlords entirely and make every property by default mortgagable so that apartment dwellers at minimum wage can still recoup some of their monthly housing costs when selling the apartment. There’s no reason this can’t be done. Most cheap old low-end apartments are worth relatively little (dependent on location and other factors, but still). If the market was flooded with them due to redistribution of shelter and an end to landlording, the prices would drop much further, potentially making theoretical down payments comparable with the first month’s rent + damage deposit. With the added bonus that no one steals your monthly payments. Housing co-ops are also great. There’s just no reason for landlords to exist. Shelter is a human right, and there’s no reason for a renting class to exist except to serve the interests of private landlords and enable the existence of a permanently impoverished working class.
more rules that only benefit rich people. slowly making being poor illegal.
totally makes sense for one of the poorest states
Disaffected poor racists and bigots will continue to reelect the people doing this to them.
almost feels like victim blaming. theyre suffering under generational propaganda… completely brainwashed. how do you combat that?
There are lots of people who grew up in conservative households and broke free of politics or religion. I don’t know how to help make that happen for people.
They have grievances and questions. Explain how the former are better helped by your own generational propaganda or real honest to God truth if you so wish. Answer their questions. If they are in denial, you can’t.
With re-educucation
Which is generally why education is one of the things the rich are trying to hold control over
Duh. That’s the point.
Makes complete sense. If you’re evicted wrongfully, you have an appeal option that doesn’t hurt either party. If you’re evicted for not paying your rent, then… Yeah. Gtfo.
Lots of places worldwide require 1 year of rent upfront, no exceptions. In addition you have a security deposit and utilities deposit. And guess what, the rent is never late that way. Amazing how that works.
How’s that boot taste? Ya shinin’ 'er up real good?
Pretty good since I can afford a house and you obviously can’t and just keep getting evicted. STFU
I have never in my 53 years of existence ever heard of a years rent as a deposit.
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If you have a whole year’s rent saved up + security and utility deposit then you have a down payment on a mortgage saved up, what would be the point in renting?
Really curious what places require this absurd 1 year up front, I have never heard of that.
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complete horseshit. just say you’re a landlord because no one in their right mind would think this is even remotely normal.
Just say your a myopic American that can’t fathom not everything works like the Cracker Barrel.
I am a landlord, AND I rent. I live globally around the world. Wake up stupid.
not an American; have no clue what cracker barrel is. but i can smell a leech from miles away.
worst post I’ve read today, congrats!
Congrats to you for being stupid! If you’d like to see where this is absolutely normal, use your 2 brain cells to Google for places that exist outside the shithole of whatever piece of America you live in.
it’s not normal. most places around the world have one month’s rent as a deposit, some have two, and in some crazy outliers it goes up to three. anything above that is abnormal and should be outlawed. but then again being a landlord should be outlawed as well.
How do you get evicted wrongfully?
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Sounds reasonable, at least to the Elon Musk type of folk. After all, laws are made to accommodate the wealthy. Look at the wealthy orange felon/rapist - he is waltzing all around laws that would put you in prison for ten lifetimes.
So evict someone living paycheck to paycheck and force them onto the street, they won’t be able to afford to challenge it because they’d need to put up more money than they have, and then arrest them because homelessness is illegal.
And… prison labor is profitable…
“We’re bringing back slavery baby!” - JD Vance probably
It never left.
JD Vance has that weird Christian-Soviet obsession with bringing industrial production (EDIT: back from China etc) to the USA. Maybe bunking on factory territory included, like in good old year 1904.
I know it’s a propaganda device, but what isn’t.
Fuck, when you put it like that, it almost sounds like it was planned that way. What a funny cowinky-dink.
It’s free labour!
Who ya gonna believe? The honest Trump-fearing landlord, or the homeless criminal?
The fact that people will likely worship him as a God if he wins again…
ITT: people who don’t know what appeal means. The article gives an example at the end as to why this is a bad idea, but it doesn’t affect the actual eviction process.
Oh it very well can when you get hit with default judgement due to not finding out about the court date and being half the country away in the new state you moved to…I know from personal experience you can be responsible, communicate and have everything above table and still get fucked.
That’s basically the example from the article. So in order to appeal for improper service you would have to post one year of rent. If you show up to court and go through trial then you don’t have to.
American “justice” system at work. This really makes my blood boil to read. I hope this law is overturned, it’s beyond absurd - its also malicious.
Legal industry is a better term than justice system. It is a a profitable industry using the law to extract profits.
“Sure, I’ll overturn it. For money.” -judge, probably
Being a judge seems like a pretty great deal honestly. I could use free luxury vacations and a 10 million dollar sinecure for my SO.
