Logitech CEO Hanneke Faber recently discussed the possibility of one day selling a mouse that customers can use “forever.” The executive said such a mouse isn’t “necessarily super far away” and will rely on software updates, likely delivered through a subscription model.
Speaking on a July 29 episode of The Verge’s Decoder podcast, Faber, who Logitech appointed as CEO in October, said that members of a “Logitech innovation center” showed her “a forever mouse” and compared it to a nice but not “super expensive” watch. She said:
I’m not planning to throw that watch away ever. So why would I be throwing my mouse or my keyboard away if it’s a fantastic-quality, well-designed, software-enabled mouse? The forever mouse is one of the things that we’d like to get to.
Having to pay a regular fee for full use of a peripheral could deter customers, though. HP is trying a similar idea with rentable printers that require a monthly fee. The printers differ from the idea of the forever mouse in that the HP hardware belongs to HP, not the user. However, concerns around tracking and the addition of ongoing expenses are similar.>>>>
Right now, companies are chasing LLM’s and subscription services. I’m terrified of what’s going to come next, lol. At what point does late stage capitalism stop?
I have used nothing but Logitech thumb-ball mice for the past 20 years. I love my MX Ergo.
If Logitech ever sells a mouse with a subscription, I don’t care how nice it is, I’ll have my own fucking PCB made and design my own QMK capable mouse before I’ll pay for it.
Just sell me the $90 mouse that lasts 5 years. I refuse to accept mouse feudalism.
I got a “Ploopy” a while back. Open source, QMK powered mouse. Terrible name, but it’s been working like a charm. All components are 3D printed or can be purchased cheaply. No good wireless options right now, though. The power efficient protocols needed are all proprietary afaik.
That’s cool! I only really do thumb-ball mice, though, and I haven’t really seen alternatives to Logitech in the same form-factor. I imagine they might even have a patent on it.
Buuuut I’m betting I can do stuff like repair the couple of MX Ergos I have lying around if I need to if I get motivated about it. Or like, maybe there’s a way I can have replacement parts fabricated or use the shell of a Logitech mouse as the basis for something similar.
You hear that Logitech? Charge me a subscription fee and I will absolutely figure this out and distribute blueprints and repair guides to the whole ass internet. I appreciate your ergonomics, your unifying dongles, your precision mode, and all your hotkeys, but $90 is plenty for a mouse. Don’t get greedy or I will personally bite you in the ass.
Edit: oh duh, the ball isn’t at the thumb.
Edit again: oh wait they do have a thumb ball one. Fixed the link.
Ooohhh, that does look promising! Good to know there’s some kind of viable alternative!
Who pays 90USD for a mouse that lasts only 5 years
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Tim Apple.
Nobody tell them that generic mouse drivers are part of every USB driver devkit.
They know. And that’s the “problem” they’re trying to “innovate” around.
“Forever mouse” is a marketing term to sell you a subscription. I’m not going to pay a subscription to get driver updates or to use basic functionality of the mouse. I have a forever keyboard (expensive mechanical keyboard) and it does not require a subscription and I can use the entire functionality without paying ever again.
I don’t even have the software for my mouse installed. I think she’s massively overestimating the value of mouse software updates.
She’s just trying to figure out how to make renting cheap peripherals make sense so that you can keep paying Logitech forever.
Expensive mechanical keyboard? I have been using this since the mid 2000’s
What’s a mouse?
I use a trackpad
The lenovo version of trackpad on my thinkpad has buttons on the top & bottom along with trackpoint that works when nothing else will…
I even have a usb keyboard with a trackpadI bought a gaming mouse [not logitech] to set up a distro that wouldn’t install by trackpad for $12 once the install finished, it sits on a shelf
A forever mouse is a solution in search of a problem
The customer base of people who use mice is shrinking, most people use their phones or pads a majority of the time
My experience is so different, and so are the market statistics. A “forever mouse” is a dumb idea just looking for a subscription cash grab, but the PC mouse market is expanding year over year as more people get desktop computers, and especially for PC gaming, an expanding market in its own right. The customer base of people who use mice might be shrinking in some Linux communities, but stating that across the board is just incorrect.
what you wrote sounds completely insane to me. sure i don’t use a mouse on my phone very much, but no way would i ever prefer a trackpad to a mouse for a desktop or laptop. and tons of people still carry a mouse to use with their laptops, based on my observations. i really think you may be an outlier here.
My wrist will not tolerate using a mouse for more than a few hours
You use a mouse on your phone?not very much. honestly, only once or twice, for a laugh, which is probably still more than most folks lol
Sometimes I am glad that super cheap Chinese hardware is a thing and I can always switch to those in case these greedy companies all became shit
This is as stupid an idea as Wendy’s ‘surge pricing’ nonsense.
Disgusting. Utterly disgusting. This idea belongs in the garbage bin.
Most reasonable consumers won’t go for this. it’s a greed play.
Give me mice that I own; not mice to rent.
I love how the community can smell bullshit miles away.
[click click, click click click click] Hmm, why’s it not… Honey, did we pay the mouse bill this month?
Weird analogy, you don’t to pay a subscription for your nice watch to keep the right time
Ssssshhhh, for god’s sake don’t give them any ideas.
Yet!
If it’s a nice watch you’re setting it almost every time you use it
Hell, mine needs wound up every time.
Haha same
This is nothing but rent-seeking.
ssm has an idea for a “forever list” of companies he will never buy from
She can fuck right off with that. I have a mouse that fell apart because it used soft plastic, another one I threw away because I couldn’t clean properly (taking it apart to clean broke something), and now I have one from logitech. My parents have a mouse from (I kid you not) 1995. Brand is unknown. There were already “forever” mice out there, it’s just that now they voluntarily make them shit for you to buy a new one.
Just make mice like 20 years ago but in different forms (vertical, ball at the thumb), that can be opened to clean and repair, and we’re fine. No need for your dumb-ass subscription. Fuck off.
Vegas odds that’s a Genius mouse
i mean they literally admit to it in the article… they need to find the “business model” to support it, which could mean a subscription and an expensive price tag… the reason isn’t because it needs ongoing support - it’s because of planned obsolescence
boo hoo we can’t make money off selling you shit every few years so we have to charge you $200 and a subscription
What? Nooo. I don’t want the stupid mouse-balls ever again. Sure i could clean it but i also HAD to. Regularly.
Besides, you’re right. Fuck subscriptions. Fuck logitech, fuck their shitty quality.
They’re talking about a Trackball mouse e.g., not the pre laser mice (or they’re nuts). Good ergonomics, useful for carpal tunnel etc.
FWIW I’ve found their high-end mice pretty robust, my MX Master 2 is still going strong 5+ years in, if cosmetically challenged. Amortised over time, the price is not so bad.
Oooh right trackball-mice. Totally forgot they exist 😁 Ok the mice are ok. For the price. Nothing is like it was before. But their keyboards… Some months later the markings already peel off, cables break very quickly.
I find anything with that coated plastic over time gets crappy. I still have an old X52 pro I’ve had for probably around 15 years now. In the end I just completely took off the flaking rubber style coating they put over it and it’s now shiny plastic and still going strong.
I also have a G502 that’s 6 years old. It has some worn areas where it’s actively held and on the buttons. I replaced the skates last year and have a spare set. Otherwise, still going strong.
Really not sure why I’d subscribe for something that lasts so long and isn’t THAT expensive to replace.
Oh hell no to subscribing, thought didn’t cross my mind. Save us from MBAs with revenue streams on their mind, wannabe rentiers.
They already did that when Logitech was still a quality company back in the day. Their peripherals turned into Trust level shit ages ago.
