Go Ukraine, fuck Russia.
A not very wealthy country of about only 120 million people wanted to play superpower.
They were offered peace, cooperation and prosperity, but instead they chose corruption and confrontation.
Russia could very possibly have been the biggest economy in Europe by now, if they had chosen cooperation. That would have made them more powerful and influential than all the bullshit they’ve pulled to undermine the west and their neighbors.Russia could very possibly have been the biggest economy in Europe by now,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War
Countries are at war with each others.
What’s your point? It clearly states the cold war ended with the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.
Most of eastern Europe chose to democratize, and they are way better off today than in 1991. But Russia chose to undermine the west and the countries around them, instead of cooperation.Countries are at war with each others.
That’s not a law of nature by any means.
But Russia chose to undermine the west and the countries around them, instead of cooperation.
West and russia have been at war since WWII and even before read the article on cold war carefully.
As someone who lived during a large chunk of the Cold War, let me add some personal perspective on this. You are absolutely right in that the Soviet Union and the West were in a war from WWII on. A spy war, an economic war and several hot proxy wars.
The US lost nearly all of those, but they did win the economic war, and in doing so broke the USSR economically and politically.
After the USSR fell, the Cold War was over. Done. Finito. To emphasize this, capitalism came pouring into all the former SSR’s and former Soviet citizens got to taste consumerism triggering chaos that took a full generation to hammer out. And then the 2010’s came along and Russia began using it’s natural resources to become more and more integrated with Europe.
To the point where some analysts were beginning to be worried that Russia might come to dominate the EU economically.
In fact, if Putin had waited another 5 years Europe would likely have become so dependant on Russian natural gas that they would literally have been unable to effectively protest any move Russia made, in fear of them turning off the tap. Russia was on the road to being THE dominant power in Europe, and Putin literally threw it ALL away chasing dreams of a renewed Russian Empire.
At some point we’ll probably have to admit that they’re culturally not inclined to do good. That and the rampant alcohol abuse is holding them back.
How quickly we forget the first satellite, first man in space, first nuclear power plant, first fusion reactor, and the MIR space station.
Something has indeed been holding them back since those things were created, and their culture hasn’t significantly changed since then.
This is just racist.
Whatever
Racism is when you think certain groups of people are biologically inferior. Thinking a culture can be dysfunctional is something else entirely. Nobody questions the propriety of saying the culture of a company or other organization is dysfunctional, so why would a country (or its dominant culture) be different?
Nobody bats an eye when people say Japanese and Korean work cultures are insane, for example, and nobody thinks it’s racist when left-leaning Americans comment on the culture of their conservative countrymen. Nobody even seems to think “meanwhile in Russia” memes are inappropriate, even though they’re an implicit commentary on Russian culture.
Now, I do think “culturally not inclined to do good” is unfair and painting with an overly broad brush, but I also think the persistent suffering of people in and around Russia can only be explained by something about Russian culture.
wanted to play superpower
As someone who is from that region, it’s not even that. A whole lot of countries want to play superpower, and they are only mildly hated for it. The US, the French, even the Chinese are an abstract economic threat. The Russians want to play 18th century superpower and that makes them a concrete military threat.
The stupid thing is, just by looking at the state of the world right now, they totally would have won the long game if they went soft power only. Putin is a failure that way as well I guess.
I totally agree.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, they were handed everything they wanted on a silver plate.
They could have been Poland on steroids.
But they chose to reject it, so stupid.
Russians have been brainwashed for centuries by their elites to thinking corruption is the natural order of things.
They can’t believe that western nations can have shows of wealth and quality of life standards they do, because that means the way they and their ancestors have lived for decades isn’t how people are supposed to live.
Their elites steal everything, ensure education standards are low as possible so their workers can just barely manage to operate in a factory, on a farm or in a mine, and then encourage them to stay drunk as possible during their waking hours.
And then they wonder why Russians who manage to emigrate west never go home and sooner or later cut all contact with their backwards motherland.
Frankly if it hadn’t been for the advent of Nuclear Weapons, and Soviets stealing designs for them from America, Russia never would have been a Superpower at all and probably collapse in on itself in the 60s.
Their elites steal everything
You think the western elites don’t? It’s just slower…
Western elites do steal, true. But to no where near the same extent. We’d have trillionaires in the west if they stole as much as Russian oligarchs do.
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We will have them
The trick is not to steal faster than the economy can produce. It’s like organic, fair trade, sustainable kleptocracy.
Russians have been brainwashed for centuries by their elites
Meanwhile western have been brainwashed for centuries by their elites to thinking russians are the bogeyman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
Elites steal everything everywhere not just in russia
OK, yes, but how are the front lines further south going?
Russia has undeniably made gains. Avdiivka is comparable in size to the Russian territory taken by Ukraine. Except it took Russia a year and 30,000 casualties and hundreds of armored vehicles losses. Ukraine’s push into Russia has happened over days and Russia still hasn’t pivoted with a coherent response.
Yes, it’s the embarrassment that’s really important here. 🙄
It really is. The only way for this to end, is for Putin to lose support internally.
Its part of it. There’s also the better negotiating position, possibility of flanking the Kremlin’s defenses, and forcing them to respond in a situation where Ukraine has the momentum and defensive stance.
Surprisingly, yes. For that kind of people, public perception is everything
So is this the game rulers are playing? Embarrass each others at the expense of millions of people?
Its pretty much a tale as old as time. Read the “little nicky” letters sent between rulers leading up to World War 1. Like shitposting commenters online faceless, nameless people are just cannon fodder to these people.
The ruler of Ukraine is playing a game called “Defend my country from foreign invaders”.
Putin embarrassed himself by allowing it to get to this point. Russia is into year three of the war that was supposed to last a few days, over what is ostensibly his ego alone.
The ruler of Ukraine is playing a game called “Defend my country from foreign invaders”.
You are saying it in a sarcastic way but for them it’s pretty much a game. Rulers don’t fight their wars they send peasants to die for them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024
“As of 26 April 2024, the Polish government has offered, and the Lithuania governments is considering, repatriating Ukrainian men living in their countries to Ukraine. So that they can be drafted into the Ukrainian military”
Either a victim of disinformation or a victim of disinformation who gets some sort of material benefit for spewing more propaganda and dogma. Either way, they should be reported for their own good and that of everyone else using the platform. We need to safeguard information integrity and prevent the victims from instigating a global conflict, potentially a nuclear one. Because that is what it ultimately comes down to. Ironically, this also means saving many russians from their regime and themselves.
What do you mean “Sending them”? Send them where? The war is on their home soil. They don’t have to be “sent” anywhere. Even the guys who fought into Russia are doing so to get the Russians OUT of Ukraine.
And what do you mean Zelenskyy is sending them to die for “him”. The Ukrainian soldier aren’t dying for Zelenskyy. They’re fighting and dying for their friend, family, and countrymen raped and killed by foreign invaders.
What do you mean “Sending them”? Send them where? The war is on their home soil.
To the front that’s where they are fighting. Not sure if you have seen it but many front lines are now wastelands where nobody lives anymore. Soldiers get send there to fight over invisible lines on the map.
They’re fighting and dying for their friend, family, and countrymen raped and killed by foreign invaders.
A soldier and a member of the army fights for the government. Why do you think conscription is a thing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024
“Zelenskyy did not support a petition to allow men between the ages of 18 and 60 to leave the country abroad.”
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Do you notice that not one of your posts has ANY upvotes, and and all of them have MANY downvotes? The reason is because you’re spewing bullshit on this platform that’s not even CLOSE to being objective.
Please highlight in my history any posts that you consider bullshit and not even close to being objective. The reason why i’m being downvoted is that many people are feed up on government propaganda so much that they downvote any comment that doesn’t align with the official narrative. For decades the government has push anti-russian propaganda and we have reach a point where any sort of criticism can comfortably be labeled as russia propaganda.
Are you aware that USA spend way much more money than russia in propaganda?
Every single post in this thread of yours is nonsense. Blatantly illogical and poorly reasoned pro-Russia propaganda. Not a single one of your arguments has any basis in reality and none of your assertions are even coherent.
The front where they’re fighting in on their home soil. They don’t need to be “sent there”, it’s their homeland. They’re not invisible lines in a map, it’s their land, their homes. The homes of their families, their friends, their community, their countrymen. They’re fighting for eachother. It doesn’t get any more noble than that. Nobody lives there anymore because of the foreign invaders. If they win the war, people can live there again. That’s literally what they’re fighting for, not “The government”.
The front where they’re fighting in on their home soil.
You are commenting in a thread that is about this war moving on russian soil.
They don’t need to be “sent there”, it’s their homeland.
Their homeland it’s not the front. Nobody lives in the front anymore, you can take a look at the many videos of combat footage available to see the destruction that got left behind. The land and homes got wrecked by both sides.
They’re fighting for eachother.
By definition a soldier of the army works and fight for the government. Anyone is free to fight for the reason they want but conscripts are forced to become soldiers and fight for the government.
The thread is about an operation on Russian soil, during a conflict exclusively over Ukrainian soil. One group operating just over the border in Russia in a defensive war doesn’t change the fact that the front line is in Ukraine. The objecting of the operation remains restoring the sovereignty of Ukraine.
Their homeland is in fact the front. Their homeland consists of the entire country of Ukraine. Even the forests and the fields. Even the ruins of their homes. Even the graves of their loved ones killed by Russian invaders. The homes may have been destroyed by Russia, but once the war is won the Ukraines can return there. That is the point.
Ukraine and Russia are uniting into one country. Just not the way Putin envisioned.
He wanted a war, so he got one.
“special military operation”
I mean right?
Fuck around and find out and all that!
Good for Ukraine.
To my knowledge, it’s the first time in history that a non-nuclear power invaded and occupied territory belonging to a nuclear power.
So, that’s even more dubious history Putin played a part in.
A very nuclear power at that.
As long as no one’s nuclear trigger fingers get itchy, I’ll be happy.
Putin knows that if he’s gonna press any big red buttons, it better be all of them because gloves are gonna be taken off against him.
My preferred fictional outcome is Putin orders a full launch, but almost all the missiles just do a small fart in their tubes as no maintenance was done, and the ones that launch end up reaching escape velocity and disappearing because the people in charge of the silos had long since sold the payloads for yacht money…
This is the timeline I want.
Unfortunately, the US has a launch on warning policy.
So even if every warhead Russia has is a dud, or doesn’t even re-enter the atmosphere, they’ll still be nuked into a fine mist of concrete and carbonized human dust about 20 minutes after we realize their bombs don’t work.
And then the rest of us get to live through nuclear winter.
Well, if you consider Israel to be a nuclear power…
Serious question: was Israel really occupied at any point in time during, this or past, post maybe nuclear power times?
I don’t think a short term raid that’s immediately repelled necessarily counts as occupation in this sense.
My Israel history is also very limited
I don’t know much history either. Maybe Sinai in the Yom-Kippur war (1973)?
Sinai in the Yom-Kippur
I think that seems reasonable fair to count?
Edit: US Gov was convinced in '75 but that’s only by the point they were convinced, and its quite possible it was prior.
Edit: just reading more, but this was a pretty cool event from the war
The Egyptian Army put great effort into finding a quick and effective way of breaching the Israeli defenses. The Israelis had built large 18-metre (59 foot) high sand walls with a 60-degree slope and reinforced with concrete at the water line. Egyptian engineers initially experimented with explosive charges and bulldozers to clear the obstacles, before a junior officer proposed using high pressure water cannons. The idea was tested and found to be a sound one, and several high pressure water cannons were imported from Britain and East Germany. The water cannons effectively breached the sand walls using water from the canal.
Fucking Britain lmao. Sets up Zionist Israel then sells water cannons to the Egyptians invading Israel. I’m sure it was private business but still hilarious.
Another chance to use my new Ukrainian Riker!
(He’s Rikrainian.)
He’s going to struggle to perform the riker manoeuvre with a horn of that size…
It’s about the commitment to the leg throw, not the size of the hog in the hedgerow
Sage words. I will need time to contemplate.
Jesus Christ, this is painful to read if you can read Cyrillic letters
If I wrote “playing a sour note” in Ukrainian, no one would understand it.
Including me.
How does it sound?
Only the characters below are Cyrillic, the rest aren’t pronounceable
Р_ду_и_ д _о_я иоте
I don’t speak RU/UKR but my best approximation of the sounds are
R_du_i_ d _o_ya iote
Writing this out has caused me 5 psychic damage.
Thank you, I wish you a quick recovery.
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Putin is finally making history, his legacy will now be remembered forever. What a great accomplishment! They said it would be over in 3 days, over two years later and now Ukrainian troops are in control of Russian territory.
Amazing what Ukraine has managed to pull off here. Watching closely to see how this unfolds.
You mean Putin, the Poisoner of Underwear?
Marvel are really running out of villains for their new movies…
Oh no, poor Putin
But remember, when god closes a door, he certainly opens a window…
The amount of scrubs skits involving a window makes this even funnier
Russia = New Ukraine 🇺🇦
Wowee, all he had to do was not be a shitter and this wouldn’t have happened. Now it will be his eternal reputation in history books.
This is all history will remember him for. A botched violent and illegal invasion of a peaceful country for absolutely no good reason whatsoever!
that and running russia for what 30 years now with Medvedev, starting a war on an alleged false flag attack and then running some kind of invasion every handful of years like clockwork.
What’s funny is before Alex Jones became a giant putin simp he had, possibly correctly, suggested putin blew up some russian buildings to start a war in 1999
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
First they were the second most powerful army in the world.
Then they were the second most powerful in Ukraine.
And now they are the second most powerful in Russia.
I like they way this is going 🤗.
And now they are the second most powerful in Russia.
I think it’s been that way for longer than people think. Remember when Wagner just rolled through Russia without any resistance? Putin’s might has always been false promises/ blackmail, but it’s obvious now that Russia hasn’t had the means to back itself up for a while now
Prigozhin should have waited to betray Russia until Ukraine was in a position like this.
Seems like he was an idiot, though. IDK what level of delusional hubris one needs to be on to travel to Moscow after an attempt such as that.
With how it went down he was mainly an idiot for standing down. Idk how he imagined that ending
I think it might have been dissatisfaction of his troops that lead to the coup. He knew it would not work out, so he tried to bail out quickly. He should have probably just left the country never to return.
Once he started he had two options: continue until the end and maybe die trying or just die. For some reason he opted for the second one.
Nazis have now assumed marching on Moscow would work out for them twice, maybe it’s just a related mental defect.
The fact that people like you can rationalize the Kremlin’s far-right, proto-fascist ideology as some sort of anti-Nazi movement is just more proof that the biggest threat to humanity is ingorance combined with a near-infinite potential for self-serving delusions. We desperately need to reform our formal education systems and limit the impact of authoritarian propaganda as much as possible, and from there the number of victims, like Dragon.
To add: he was Russian, not Ukrainian.
Lol, Prigozhin was a Nazi you dingus, it’s why he named it Wagner.
No idea why you’re downvoted. Pringles and Waganr were 100% Nazi-adjacent
they made a classic blunder- the one slightly more well known than getting into it with a scillian when death is on the line! Getting into a land war in Asia!
In Asia? Ukraine isn’t in Asia, even western Russia isn’t considered to be in Asia…
They’re quoting a line from the Princess Bride.
well. not exactly. I did kind of have to bastardize it a bit.
You know how it is.
…which everyone should watch at some point, because it’s delightful.
Wait. But aren’t they Asia? Lol
Russia is. (ukraine may not be. Usually the distinction is a bit further east of Ukraine- around the ural mountains.)
but.
Russia definitely are asian. So. given that they picked a fight on their border… I’m gonna go ahead and say “close enough” to make fun of them.
Inconceivable!
I think it’s probably more correct to say Russia straddles the border between Europe and Asia. The people in charge are European, and Asian Russians are treated more like serfs and cannon fodder. Disclaimer: I am not a social scientist.
well, “usually” the geographic divide is placed either at the Ural mountains, and southward through the caspian sea. (which cuts off the western third of russian, more or less.)
That said, if you go with geological distinctions, there’s only one tectonic plate covering eurasia. So it’s important to note that what it really comes down to is an arbitrary cultural distinction; basically a “are they more east or more west”. and that’s above my paygrade.
I’m just here to mock them any way I can.
It should also be noted, that part of the reason for the line in Princess Bride is what happened to the germans picking fights with the soviets- which was definitely a military blunder of epic proportions.
The ostensible reason for the German invasion in ww2 was because they needed a source of oil to continue the war effort. which, the military staff wanted to invade the middle east, Iran, Iraq. Palestine, etc. I forget what they were called at the time. the middle east was largely equipped and armed with cast offs from ww1; that were obsolete before that war had even ended.
But Hitler insisted, instead, of going into Siberia mostly because he absolutely loathed and despised Stalin. Which, there’s no reason to believe that the Germans couldn’t have steam rolled the middle eastern states. the question I have is how the occupation would have gone over. history says that holding Arab states is not an easy proposition. Suffice it to say that ww2 was likely to have been far more protracted than it was.
It’s more correct to say Europe is vibes (of white people) and not an actual continent, thus the term Eurasia.
Lol I’ll join you on this one
Most of productive thoughts throughout the pre-soviet russian history was wasted on that exact question. No joke. That long-going identity crisis even caused a divide within the elites about the choice of following either the european footsteps (westerners) or going on their own (slavic-philes).
Interesting. I’ll have to go into some research on this one.
The correct russian names for these two groups are западники and славянофилы. I feel like googling them like this you’d encounter better results. But they are limited to one period of history while the question itself was before and after them.
Tha ks! I’ll take a look today at work! Sorry for the late reply.
Second most powerful in Moscow 🤞😬🤞
Would be wild if they took over Russia and Zelenskyy became the president of Russia.
Can countries still annex other countries like that these days?
Who would stop him?
Other countries. It would only be legal if everyone else considers it legal.
Aaaaaaaaand, back to my first post. Who would stop him?
The United Nations.
While everyone wants Russia to stop this war, it’s hyperbolic to suggest everyone wants Russia annexed.
Wow, that would be an incredible amount of aggressive expansion! Coalition speed run any%.
… I should play less EU4 😁.
Second most powerful in Putin’s dreams
Second most powerful in all of their military bases.
