I’m a teacher and our division just “upgraded” to W11 with a new version of outlook that is basically a web app on desktop. Several times a day my laptop comes to a complete crawl while Teams decides to open itself. Can’t open or close programs, Firefox won’t register mouse clicks, nothing. Graphical glitches appear al the time with menu bars and task bars disappearing regularly, requiring force quitting the app or logging out of the desktop.
When I first switched to Linux I assumed my experience would be like this. But now it’s the other way around.
Rant over.
We’re being forced to move everyone to W11 by the end of the year. It’s gonna be hell.
My company already did - it was a shitshow and my laptop sucks even more now.
Hm. Not sure if it’s because I’ve stuck with gnome and kde. But both definitely freeze often during high I/o or intense processing times.
On multiple machines and multiple distros. It’s one of the most annoying things about it really.
Can’t comment on Gnome as I don’t use it, but that hasn’t been my experience with KDE. Previously running Tumbleweed and now running EndeavourOS
Yeah, I noticed that on GNOME as well
Maybe it’s because of Wayland, but that hasn’t been my experience with KDE. It has been lightning quick lately (though I recently switched to an immutable distro so that could be part of it)
Not completely sure, but I believe that is a kernel thing. Hence present on all distros. Perhaps because the kernel is turned for throughput/server workloads. I hope this will be resolved with new schedulers though (e.g., through sched_ext).
@maxprime same lol. Somehow the whole os feels like one gigantic advertisement… That is trying it’s best to not let you use your computer
It is
Going from my laptops to a client’s Windows machine feels like I’m stepping back in time, every time.
Even my Win10 VM is light years ahead of Windows ‘proper’ because of all of the modifications to make it usable.
MS Windows belongs in a museum, not at an office or on a desk.
(hate spewed at me by Adobe Premiere)
TL; DR
My experience between Windows and Linux is not much different with how often I have issues. But given the choice I much more prefer my Linux experience.I hate Windows just as much as the next guy, but this comment section smells a little of confirmation bias.
From my experiece (web dev in a mainly MS branded stack) Windows mostly just works. Yes there are horrendous design, UX choices forced upon me, but I can usually force the OS to do what I need and how I need it.
Now comparing it to my home Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such, but I wouldn’t say it’s much more different from Windows.
Now what does differ a lot is that I don’t need to fight the OS to do shit. It’s way better productivitywise, when I know what I’m doing. Which is deffinetly not the case everytime.
That last paragraph is exactly what i feel. In Windows it started to feel more and more like I’m fighting against Microsoft and have to be on edge all the time whereas if in Linux something doesn’t work it’s not because of ill intentions of the people behind the OS.
Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such
Weird. I used Pop for 3-4 years and not once did it freeze, stutter, or require a restart that wasn’t related to an update.
For me the pop shop always froze. At least that thought me how to use the terminal. But even regular GNOME software was miles ahead of their shop…
Oh… Now that you mention the shop, you’re right. Mine would freeze up too. I stopped using it, which is why I forgot about it.
I had lots of issues on Pop. Switched over to Manjaro and its much better for me. Laptop runs cooler, doesnt slow down, etc.
I’d recommend switching off Manjaro to pure arch or something like endeavour or cachyos, manjaro is not really considered the most stable arch distro
im not gonna change anything rn. I had tried Mint, OpenSuse, Debian, Pop Etc all trying to find an OS that had proper touchpad drivers for my laptop. The touchpad works on them but will randomly get very sluggish and have really bad input lag. Manjaro so far is the only one that has been working for me so unless i can figure out what magic they did to make it work, or if i have some other issue i dont see myself switching.
I mean if if works it works, just be ready for eventual manjaro jank
Yeah now add Dynamics to all that and you get my day. Eyeroll
Debian in WSL is my single favorite thing about Windows work laptop. Real tools! 😃
I’m back on windows for work after a decade away, and all the reasons I left are still there. The tools are still lacking, the layout is non-sensical, prototyping requires expensive subscriptions, and it’s not designed to get work done.
*nixes and macOS, to a lesser extent, are much nicer. The *nixes are designed to get work done. I have my gripes, but good lord they’re small comparatively.
For me, at work it’s more MS sharepoint and MS dynamic (+oracle clod shit of course) that fk me over on a daily basis - that’s possibly due to the way our IT people don’t seem to know how to use them or set them up - and won’t let us query(just SELECT) the dynamics tables directly using SQL for whatever reason. (i suspect we have to pay MS to acces our own data). And of course things like MS excel being used to mangle data by default all the time - yeah i know always use power query import . . . just everything takes six extra steps and the easy way is always the worst way.
W10 is mostly okay. I mean it’s slow and hard to use, blasts the cpu fan all the time, is still annoying with updates, and I have to “right click open with” to open anything in the application that i want (even when there is only one native appllication for the file format). You get used to working around that shit.
That is just not true for sharepoint and other MS apps, it gets worse, and as soon as you think you get used to a workaround for one thing, something else changes or an old thing resurfaces. and dynamic has just “upgraded” the colour scheme of the status colum so that there is no contrast between the background and the text. black text on white background, good enough for every other column, but no upgrade that one to black on dark blue, thanks bill you’re a F-ing-C. how do they screw up things like that as a bajillion dollar company.
So I was going to say that W10 is more or less stable and it is other MS stuff that I hate more. that is probably true. but actually sitting down and writing out the above, W10 is still pretty horrible to . . . whether it’s our IT or MS itself, it’s shit.
I much prefer my home linuxes, it is just as stable (for me) - and just so much easier to use - and most of all it is quieter on the fan. So much more relaxing.
W11 had better be “not worse” or i’ll probably have to quit.
For dynamics you have to ask MS for access to the sql back end. Then its granted for several hours as read only. That’s why you have to use synapse link to a data lake etc.
I don’t know what a “synapse link” is i’m sure we’d not be allowed access to that; though I can think of at least one manager who would have parrotted that for a few monts if they’d heard it; “data lake” was also one of those for a while, it seems to have given way to “lakehouse” now. I just want to put on concrete boots, jump off the boat and hope it’s deep enough.
I understand you. Very annoying these days.
My home desktop has been on Linux for almost a decade, and a few months ago, my employer certified Linux as a choice for our corporate laptops. I couldn’t be happier. If only I managed to convince my wife to take the plunge, but she is the most anti-change person I know when it comes to technology. It took her months to stop complaining when she had to upgrade to Win 10 and her 9 years old computer is slow as it gets right now, it was never re-installed and she rather not risk trying to make it better in fear of breaking something…
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My first job I was using Windows, thankfully I was able to use Linux my next 3 jobs in a row. It really helps justify Linux when our production servers are always running Linux.
Our production servers are all Linux and we have a fully Linux dev stack. My request for a Linux work machine was denied and we have to work in WSL.
Sounds like a pretty shitty place to work for then lol
It’s not great.
I requested a Windows machine at work a few years ago, because the specs were amazing, and I was getting frustrated with Mac OS. After using the Windows machine for a couple days I was reminded why I don’t like Windows anymore, and returned the machine, despite its amazing specs. It just wasn’t worth it.
I have to use SharePoint on a daily basis.
You’re fucked.
We pray for you
As someone who has a good windows laptop at home, windows at work is actual garbage. We had a month where you just couldn’t use the search function, because the act of typing in the search bar caused enough problems it would close the search bar.
Odds are your home computer is somewhat competent and your work one is a steaming pile of trash not fit for purpose.
I ran arch on it for about a year - it’s a gen 9 i5. During that time I had a desktop that ran W10 on a gen 3 i5 and was quite a competent machine. Then with W11 and the TPM requirement that perfectly good windows box became ewaste.
The laptop is fine. Windows 11 is just garbage.
We just had Windows Update brick itself due to a faulty update. The fix required updating them manually while connected to the office network, making them unusable for 2-3 hours. Another issue we’ve had is that Windows appears to be monopolizing virtualization HW acceleration for some memory integrity protection, which made our VMs slow and laggy. Fixing it required a combination of shell commands, settings changes and IT support remotely changing some permission, but the issue also comes back after some updates.
Though I’ve also had quite a lot of Windows problems at home, when I was still using it regularly. Not saying Linux usage has been problem free, but there I can at least fix things. Windows has a tendency to give unusable error messages and make troubleshooting difficult, and even when you figure out what’s wrong you’re at the mercy of Microsoft if you are allowed to change things on your own computer, due to their operating system’s proprietary nature.
Had the same issue with outlook last weeks. 60% CPU usage, doing nothing.
