Honestly call or email the Democratic party offices and voice that you one hundred percent agree with Sanders.
Pelosi needs to fade away into the sunset
Sanders is right, and people are right to be.
Pelosi’s response kinda proves that the DNC is just the other side of the shit coin running the funhouse arcade game of American democracy
I mean they lost what 10mil votes? I’m with sanders they need to fix their shit. Get real. They’re going to run Harris again with slightly more left wing policies, Republicans will point out she’s an insincere flip flop and destroy her again. But it will be the DNC not the Republicans that setup the loss.
The Pelosi interview is honestly batshit insane. She doesn’t see the election as a rejection of the party, thinks the Democrats are doing well, Kamala Harris did everything right, Sanders is wrong, and then she made some backhanded comments about how Biden should have dropped out earlier. I know some of that is spin she that she has to say, but it’s still deeply out of touch.
Honestly, fuck Pelosi. Completely out of touch. I wish we could ride ourselves of these dinosaurs.
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Kamala Harris did everything right
She presented her message of ‘vote for me to keep things the same’ flawlessly. Unfortunately, people who live paycheck to paycheck don’t want things to stay the same.
They’re looking forward to wishing they were able to live paycheck to paycheck…
Lord knows you’re looking forward to watching people suffer just so you can lecture harder.
Scolding voters into voting for someone who represents no deviation from an untenable status quo has failed, very publicly, twice. It doesn’t matter how bad the opponent is. This strategy is shit. Stop using it. Learn, damn you all. Learn.
I voted for Harris.
Me too and I wasn’t saying that I’m looking forward to it…I’m saying the economics are going to be horrible and we’re going to long to these times back.
While that is why will likely happen, most voters aren’t knowledgeable enough to recognize it. They don’t know what tariffs are or how it’ll effect us, for example. They trust the media to tell them the truth, which is horribly misguided.
Yeah, if Trump pulls the stuff he said he’d pull (Tariffs and mass deportations), then the supply of goods inside the country will fall drastically, resulting in stronger inflation. Which will then result in consumption of anything nonessential to collapse. This will lead to increasing unemployment.
She presented her message of ‘vote for me to keep things the same’ flawlessly. Unfortunately, people who live paycheck to paycheck don’t want things to stay the same.
Nope. Her plan was “I am going to lower taxes on the middle class and provide additional help n these specific ways”. But she presented that plan in a very flawed way.
That you were not aware of her actual message is partly your fault and partly her fault.
No, it’s her fault.
I frankly think that while Bernie should be right, he’s not. His strategy would have also failed, though I’d rather that have been the attempt.
Simple fact of the matter is that out of 10 major countries with elections this year, all the incumbents lost. Didn’t matter whether they were left or right or whatever, they lost. Democrats were doomed by being the incumbents at a time when just so many are unhappy with how things currently are, and people are eager to change everything for a shot. Between having the pandemic become endemic everywhere, economies struggling to digest the massive COVID stimulus, supply chains still off due to both recovering from shutdowns and war, and just the overall situation in Ukraine and Gaza, there’s a lot for people to want a change of course, and they don’t know specifically how this all could get fixed.
Even if they went all-in on more leftist policies, most voters won’t see beyond the ‘D’ and know ‘D’ is what we had today, therefore ‘R’ must be attached to the answer. A critical mass of the electorate either can not or will not critically consider the respective platforms and instead just decide based on ‘keep the same’ or ‘change course’.
Meanwhile, in political circles, everyone is talking like the specifics and strategies made this huge difference or that huge difference and what it means, when the fact is likely that this result was pretty much a given no matter what.
I hadn’t thought about it in those terms, but this makes a lot of sense. Especially in a 2-party system the election is inevitably going to be a vibe check on the status quo as much as it is a specific election focusing on specific candidates and policies. I’d like to look more closely at the margins to get a feel for whether the Republicans could have run a ham sandwich and still been successful as opposed to the specific appeal of Trumpism.
Not that that changes how rough the next 4 years are going to get for a lot of people.
Honestly call or email the Democratic party
Do it because it will be cathartic, but don’t do it expecting them to listen. Progressives need a new tack if we’re actually going to save humanity from ourselves. (Spoiler, we probably won’t)
. (Spoiler, we probably won’t)
Pelosi is the best example of what’s wrong with Dems. Literally enriched herself off the pain and suffering of the working class and poor.
Pelosi is wrong about Sanders. But she did not “enrich herself”.
Bernie is literally quoted in the article saying “Nancy is a friend of mine”.
Pelosi is wrong about Sanders. But she did not “enrich herself”.
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The main thing she’s known for is rampant unabashed insider trading. If that isn’t enriching herself then I don’t know what is.
Pelosi is wrong about Sanders. But she did not “enrich herself”.
Are we playing the “it’s her spouse who is the stock investor” game?
https://www.newsweek.com/how-nancy-pelosi-net-worth-vastly-increased-while-house-speaker-1762361
Because if this is how one accumulates wealth, it certainly sounds like it’s “off the pain and suffering of the working class and poor.”
D.C.-based nonprofit OpenSecrets.org estimated Pelosi’s net worth at $115 million in 2020, a rise of $41 million since 2004 - the first year OpenSecrets began tracking members’ personal finances.
Paul Pelosi’s company, Financial Leasing Services, has been highly successful in its investments in recent years and those investments have included shares in major firms such as Disney, Amazon and Google.
The New York Post estimated that the Pelosis had made between $5.6 million and $30.4 million between 2007 and 2020 through capital gains and dividends from investments in five tech companies - Facebook, Google, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft - based on public disclosures.
That’s not really good evidence. They could’ve made more money by just holding an SP 500 index fund. Their recent Visa trade is better evidence.
Fair! But personally it’s my opinion that in all but a vanishingly small number of cases, if someone is sitting on high tens of millions of dollars and on up, I feel very certain that fundamentally this description works:
Literally enriched herself off the pain and suffering of the working class and poor.
While there are people who are underpaid and struggling to eat, there’s not a path to that kind of wealth that isn’t directly or indirectly exploiting their pain and suffering.
Their wealth is itself the evidence.
I’m a Sanders guy, but Pelosi held against an onslaught. She’s tough, and that’s good.
She’s good at holding her own. Too bad her own is neo liberal garbage and self enrichment.
The Democrats win on policy, but they’re horrible at rhetoric.
The dems used to win on policy, but now they do whatever they want (or are paid to do) regardless of the will of their voter base.
They only want to do what pays the best
The fuck are you even talking about? The last shit they could even use their multi-trillion dollar propaganda machine to spin as a positive was RomneyCare.
If anything you’ve got that backwards. They can run the worst candidates possible with literal fucking fascist policies and still get tens of millions of votes based purely on vibes.
I"m saying they’re good at getting shit done, but horrible at letting anyone know they actually got anything done. I don’t even think they vote on vibes given that no one on the GOP hasn’t given off the most scummy fucking vibes I’ve ever felt.
Hell Vance and Paul Ryan have basically the same vibes
I"m saying they’re good at getting shit done, but horrible at letting anyone know they actually got anything done.
And I’m telling you you’re delusional. The exact opposite is true as evidenced by your own rationalization.
I don’t even think they vote on vibes given that no one on the GOP hasn’t given off the most scummy fucking vibes I’ve ever felt.
Did you switch to talking about republicans here? We’re talking about democrats voting and you’re talking about the vibes of the republicans being bad like that’s not literally part of what I already said.
lol. Don’t fuck with Bernie.
Cunt… the American unfriendly version.
We know they don’t respect Sanders.
Exhibit A: Picking Hilary.
They RFK’d him.
It wasn’t disrespect, it was outright fear.
They’re afraid that someone is going to get into that position that can’t be bought and is going to grandstand to the public to ask for the things that donors won’t like.
Corporations are spending a lot of money to own the voices in the government, they don’t want to make any rich people angry.
Members of the DNC were emailing each other about how best to undermine Sanders’ presidential campaign after promising to remain neutral. Democrats, if you want to inspire voters, let them pick the fucking candidate!
Unfortunately his whole political career has been the democrats telling him he’s wrong as they continually shoot themselves in their collective dick.
I, for one, will be writing in his name, voting third party or not at all until they give me a genuinely progressive candidate. Until then, fuck them, and fuck this country.
Now, imagine this sentiment among thousands of people, across multiple states. That’s how you lose an election.
Lmao buddy. Ignoring the people to the left is how you literally just lost an election
That is exactly what they just said.
These people are all whooshing hard on what you said. They can’t even imagine non-scold comments anymore.
It’s okay. We’re all frustrated.
Sorry, but losing strategies deserve to lose. Im tired of voting for someone because they’re slightly less bought and paid for.
The best reason to vote for Harris was because she was going to raise taxes on billionaires and corporations like Biden did also. Why would you NOT do that?
If two partys are not representing my interests at all, the winning strategy is to make my vote about punishing the one that didnt represent my interests when it was in power. This way it will have to adapt to recognize my interests when it needs my vote to get back to power.
By just always voting whatever party claims to be the less evil for me, all i do is create a race to the bottom of evil, as i make sure that my vote does not need to be fought for.
One of the biggest things about being a leftist is being right about stuff before it’s considered polite.
It’s like being Cassandra, the Greek seer who can see the future but is cursed to forever be not believed.
Unfortunately his whole political career has been the democrats telling him he’s wrong
Nope. Neither Biden nor Harris never once told Bernie he is “wrong”.
What is needed is a socialist organization of voters who together have enough voting power to make our break a Democratic representatives career.
What is needed is a socialist organization of voters who together have enough voting power to make our break a Democratic representatives career.
Yes. But it can be any group of voters. Could be a ‘tea party on the left’.
Aren’t organization and group synonymous?
And of course, this is assuming that Trump isn’t going to establish himself as a dictator. Of course, the thing is Trump is too old to be dictator. And the people around him don’t seem to be the most competent, either. So I sort of don’t know what’s going to happen. In any case, I’m glad that I don’t live in the US, thought authoritarianism is advancing globally.
If Trump is going to establish himself as a dictator, then this kind of group is even more important. Lots of socialist groups have toppled totalitarian leaders, and when they haven’t, it’s usually because of western countries like the US helping the dictator. Of course, it might have to run underground a bit more, but solidarity between various organizations will be extremely important in the upcoming 4 years.
Well, you’re right, but then the group’s tactics would need to be fundamentally different.
progressives are already 8% of voters. We can make or break elections now.
And progressive policies are supported by supermajorities of both democrat and republican voters…. Oh well
Having the numbers isn’t enough, there needs to be organization. A group of 8% of the electorate that votes in lockstep could affect policy pretty fundamentally, more than any amount of money could.
Pelosi is Democrat leadership. She is responsible for the supreme court running rampant, kamala, and the war on drugs still being a thing. She deserves to be hung as a traitor to the republic. Furious. We are furious at her. I’m angry at my dog for pissing on the couch. I’m furious at Pelosi.
You do know Pelosi stepped down from her leadership position almost exactly 2 years ago, right?
And she’s no longer making decisions for the party, right? …right?!
Certainly not making public statements or anything.
…so what did we just read in the article?
Oh buddy. It’s sarcasm. It’s in the headline.
You mean her formal position as speaker of the house?
What an amazingly condescending tone to turn on your mod flag for. And to be so wrong!
Speaker of the House is different from Minority Leader.
She was removed as Speaker when the House fell to Republican control.
She voluntarily stepped down as minority leader almost exactly 2 years ago, replaced by Hakeem Jeffries.
She’s no longer a leader of the party other than in terms of seniority. Hasn’t been for 2 years.
Calm down with the paragraph breaks
We’re talking about leadership within the democratic party
Not leadership positions in congress
She has no leadership in the party without an official leadership position in the House.
The only thing separating her from any other person in Congress is seniority. She’s #5 in congress behind 2 Republicans and 2 Democrats:
Hal Rogers - R - Kentucky - Dean of the House
Chris Smith - R - New Jersey
Steny Hoyer - D - Maryland
Marcy Kaptur - D - OhioI can’t speak for you, but I know I never heard of Marcy Kaptur before today. Steny Hoyer, definitely.
She has no leadership in the party without an official leadership position in the House.
She has donors and money and client patron relationships with people in power, including the current democratic party leadership in your formulation
I can’t speak for you, but I know I never heard of Marcy Kaptur before today.
Yes that’s correct
If you start hanging people trying to run the government no good people will want to be in the government.
it is a feedback loop for national bloodshed.
Pelosi’s attitude is a big reason why
She believes voters work for her and need to do what she wants or she scolds them, afterwards they’ll listen.
Bernie believes the best way to get elected is to show voters you’ll help them.
One method is very effective, it’s just foreign governments, billionaires, and corporations pay a lot of money to make sure candidates like that never make it out of a primary.
If an elected official put the average voter first, where does that leave the wealthy?
Not first? Completely unacceptable, Thurston get my mink we’re leaving.
One method is very effective, it’s just foreign governments, billionaires, and corporations pay a lot of money to make sure candidates like that never make it out of a primary.
Slight disagreement. They pay a lot of money so candidates like that don’t make it into a primary.
Bernie is one of the few remaining politicians in our country who are in politics as a service vs a career. I wouldn’t be surprised if after every time he gets elected he consoles himself, “this’ll be the last time you need to run, this is the cycle where we’ll fix American politics and you can go back to your dream of opening an ice cream shop.”
