Mine is they shouldn’t have made the sequel series without George as a consultant.

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      I was so invested in the OT… and no more movies came, so I accepted there wouldn’t be more movies.

      As such when they came out and were shitty, I didn’t mind as much.

      That’s made it easier for me to dip in and enjoy some of the new content. I’m not expecting it to be good, and can be surprised when it is.

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        Yeah, but it’s kind of like having a park where you used to play as a kid, but then people start dumping garbage there, and trashing the playground, and leaving cigarette-butts and needles in the grass. Maybe you can find a little corner where you can remember how it used to be, but then you see the rest of it.

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    My hot take, is that star wars pieces of media are only considered “good” if the viewer was too young to perceive the politics in the work when they first saw it. There are exceptions like rogue one/andor, but I think it mostly holds.

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    Mine is they shouldn’t have made the sequel series without George as a consultant a plan

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    My take on Star Wars is that it is about as bad as SciFi can get. It is a Grimm fairy tale from someone who has read Dune without understanding it and the skills to pull it through.

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    The whole turning off the lightsaber in combat being seen as dishonorable by the sith. The sith lie, cheat, steal, torture, and murder people to get what they want but somehow this is where they draw the line?

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    Hot take? Obi-Wan doesn’t need to be on the high ground, the high ground just needs to exist within the battle;

    Obi-Wan knows that when he has the low ground, he really has the high ground, from a certain point of view; see Diagram A.

    Look at his battle record:

    Maul: Has low ground, wins Example A

    Dooku: No high ground, loses

    Dooku rematch: No high ground, loses Example B.

    Greivous: Has low ground, wins Example C

    Vader: Has high ground, wins

    Vader rematch: No high ground, loses

    Obi-Wan with the high/low ground is canonically the most powerful Jedi. This is fact. Had Yoda not denied his request to battle The Senate with typical Jedi arrogance, Obi-Wan could have defeated Palpatine in the Senate building, which housed a variety of different altitudes; this was designed so that the Chancellor could always have the moral high ground in political debates. But Obi-wan didn’t fight The Senate, and Yoda soon learned that you can’t cleave the Sheev in a normal 1v1. It took the Tusken Raiders years of conflict against Old Ben Kenobi to grasp his superiority in terrain advantage, as you see them visibly flee in ANH when they realize he holds the low (inverse-high) ground; this was the optimal strategy against a near-invincible opponent.

    Yoda is shorter than virtually every other fighter, which gives him a permanent low-ground disadvantage; however, his saber-fighting style utilizes a flipping-heavy technique in order to negate this weakness for a temporary window. You’ll notice that, after falling from the central podium in The Senate’s building, he immediately retreats upon realizing he is on the lowest ground. You’ll also notice that, while training Luke, he rides on him like a mount, to gain the intellectual high ground and accelerate Luke’s training. Example D . Obi-Wan’s defensive Form III lightsaber style synergizes with his careful military maneuvers; as he only strikes when prepared, he can always hold the strategic high ground. (The business on Cato Neimodia doesn’t count.) You’ll come to realize that this is why Commander Cody’s artillery strike failed against Obi-Wan, when hundreds of Jedi were killed in similar attacks. Cody failed to grasp the strategic situation, as the Jedi Master’s elevation was superior to his by hundreds of meters, making him virtually unkillable. (You’ll notice that all the Jedi killed in Order 66 were on level ground with the clones, thereby assuring their demise.) Had Cody taken his time and engaged the Jedi on even terrain, he would have succeeded. Obi-Wan subsequently retreated under the surface of the lake, so that he could maintain the topographical low/high ground. This is why Obi-Wan is so willing to fight against impossible odds to the point where he thrusts himself in immediate danger; when your probability of victory is 1-to-10, you have the statistical (and therefore strategic) low ground, a numerical advantage when you use your point of view to flip the value to 10/1 . Almost losing is, in Obi-Wan’s case, certain victory. (See Example E). In ANH, Vader proves his newfound mastery by engaging Obi on perfectly even ground. However, Obi-Wan intentionally sacrifices himself on the Death Star, so that he could train Luke from a higher plane of existence, thereby giving him the metaphysical high ground Example G.

    Why was Vader so invested in the construction and maintenance of the Death Star? Because he knows Obi-wan can’t have the high ground if there’s no ground left. Image A. As seen through the events of the Clone Wars, Obi-Wan was known to be on friendly terms with Senator Organa, whose homeworld held large quantities of mountainous terrain, the perfect habitat for a Jedi Master. Grand Moff Tarkin was already in position to destroy Alderaan as a first target, as the distance from Scarif to Alderaan was too vast to reach between the escape and recapture of the Tantive IV, even at 1.0 lightspeed. Alderaan had been the initial target all along, as Obi-Wan with the high ground was the primary threat to the Death Star. How? Because a moon-sized space station would have some form of gravitational pull, thereby negating Obi-Wan’s zero-gravity weakness; Obi-Wan with the perpetual high-ground in a low-orbit starfighter would easily be able to fire proton torpedoes through a ventilation shaft, although the Empire was uncertain of the specific weakness of the Death Star planted by Galen Erso (who was a good friend).

    A common misconception is the idea of a ‘prostrate position’ version of the high ground, wherein Obi-Wan lies flat on his back, giving him tactical superiority from his point of view. However, this strategy is futile, as for the high ground to come into effect, there must be a differential between parties on both the x-axis and y-axis to a moderately significant variation from both absolutes (Angles only a Sith would deal in). For Obi-Wan’s high ground powers to be in full effect, he must stand between 15 and 75 degrees (π/12 to 5π/12 radians) diagonal from his opponent(s) on any quadrant of the area circle; this has been dubbed the Trigonometric Perspective Diagram. (Diagram B). The total effect for conventional high ground advantage can be calculated via the MetaComm Equation, or f(x) = lim 0→x π/12 | 7π/12 5π/12 | 11π/12 Ʃ(x) (2tan(x) / 3sin(x) + (log10Δ)) * Φ

    ‘x’ refers to the angle of contact between the two parties on, with advantage being based purely on position on the Y-axis, as the vast majrity of force users base their perception on elevation rather than spacial relativity. Δ refers to distance (measured in meters) between units on the hypotenuse; distance has some effect in tactical advantage during typical skirmishes, but accurate values for Δ based on equipped weapon are not finalized. The power of gravitational force has great effect on the high ground; too weak, and the high ground holds no traction; too strong and the ground becomes the real enemy. Experimentation has proven that the high ground typically holds significant value between .8 and 1.4 β (Earth Gravity) with maximum impact standing roughly equal to 1.05. Pressure is equally important, as it is a surrounding force attached to gravity (the high ground has famously low impact in aquatic environments). Pressure(λ) is measured in pounds per square inch (psi), to be used as a gavity multiplier (or division if pressure is sub-atmospheric; a pressure of 0 would theoretically negate the high ground, due to the high ground not existing without gravity. This is merely speculation, however, as the gravity value still exists, thereby defining the high and low grounds). Φ (Surrounding Force) is a variable defined as β * 2.2λ , with no metric value assigned due to its singular application in the MetaComm equations.

    In situations regarding Obi-Wan and his relativistic point of view, you must substitute the Quadrilateral MetaComm Equation (the Jedi Master function), f(x) = lim 0→x minmaxƩ (2tan(x) / 3sin(x) ) * (1.2)Φ [min = (|cos(x)| = 1) | (|sin(x)| = 1) + π/12 ), max = (|cos(x)| = 1) | (|sin(x)| = 1) + 5π/12 ]. The viable Φ field is expanded, as Obi-Wan has taken advantage of the high ground in so many different environments that he simply uses it more efficiently, and the min/max values apply due to his multidimensional point of view, evidenced by the Trigonometric Perspective Diagram. Additionally, the distance factor does not affect Obi-Wan, as spacetime can be perspectively compressed, giving him the ideal Δ value from his point of reference.

    In conclusion, Obi-Wan abuses spatial relativity and Taoist doctrine in order to always invoke his high-ground powers. To properly analyze the strategic genius of Kenobi, one must hold advanced knowledge in Philosophy, Mathematics, and Calculus-based Physics, and be able to integrate these topics together. The impact of research in Obi-Wan’s mastery of the high ground ranges from military purposes to spiritual nirvana, although progress moves slowly (but this is actually a benefit, as it gives academia plenty of opportunities to publish studies, thereby giving us the scholastic high ground.) Most importantly, if you find yourself standing on the low ground- don’t try it.

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        Depending on which school of thought you adhere to, this could take anywhere between 3 hours or the heath death of the universe

        Be aware tho, some people have suspiciously been falling over windows after the thesis statement introduction and we still don’t know why, but we are doing our best to investigate

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      Funny long text, but the highground thing makes sense. Maul was arrogant and either forgot about the other saber or was so confident he didn’t care. Anakin was arrogant thinking “I’ll use the same trick he did when fighting Maul, and I will win”.

      The entire thing is about underestimating your opponent and thinking “I have the advantage, not him”.

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        In either case, he lost the strategical high ground. No good strategist is that arrogant (BTW genius move by Qui Gon, winning the metaphysical high ground and making the enemy lose the strategical high ground) or forgets about the locations of suspicious pitfalls or enemy weapons

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    The Obi Wan show should’ve had more seasons and every single finale should’ve been him beating the shit out of Darth Vader every single time.

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    The Last Jedi, especially if you don’t take into account The Rise of Skywalker’s sloppy reaction to it, is the best Star Wars movie since ROTJ, and maybe since Empire.

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        I did not, though admittedly there’s a world where Rian Johnson takes pointers from some of R1’s action sequences and TLJ is even more clearly the best SW movie of the last thirty years.

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        Oh thanks for reminding me of my hot take: Rogue One is a thoroughly mediocre and boring movie that fails to give any of its characters personality or development. The only reason it has any acclaim is that it’s a “dark” plot in an otherwise saccharine franchise, and if the Star Wars set dressing was removed the whole movie would fall over like a potemkin village.

        I do think it’s better than several of the main movies, but that’s not saying much… And I’d probably rather rewatch those trainwrecks because at least they’re entertaining.

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      The Last Jedi is kind of like an AI hallucination: any given finger is very realistically rendered, but put together the hand doesn’t make sense.

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    they shouldn’t have made the sequels as they are at all. they should’ve just adapted the books into movies.

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    I think Acolyte would have been a good show if they had ditched the kung fu gimmick and concentrated more on the writing. I think the overall story was a good idea that got buried under a mountain of marketing crap.

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    Star Wars is just a formulaic fantasy story with a sci-fi coat of paint on it. The original trilogy was groundbreaking because of the special effects, and the story was entertaining enough to not distract from that. The other six films in the main storyline bring nothing new to the table, and are thus boring cashgrabs.

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      Thank you. I would even argue that Return of the Jedi wasn’t great either. I mean sure, it was beautiful and the Moon of Endor with its giant trees looked amazing, but the plot was mostly a rehash of the original (another Death Star? Really?) plus silly Ewok shenanigans that made the empire into a total joke.

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        Good point, that was the beginning of the decline already.

        Those speeder bike scenes, though. >chef’s kiss< The rest of the film could’ve been Han Solo throwing up into his helmet and I still would’ve watched it.

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          The speeder scenes rocked, the few times I got to play the game on that in an arcade it was definitely closer to actually riding at death defying speeds in a semi open forest area, and it wasn’t a quarter game either if I recall.

          The score with the final lightsaber scene makes it great as well though in my books. Without the same music it wouldn’t have worked nearly as well…though that’s probably the same for a lot of the scenes. As great as the movie is I can still just listen to the music on its own, used to even on vinyl back in the day, Dad’s soundtrack and my fisher price record player lol.

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    Rogue One has the best score. It drives the movie like a madman. It’s amazing that it’s only one NOT done by John Williams. But I think they took what he created and built a masterpiece.

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    They should have had a trilogy story arc planned out before making the new movies made the directors play within that.

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      For episode 7 it looked like they had a plan and the made a huge turn and all the beats from the first movie just fizzled

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      How do you know “somehow Palpatine returned” wasn’t the plan from the beginning?