Woody Guthrie - Pretty Boy Floyd
Yes, as through this world I’ve wandered I’ve seen lots of funny men Some will rob you with a six-gun And some with a fountain pen
And as through your life you travel Yes, as through your life you roam You won’t never see an outlaw Drive a family from their home
From the Youtube comments: “This is the acoustic version of ‘Fuck the Police’”
He was seen positively by the public because, during robberies, he burned mortgage documents freeing many people from their debts.
Shit seems relevant.
Also, Stagger Lee, an old blues standard about a violent badass that has been interpreted and reinterpreted for over a century
Bonnie and Clyde! Billy the Kid! I haven’t yet met the cute got girl who doesn’t have a list of favorite serial killers!
Slightly off topic but there was an escaped monkey around and people would never report it until they were sure it was gone, they didn’t want it caught.
the entire western genre
Hehehe
Revolting and overthrowing a government is against the law…so all the mother fuckers that signed that paper with Hancock.
Is it just america? robin hood. guy fawkes.
Guy Fawkes isn’t idolised, the festival is about burning him alive and even if you don’t agree with that his reasons for doing what he did were shit
Ah. I guess V for vendetta made me think it was celebrating him.
That was an alternate history where he was successful and celebrated.
Ned Kelly is an Australian icon, primarily known for an armoured shoot out with the cops.
Guy fawks is British
I’d love to hear where you think Robin Hood is from
I thought both were from the uk.
They are
Yeah I can’t refute stinkys comment without actually living there or at least having a friend or something I stay in close contact with or something.
“is it just America? Guy Fawkes” means “is it just america? Guy Fawkes is an example of an outlaw idolized by Americans who is not himself an American”
yeah I thought he was idolized by ukians and maybe europeans.
From da 'hood, obviously.
Yes, that is the point
“is it just America? Guy Fawkes” means “is it just america? Guy Fawkes is an example of an outlaw idolized by Americans who is not himself an American”
Brazil has Lampião and Padre Ciço. … Though Ciço is less ‘criminal’ and more ‘heretic’. He’s considered a saint by many nevertheless.
Can’t remember his name, but the right love to fawn over the guy who built “killdozer”
The rap genre
Well classic rap.
Today’s rap doesn’t have as much bragging and flexing. Not to say it doesn’t happen, it’s just not as significant as classic rap.
Today’s rap doesn’t have as much bragging and flexing
What rap are you listening to🤨? And what do you define as classic rap?
Yeah today’s rap definitely has bragging and flexing, it’s just sort of flanderized from “I’m a thug who is tough, fight hard to get what I’ve got, look at me now” to “I’ve got money, I get women, I get fucked up”
Hehehe
The entire eastern genre
I didn’t see no crime, the adjustor is a public servant, shitlord.
the adjustor
That’s what we’re going with? Works for me. I thought “Robin Hoodie” was a bit too generic. I like this one better.
I think my spelling is off tbh
Quick search here and on reddit showing that most people are using “the adjuster”
Either way has beautiful ring to it
John Dillinger had his fans too. I recall going to a wax museum in Indiana dedicated to him. There was a display with an electric chair in it.
The guy who shot that CEO, is probably the most recent example…
Blackbeard, Colonial Revolutionaries, Jesse James, Billy the kid, Butch Cassidy, Wild Bill Hickock, Guy Fawx, Al Capone, John Dillinger, Bonnie & Clyde, Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffery Dahmer, OJ Simpson, Mike Tyson, Donald Trump.
You just started naming criminals.
I mean, yeah. The whole outlaw bit sort of implies crimes.
What did you expect?
Gotta be honest, that’s literally what outlaw means
I think outlaw also implies being on the run.
Being an actual outlaw literally means you have been declared outside of the law for your presumed crimes. Anyone can kill you without question because society has washed its hands of you.
On the way to that status you will typically rack up some warrants and bounty offers.
Or not, depending on how corrupt the judge was.
I’m not arguing but there was a clear delineation where it went from like 20s outlaws to like 1990s pop culture criminals.
I noticed that too. And I think it has to do with WW2. Hitler and his allies were the bad guys, and it seems there was a period going into and after the war where didn’t pay much attention to any other criminals. During this time we saw the birth of Super heroes, and we rallied around the good guys.
I think it crossed over with Manson which was 60s/70s but I think your point stands.
Some of the criminals after the crossover were cult leaders though…
Came back around with Tyson and Trump (depending on your preferred political party).
That would be “time”… you go through history and eventually you get to 1990.
George Floyd
I think George Floyd is mentioned by people to highlight how out of control the police in America are. They are thugs with badges, and they need to be reigned in, but that’s not likely to happen due to America leaning more toward “bootlicker” these days. George Floyd was murdered by shit cops. He should be remembered so we can hold bad police actions accountable. Fuck the police.
That’s more of a “minor crimes don’t deserve execution” thing
I don’t think Manson, Gacy, or Dahmer are idolized.
Simpson and Tyson are idolized for their non-criminal activities, not because they’re criminals. They’re not famous for being criminals, whereas most of the others are.
Trump is definitely an interesting one though…lol
I was thinking about that as I was typing them up. It’s really hard to draw a line on how criminal they are, or fame vs infamy, etc.
Yeah. The serial killers are definitely infamous, but nobody normal is thinking “Boy, we could sure use someone like that again”.
…but someone who goes around stealing from big banks and insurance companies while also destroying people’s mortgages (so they don’t have to make payments on their houses)? I’m sure some people could get behind that.
Especially with the reaction we’re seeing to the murder of the health insurance company CEO. I’m sure people have been coming up with lists of other deserving CEOs.
Dahmer is one of those who had prison groupies. As do the Columbine shooters, Harris and Klebold. Apparently there’s a certain kind of chick that gets lubed up for mass murderers.
That’s a good point. I wouldn’t call that mainstream, though.
I’m not sure if Al Capone gets support the way that Walter White does or if he’s more of a Robin Hood…but a lot of the “heroic criminals” in US folklore (especially the criminals of the “wild West” who robbed banks and supported the poor) are purely the Robin Hood types.
Dahmer’s fans are crazy. As are the Columbine Shooters’ fans. But Robin Hood-types could generally be supported by the general person without raising an eyebrow these days.
I tend to think that Trump is getting idolized, too.
For being a criminal or by being a grifter?
Grifting is often illegal too.
There are people that will idolise all of these, even though they may be a minority. I don’t think that this is what OP meant.
Bonnie and Clyde
Does Jack Sparrow count?
I think Rosa Parks and the Boston Tea Party-goers can be counted.
