Summary
The White House now claims Elon Musk is not leading DOGE, despite Trump previously stating Musk was in charge of the task force cutting $2 trillion in federal spending.
A court filing says Musk is only a senior adviser without formal decision-making authority. However, Musk’s tweets and Trump’s remarks suggest he has been directing DOGE’s activities.
The revelation raises legal concerns, as lawsuits argue DOGE violates the Appointments Clause by bypassing Senate confirmation.
A federal judge is set to rule on an emergency motion against Musk’s involvement.
All right, who’s making the decisions then?
Elon, they’re lying.
I like the answer that grue@lemmy.world gave.
It’s Schrödinger’s control: for the purpose of having executive authority over the project 2025 policy agenda he is in control, except when doing so is illegal in which case he isn’t. The status depends on who’s looking, as it is always exactly the status that evades accountability.
Well well
Another day in the minefield, another lie is sold
Wow I can’t believe Trump would just lie like that.
It wasn’t a lie. Just an alternative fact.
For those unaware of the term “alternative facts” here is a heads up:
“Alternative facts” was a phrase used by U.S. Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway during a Meet the Press interview on January 22, 2017, in which she defended White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer’s false statement about the attendance numbers at Donald Trump’s first inauguration as President of the United States. When pressed during the interview with Chuck Todd to explain why Spicer would “utter a provable falsehood”, Conway stated that Spicer was giving “alternative facts”. Todd responded, “Look, alternative facts are not facts. They’re falsehoods.”
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Another day in Trump’s life.
“The day Donald Trump came to your village and lied to you was a Tuesday. For Donald Trump it was also a Tuesday.”
But he told you it was Wednesday and you believed him
you believed him
“It will become, potentially, the Manhattan Project of our time”
In that hundreds of thousands will die and millions more will have their lives shortened and worsened as a result.
Could you edit that with a link or text for the accessibility of it all?
To be fair, he’s a very unreliable source.
Sometimes I worry about that strategy. He spouts so many lies it’s hard to wade through the bullshit and see what he actually plans to do.
It normalizes his rhetoric in a way that makes people say, “That’s just Trump talking shit.” When we don’t take him seriously we put ourselves at a disadvantage.
Also, look at his accusations about almost anything. Such projection. It seems like every time he chastises someone it’s for something he regularly does (or will do soon).
I agree completely actually, I was just calling Trump a liar.
You lost me at “White House claims.” Gonna need a reputable source, please.
Lol a source who’s source is what the commenter is looking for an external source for.
Source-circles are great lol.
Or you know, impeach and remove the president who lied to the population about what was going on. He’s a public servant as well.
Ok, maybe I will!
Fucking finally man, I knew I was asking the wrong people previously
PapaStevesy is the person America needs right now
I would say that usually the courts see through thinly veiled attempts to put up a fake separation between decision makers and their positions. But lately I’m not sure of anything.
“Don’t look at the man behind the curtains!”
Precisely the first reference that popped into my head 🤣
America regressing into a banana republic
Good leaders dont sow chaos and confusion
A federal judge is set to rule on an emergency motion against Musk’s involvement.
Best we will get is a superficial ruling that says he can’t do it while he continues to do it and there will be absolutely zero consequences nor will all of the people who he fucked receive any form of justice.
Depends on how far Judge Tanya Chutkan is willing to go see her order(s) enforced. She famously has no love for Trump and his law breaking. Even so any ruling negative to Trump will probably get appealed to the Supremely Corrupt Court and get overturned.
It’s actually not very fun watching a country fall to fascism.
Well the key here would be to get a state to press the charges based on her ruling and then put out a warrant for Musks arrest, that way Trump can’t pardon the arrest nor can Musk freely travel the country as extradition laws would take hold.
“I’m not the head of the department, it’s just an empty shell company with a puppethead that follows my every whim.”
This is unironically functionally the same as how ‘Sovereign Citizens’ attempt to escape legal liability.
You see, you’re suing a legal entity that isn’t me.
But also, I can act with, as, and through my legal entity.
But also also, I’m not actually responsible for anything bad I do, because my legal entity did that, not me.
The sad state of our laws are such that they could set up a S-Corp or C-Corp and act in official capacity of that corporation literally get away with murder.
~ President of the United States, 2025
I wonder if it’s possible to play to their egos and sow discord by continuing to call them President Musk and Mr. Trump.
Pretty sure Stephen King just got booted from Twitter for calling trump the first lady. That’s what a coworker told me, anyways.
But I thought misgendering someone isn’t a crime on twitter?!
Would it even be misgendering? I thought trump officially said that all people were female when she said that sex is determined at conception.
Statement: Technically it made every person agendered.
Conclusion: The only acceptable term is they, them, and meatbag.
“HK, why do you keep calling me ‘meatbag?’”
Didn’t he already decided for himself to leave twitter? I seem to vaguely remember some post about it a while ago. Not that he is wrong though.
It would make more sense that king wouldn’t have stayed on Twitter this long. I also liked the story, so here we are.
I’m sure they’re making enough money/deals to not care about such things.
You might think so but I’m not convinced. They’re both clearly not well adjusted individuals. If anything I think the pettiness gets to them more than your average person.
First boyfriend “the Donny” Trump
Every reporter who asks trump a question should follow it up with “and what does Elon musk think about that?”
“Did Elon already approve this, or are you still waiting for him to decide?”
Gotta push Donnie’s buttons harder.
Man, scratching his head like that? That’s a mf meme.
Sounds like it would be more efficient if it didnt exist then?
I’ve never had faith in politics, this isn’t helping.
That’s what this ghouls want, it’s their wholr purpose and their whole deal. If you don’t have political institutions to protect you, they can eat you whole. And the best way to destroy political institutions is to errode public support for them.
No, I’ve never had faith in politics… this whole mess just convinces me I’ve been right not to.
This mess is here in big part because you and your fellow children never had faith in politics, and people who do have this faith decided for you.
You had a chance to prevent it, multiple chances if you’re slightly older, but you threw it away, multiple times.I believe we’re in this mess because you did choose to have faith in politics… in fallible, corruptible people.
And the alternative was what, to firebomb a wallmart? How many wallmarts you firebombed, how is the glorious revolution going?
You didn’t think very hard about my response to you.
Your response doesn’t contain anything to think about. You believe in some version of the antielectoralism and there is no version of that that is serious. You just want to feel cool and above everything, while doing exactly what the right wants you to do.
Alternatively you know exactly what you’re doing, but that’s worse, that would mean I am wasting my time trying to convince a biorobot, and I don’t want that to be a reality.
Reminder: this guy could be impeached and out of office in under 24 hours, but every single Republican is actively choosing to be a Nazi instead.
Impeachment is only the first step, Orange Hamburglar has already been impeached multiple times, but the DoJ has never levied actual charges against him, so the act of impeachment itself is just a badge of dishonor until the government chooses to enforce its own laws. Asinine setup from beginning to end to protect criminals in power.
He was impeached multiple times the last time he was in office, why would doing it again magically dethrown him?
Let’s be honest we all know what needs to be done to remove them from power.
Impeachment is what the House does, and it is basically a formal accusation. It then goes to the Senate for conviction, which if successful results in removal.
Given that the Rs in both chambers are complicit in Trump’s actions, neither of his impeachments resulted in a conviction, and he is equally unlikely to be impeached under the current Congress.
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The ultimate game. Get into a position of power, work for free, your work is to guarantee you come out richer. Hire employees for “your” agency that is just a rebranded agency that already exists so no paperwork need be filed. Then, sound like a person of authority while “advising” said agency. Command those gullible 18-21-year-old kids to do unspeakable acts they’re too young and immature to comprehend.
Kids end up being charged with the actionable crime, free “advisor” dude parachutes out the window to collect his solidified tax breaks.
Oh, no, no, no. We’re too old for this. If any action is to happen it needs to be done to Elon. We’re not stupid. We know where these orders descend from.
Perhaps in a more rational timeline. We’re fucked.
I hate to be so pessimistic but I’m feeling overwhelmed lately.
Oh sure, let us actually have choice in action. I’m speaking about how the Old Laws worked in the Long Long Ago. Now that there is no law, the hilarious part is that these old codgers that made this world domination plan forgot that law doesn’t matter when it comes down to it. Program a Tesla to explode while driving, why not? Random snipers on the way to work? Why not? McDonalds burger full of cyanide, why not? I’m not suggesting any evil action here, I just find it supremely funny that these idiots made a football play on America and the one thing they missed, which is the one thing the Republinazis always miss, is that rules are for all. When rules for thee vs me tease out, shit goes south real fast. They think the very laws they are dismantling will somehow let them be safe at the same time.
The supreme hypocrisy of the under-educated is what it boils down to. America’s Golden Shower Age.
Fun fact theres some evidence that the reason that Soissons was able to last so long while most of the other Roman holdouts collapsed is because they were able to avoid overt levels of favoritism under the law. Mind you this is Roman frontier law so it just meant folks got crucified equally.
