• ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org
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    Luigi has become such an icon and crystallized so many frustrations that I’m hopeful his conviction will finally spark the rebellion this country desperately needs. Hopefully in time before it turns into a fully fledged dictatorship - so, pretty soon.

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      It’s literally been the only light in the world of darkness for over a decade.

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        I started the Luigi Mangione “documentary” on HBO (I hesitate to call it that instead of what it is, propaganda)…and I didn’t even get 10 minutes into it and they were going on and on about how the UH CEO was such a good family man with so much good potential.

        Gag!! 🤮

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          Which is funny because everything I’ve heard about him is that he was a huge prick.

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            I haven’t finished the doc, and I’m not sure I’ll be able to. It’s just offensive intellectually.

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              That reminds me of when I tried to watch the Hilary Clinton one on Netflix and the intro was just like five minutes of her shit talking Bernie Sanders and his supporters, and then the intro song was a punk song by The Interrupters. I wanted to throw the fuck up.

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            Wait wait wait, hold up. You’re telling me the CEO of an insurance company was a huge prick? Nah, there’s no way, I don’t believe you. That’s simply not possible.

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              Nah they’re all great guys! Anything else anyone tries to tell you is all liberal communist propaganda

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    If he’s actually put to death, he’ll become a martyr. Saint Luigi Mangione. If this doesn’t spark a revolution, we’re fucking toast. I hate this fucking timeline.

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    Question: Will “The Government’s most solemn responsibility is to protect its citizens from abhorrent acts” be on the gates to the concentration camps?

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      Biden had the chance with the backing of the supreme court and their ruling on “official actions” on top of the already strong legal case, but he didn’t because the ruling class sticks together no matter how much they talk about “danger to democracy”.

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        The past has no meaning. We are moving past what already happened and trying to resolve today’s issues in the moment. IDC who did what and its time we started getting along and working together to protect what’s left of our country and the freedoms we fought wars for. Make the current regime the suckers and the losers and let them argue, not us.

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          If you only let fascists make use of power then only fascists will have power. Either way, Biden had the legal justification to pursue it in the courts, even without the supreme court decision, but the useless AG did basically nothing the whole time.

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        People who think you’re being flippant absolutely do not understand the gravity of what’s happening right now.

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          And remarks like that are defeatist and useless. The only acceptable comments are that I dare a mother fucker to try to become a dictator and overthrow American democracy

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            The thing is, for that to have teeth there needs to be a credible threat to him. There isn’t one right now.

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        No officially sanctioned punishment will ever come his way other than a fine. Edit oops meant to respond to same person as you

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    President Donald Trump ordered the attorney general to pursue the death penalty “for all crimes of a severity demanding its use” in an executive order signed January 20. The order ended the moratorium on federal executions enacted by former President Joe Biden’s administration.

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    Trump, in an executive order: “The Government’s most solemn responsibility is to protect its citizens from abhorrent acts, and my Administration will not tolerate efforts to stymie and eviscerate the laws that authorize capital punishment against those who commit horrible acts of violence against American citizens.”

    Abhorrent acts like denying over 1/4 of healthcare coverage claims? Abhorrent acts like demanding surgeons scrub out and immediately call back the insurer to justify the surgery that they were in the middle of performing?

    No, of course not.

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      The other side of that coin is that capital punishment doesn’t protect anyone from anything. In fact, it puts us all in more danger for a variety or reasons, including:

      • The State can kill you with impunity if so desired
      • Where capital punishment exists, people who commit crimes are more likely to escalate to more heinous acts in order to evade capture
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        capital punishment is only there to satiate conservative voters in the countries, they love this. otherwise the states wouldve all eliminated them already.

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        I only wanted to point out the hypocrisy, but you make a good point:

        Where capital punishment exists, people who commit crimes are more likely to escalate to more heinous acts in order to evade capture

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          I forgot:

          • Innocent people get executed a lot.

          And this indirect effect, even when the person sentenced to death is undeniably guilty:

          • Opportunity cost. The legal process of appeals that goes on before a convicted person is actually executed is more costly than life imprisonment. The money spent on that process is not spent on constructive public good.
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      Trump wasn’t talking about Luigi, his act was about supplying lethal injection drugs to states with pending executions. Luigi hasn’t received any sentencing.

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        President Donald Trump ordered the attorney general to pursue the death penalty “for all crimes of a severity demanding its use” in an executive order signed January 20. The order ended the moratorium on federal executions enacted by former President Joe Biden’s administration.

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      By his own decree his 2020 administration should be facing capitol punishment for acts of federal agents in Portland and other cities during peaceful protests over unrest at the time.

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    The wealthy will make an example out of him. Meanwhile, they will continue holding up Daniel Penny as the right kind of extrajudicial murderer.

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    Rich fucks are afraid he might go after them if he gets out of jail one day.

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      Even moreso, I think they’re worried this will normalize violence against their class, so they want to make an example of him. One Luigi can be imprisoned or executed; a thousand Luigis is a bigger problem.

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          I think Luigi is like Batman. As long as they have time to prepare and strap up, my money is on the 100 duck sized Luigis.

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            isnt he more like punisher/dexter. Batman is a goody two shoes, vigilante.

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              Well yeah certainly not like Batman in all respects. But kinda like Batman in the sense of a well-off white dude turned vigilante who goes after criminals that the standard justice system methods aren’t equipped to handle.

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        Ironic point, given making a martyr of someone is a better way to galvanize supporters. Big reason we… er, people, haven’t assassinated Trump.

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        they had to consistently astroturf him on MSMS and some anti-luigi comments on places like reddit to bring conservative back under thier fold, not even the grifters were fooling them at the time, it took like a month later to use one russian issued grifter, jack to do it.

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    Trump freed 1500 criminals who wanted to kill elected officials in a terrorist-style seige of the capital.

    But yeah, go punish a national hero.

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    Good. They should try to get the death penalty which will put the jury under the maximum pressure to nullify.

    I wonder if some of the legal fund can be used for public service announcements to educate the public on jury nullification. IIRC judges don’t like to hear that kinda talk in court.

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        No, but state nullification will still matter. And there are few New Yorkers who wouldn’t nullify in this case, I feel. Being in NY.

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          Anecdotal of course, but I’d nullify and am from NY and most ppl I know would as well. This is one of those few things that surpasses political divides due to just how unhappy ppl are with our healthcare system.

          I come from a family of doctors. My older bro surgeon was telling me how weird it was to see even doctors celebrating the murder of someone, when they routinely save the lives of scumbags. That’s how reviled health insurance companies are. Doctors would rather happily save the life of a shot gangbanger over a CEO who makes sport of trading lives for money. They attribute far more deaths to him and hold him accountable for lives lost that could have been saved.

          The only industry where you do your job, save lives, and then have to beg to be paid regularly, often needing to argue on the phone on a patient by patient basis, wasting yet more time from doctors. Have to employ whole departments of people whose only job is to talk to insurance companies and get permission for everything ahead of time (prior authorizations) and then an entire other team who will still appeal the claims when they inevitably get denied (medical billers). And then they STILL need to talk to the doctor directly to argue in what’s call Peer to Peer, where the doctor now has to argue against another doctor employed by the insurance company. They have to argue with a doctor who represents the insurance company instead of human life. Mind boggling.

          It’s a completely shit show.

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      I hope you’re right, but would bet against nullification actually happening either way.

      Even if they find him guilty, he could be pardoned after the revolution.

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        Im betting trump personally assigns Eileen Canon to this case to ensure democracy is 100% dead and no jury verdict will be allowed

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      Vive* la révolution (français) ou viva la revolución* (espagnol)

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            I combined French and Spanish in my first comment by accident. I did it intentionally in my response to the correction. The first part is French and says “yeah sorry, you’re right, but…” and the second part is how I’ve seen “why not both” used in Spanish. 2x the revolution, you know?

            I’ll show myself out.