At first, Zelensky rejected the proposal, but the two countries eventually reached an agreement on a revised version. Zelensky traveled to Washington to finalize and sign the deal.
However, tensions escalated when Zelensky tried to explain Russian President Vladimir Putin’s lack of diplomacy to Vice President Vance. Vance accused Zelensky of “litigating” in front of the media and criticized him for appearing in photos with Democrats during the 2024 campaign. He also said Zelensky’s comments were “disrespectful” to the Trump administration.
This sounds just like a setup to humiliate Zelensky and justify this shit to the MAGA brains. Trump and Vance weren’t planning on signing the deal. Pure and simple propaganda. But MAGAs don’t have enough neurons to see it.
Appearing in media with members of the current administration (just like now)? How dare he!
Also, a side thought I had recently: I wonder how these conservatives would feel if Mexico invaded and captured territory in Arizona? I mean, it wasn’t that long ago that it actually was a part of Mexico, and a lot of the population still identifies with that country. Just cede the land to avoid conflict, right?
Edit: Plus, everyone knows Arizona has a Nazi problem, so the invasion would be totally justified, right? Right? lol
New Mexico could suddenly be old.
Exactly.
100%. They were never going to give support to Ukraine.
Could even have been a plot to ruin Zelensky’s reputation on Russia’s behalf per their disinformation campaigns
I think a big part of this being cancelled at this late stage is Europe stepping up and offering peace keepers. I do not think Trump counted on that and wanted the deal with basically no peacekeepers. All along, he was was no to supplying security.
This would have given putin time to rebuild and carte blanche to renew the attack when he was able. Putin can’t do that if Europe is in Ukraine as that would be a massive escalation.
Yeah, I hate to see the US being such a fucking shit ally, but the one silver lining is that Europe does seem to be warming up to the idea of putting boots on the ground and beefing up support for Ukraine.
Russia isn’t going to stop trying to expand, especially after the tactical knowledge they’ve gained. All they want is a break to resupply and rebuild their army. Personally, I think we should have started sending in special covert ‘peacekeeping’ troops several years ago, and given Ukraine top tier kit when Wagner started marching to Moscow. We could have been in a position to devastate Russians military capability. Instead fucking Republican traitors held everything up. Screw the Arab spring, we need an American Spring. Get your scopes sighted in and your bugout bags ready
It’s a win win for them. They get a political win, a promise of money, or both. There’s still a chance the deal gets signed in order to keep getting American weapons. From Zelensky’s point of view they can always slow roll the payments.
yea they almost always needed soundbites for fox, to “reassure maga” brains. as far as news is going they needed to distract from things like his epstein news all the time, everytime that thing comes up, MSM try to pitch an outlandish news to distract the masses.
I wanted to point out something about what Trump said during that meeting…
“You’re in a bad position right now. You don’t have the cards.”
My understanding is that Ukraine did have the cards, they were called nukes, but they gave them up for peace and guarantees of protection from the United States, and others, against invasion.
And then, they got invaded.
Twice.
Edit: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion
Edit2: Always pay attention to what the other hand is doing.
Three times.
The Donetsk conflict was started by militias trained, supplied, and paid by Russia. With Russian troops entering Donestk for technical support, logistical support, and really just any help they needed including combat units to beat back the Ukrainian Army at several points.
Donetsk was the actual “Special Military Operation”.
The scary thing is - ignoring these protection guarantees kills nuclear non proliferation.
Ignoring Ukraine for now, with a few French nukes we don’t have enough in Europe to do nuclear deterrence. The US not being a trustworthy partner anymore and with Russia on our doorstep that means long term we simply need more of our own. I hate the thought, but can’t find a way around it.
The French and UK nuclear arsenal is the only thing standing between humanity and disaster. Sad to say this but you guys need to be pumping those things out fast.
He also incorrectly tried to correct Zelensky on when his fucking country was invaded… Clown
Encapsulates why trump has no business near power of any kind. The most confidently incorrect dickhead anyone will ever meet
Because of Traitorapist Trump, every country in the world will rightly want to have their own nuclear weapons now. You just know that today is going to be mentioned in the history books as the beginning of widespread nuclear proliferation and the dire consequences that follow.
every country in the world will rightly want to have their own nuclear weapons now. You just know that today is going to be mentioned in the history books as the beginning of widespread nuclear proliferation
I’m honestly surprised other countries didn’t start proliferating after the first time Ukraine was invaded by Russia, years ago.
That’s one hell of an object lesson for any country to have learned, watching that happen.
For today, if nothing else, the lesson was learned, if you already have nukes, don’t give them up for promises of protection.
Trump, like every arogant POS has overestimated his strength. Europe can and will enter the conflict as Russia has proven itself to be an existential threat. NATO is dead, but EU has been planning for this. I wouldn’t be surprised if UKR already has or will obtain a nuke and put on a show of force . Nuking Russian troops on its own territory would be fine- and provide ground denial to the Russians.
NATO is dead
Somebody better tell them. In the meanwhile, their twin sibling, OTAN, will take over.
I wouldn’t be surprised if UKR already has or will obtain a nuke
I’d think they would have stopped their war by now if so.
Nuking Russian troops on its own territory would be fine
I’m sure Mr. Radiation will cooperate and not float over any innocent cities, and will stay inside of the political borders where the bomb went off.
I’m also sure that nobody would consider retaliating over something like that, as it would be taken as just a minor misunderstanding.
And yes, /s .
Winds blow east in that part of the world.
They were counting on US support so they played nice. If Europe fails to do anything meaningful we might see UKR do something incalculable.
UKR knows that the only way to stop Putin is to match his posture. They have openly stated last year that they should get a nuke since US is unreliable.
Retaliate for nuking their own territory?
Winds blow east in that part of the world.
[Chernobyl has entered the chat]
Retaliate for nuking their own territory?
So nuke one of the largest ‘bread baskets’ in the World?
Cut off a limb to save the body. Radiation contamination is a pretty effective ground denial strategy- make those eastern oblasts uninhabitable for a 100years. That would afford some time for Russia to turn itself inside out.
I’m not suggesting it’s any planners first choice, but it would certainly protect the border from further ground invasions.
The other hand just released that trumps name shows up 7 times in Eppstein’s flight logs.
No, not a joke, it was released today by trumps own minions.
Link?
This is where I saw it, top result for me of the last 24h:
Thanks.
Didn’t Russia have the keys to those nukes though?
Wouldn’t have mattered even if true. Physical access trumps everything. Worst case scenario, if they really wanted to, they could reverse engineer the primer & guidance system, then replace the originals with their own.
Keep in mind that Ukraine was a massive hub for military industry in the USSR.
My understanding was that Ukraine did.
But also, since they were neighbors, you wouldn’t need to launch missiles, you could just take the payload out of a missile, stick it in a briefcase, and walk it over.
I am going to be the least surprised person in the world when there is a “terrorist attack” against America that gets linked to pissed off Ukrainians.
America is no longer a soveriegn state, its a meat puppet thats beholden to Corpo-Fascists, Israel, and the Russian Mafia.
Ukraine might as well terminate relations with the US, and join hands with Europe and get ready for larger war, because thats the only place this is going.
Ukrainian/American diplomacy on ending the war is pointless, America is on the side of Russia, and Russia has no intention of peace, they want Ukraine to cease to exist. There is nothing to talk about anymore.
Trump threatened ww3 several times in the video. That’s what the world needs to take from this exchange.
WW3 has been going on since 2022.
No one thought so because nuclear weapons werent going off. thats the only reason.
The chance they will increases every day these clowns are in the white house
I don’t disagree. Still, Trump threatening world war 3 is a big deal because Russia and the US have most of the nukes.
My point stands, the world needs to pay attention. I’m sure they are though.
Krasnov gonna krasnov.
“I heard it from Putin.”
At least he got to drop that one off.
I find it really interesting that almost all of the recent comments on the YouTube video are 95% the same and praising “how great all this transparency” is, completely drowning out all other comments. They’re also worded very very similarly.
Plus 5% of how this would be worse under Harris or Biden.
Looking at their profiles, they don’t look like bots to me. Maybe it’s just that MAGAs sound as stupid as a bot swarm.
There’s like a stupidly large amount of bots in YouTube comments.
Apparently they encourage engagement. 🤷
True, the likes might be manufactured. Don’t count on Google to moderate them
yea i noticed that too on alot of scifi channels, especially star trek, doctor who videos. almost always around wokeness.
Actually regardless of any type of video subject, really.
Any new video that I’ve seen, across many different subjects, has robotic comments right away, when the videos are first uploaded, the first minute or three.
I guess the YouTube folks are thinking that if it looks like there’s a bunch of people “in the room” other people will want to jump in and join the conversation.
Then after that, you’ll get robotic responses to your comments, that are usually antagonistic in nature, to try to bring you back to the YouTube app to reply to and continue interacting with the app.
How could you tell anything by their profiles? Most had no content or other information. It’s not like Reddit where you can view their comments.
I checked the super generic comments that seemed AI generated. Some of them had content like videos or decent descriptions. Others had profiles that were as old as 10 years. If they were bots I would expect them to be created in the last few years. There’s a few that are suspicious, but it was maybe 2 in 15 accounts. They could also be hacked accounts.
I only saw one that had videos and one that had a playlist of some videos of a rightwing influencer. I wouldn’t take account age to be a sign of not-bot, both because of compromised accounts as you mentioned and because YouTube botting has been going on for a long time now. It’s 20 years old at this point and video monetization was introduced pretty soon after creation.
Here’s their anti-bot policy page from 2014: https://web.archive.org/web/20140209083324/https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3399767?hl=en
AI has been rapidly employed to create social media profiles. And before AI, there are entire teams dedicated to managing their own “teams” of social media profiles.
You can rest assured, like 70% of “users” on social media sites are just puppet accounts. You, as a private citizen, can rent some of these pools for things like PR campaigns.
theres still teams doing that, in addition to the AI. Reddit is pretty wierd around ai, they use ai for thier moderation but will ban most AI used by users.(they wont do any thing around russia-troll AI accounts) but will happily ban others.
Join my new social network, SSNBook
Everyone is national-identity number verified through a third party overseen by PricewaterhouseCoopers, and we do regular video calls to vibe check you and try to sus out whether you’re posting your own thoughts or just renting out your account
Naturally only 40% of our “users” are bots
[ 👆 I think about this all time ] also for reviews etc.
There is a similar phenomenon on Tiktok. The accounts often have similar name structures, have no picture or some USA flag type pic, but what gets me is that they all have around the same amount of followers or people following them.
Then people will make entire videos to engage with the bots… Drives my blood pressure up when I see it.
I read a while ago about someone doing forensic analysis using the heuristic of analyzing follower count numbers. I forget the exact mechanism, but certain patterns indicate that the follower count was statistically anomalous and therefore likely couldn’t be trusted.
reddit has those types of bots too, especially on the conservative sub, half of it is by russia. and reddit touting how its getting rid of so many spammers,yet they did very little to stop the political ones, instead went after all the OF ones, and the general users too.
Someone needs to end the reign of Trump. What a waste of energy, piece of shit. Burn in hell.
Someone close to him needs to do something, for the good of the entire world.
That’s just vague enough to keep the SS off your back. Good job. Pun intended on SS
Yea, gotta be careful not to Say anything illegal
Honestly, if a USSS agent put a round through that orange paint I’d vote to drop any charges and consider it removing a domestic threat/using the 25th to relieve a leader permanently. Doesn’t solve the rot the conservatives have already spread but if this republic is gonna fall like Rome then let’s at least stop the loudest one
Trump is just the public face of a much bigger problem. As he’s old, he’ll die soon anyways. But the next king is already waiting.
Plenty of old people with nothing left to lose have access to him. I’m just saying, it’d be a real shame…
The US will declare war on Ukraine before getting up off their knee’s from sucking Putin’s knob.
Dont forget declare war on Canada too.
and panama
I think the rest of the world should get ready to fight the US.
They are absolutely deranged at this point and a threat to the rest of the world.
Ukraine, Canada, Mexico, Greenland, what more do we need to cut all ties with it like we did with Russia?
You forgot Panama, too. And I suppose Gaza.
Saddest part of you telling me that is that I forgot them. There’s just so much bullshit coming out of that shitty ass presidents mouth.
It’s been over a year, it’s reasonable to have forgotten some stuff.
<FaceDeer’s aide leans over and whispers briefly in his ear, which flicks up in surprise>
Just over a month? Ah. Well.
It’s been one hell of a year, right?
Captain, it’s been a month!
Why does Treason Trump hate the Free World? Why does he hate freedom and democracy? We does Trump hate America and American values?
Trump: you have not shown gratitude for our help.
Zelenaky: I have thanked the US many times for the support given.
Trump: you haven’t shown ENOUGH gratitude. Just say thank you.
Zelenaky: I do thank the US
Trump: You didn’t say it while kissing the ring.
such a putin script hes using.
What a bunch of fucking dorks, Vance and Trump are
Yeah, it really stood out to me what a little brown nosing baby Vance is. “Yeah, you think you can just come in here and talk to my daddy that way?!” He’s got that ‘guy trying to move out of the friendzone for the third straight year’ energy for Trump.
I dislike authoritarian egomaniacs like Trump, Musk, Melei, Johnson, Orban, Putin and all of their supporters who are very aware of their wrongdoings.
I don’t dislike the people suffering from those evil doers. I would gladly welcome the UK back to the EUl, celebrate freedom the the people of the USA and drunk Wodka with Russians as long as were all nice to one another.
It’s not about nations but about people.
I fully agree with you, sadly some world leaders benefit way more from dividing and isolating.
The only way forward as the human race in the long term will either be as 1 people (the UN is a good step towards this but clearly not enough) or as a post apocalyptic shattered, severely diminished population. Sadly it’s looking more and more like it’ll be the second one…
Zekenskyy did the best he could; he came in humility and he really didn’t have any cards at that table. He had no cards because he didn’t come to play, he came to capitulate to the whims of a tyrant to try and save the lives of his countrymen by signing a one-sided deal.
That video will go down in history as one of the greatest moments of infamy in this age - if there were any justice Trump and the puppet masters behind him should be tried for the spark that lit the third world war.
I read what happened, and after I knew I watched the video clip.
I’m still under shock.
The world is turning, this is an important point in history. I was in disbelief for a long time, but we Europeans can’t trust the US anymore.
This might be a good thing after all, we need to wean off the American teat and decouple ourselves. We need our own tech stacks, we need our own EU troops and we need our own whatever Nato once was.
We need to jump in and cough up the money to replace the Ukraine Support the US did.
I’m fucking afraid, the risk of
an even bigger war just greatly increased.But whatever will happen we’ll never be able to trust the USA again, even if things get better there’s no guarantee the same shit happens again 4 years later.
The only rational thing is to isolate ourselves from the sick patient.
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If anyone had doubts about the US switching to Russia’s side, this is it.
The US is already suspending help to Ukraine.
