- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
Summary
Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.
Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.
During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.
The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”
The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.
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I’m glad we get to see this shameful display. I wouldn’t talk to a dog like that, much less the democratically elected leader of another sovereign nation that’s an ally. The US used to be a beacon of freedom and diplomacy, but clearly we shouldn’t expect that from the current regime.
Europe will keep supporting Ukraine regardless, but it really is in the US’ interests to stay involved in this conflict. It’s disconcerting that Trump can’t seem to grasp that basic fact.
Zelensky can only blame himself. If he showed some sense and restraint he would have returned to Ukraine with the deal. This is not the way you should act with Trump, and I should say especially not when your country depends on US support to the extend Ukraine does.
Remind me what Trump’s Russian asset code name is?
Ah yes, President Krasnov.
King Krasnov
FTFY
He reminds me of the president of Belarus too. That’s not good for the future of America.
remember you guys. peace day 1! trump never lies
Wrote up a summary months ago (with reputable sources!) about this stuff, and was permabanned from Lemmy news and politics for it.
Idk man, you can tell people stuff, but it’s so hard for them to access what’s real right now. There’s a concerted online effort to suppress factual info.
The trouble is that this was probably intentional, you can see the vp is literally an attack dog in this case, but I still think it’s likely that if zelensky stroked trumps ego it wouldn’t have ended that way. It’s like trump is pro Russia but also narcissistic and they are sometimes at odds.
That sucks and permabans really shouldn’t be a thing except in extreme causes of threatening to like harm/dox some one and stuff like that. Not seeing where you did anything to get banned at all, but especially not permabanned.
If Lemmy just ends up being another reddit that’s going to suck so bad.
We need a government social media that allows us to sue mods for freedom of speech violations, and allows us to host and have a centralized area for town halls and city concerns, eg like local FB or Reddit groups.
Until then, whatever, I won’t shut up and they will have to keep banning me. I’m only on these “big” socials to let people know this stuff, otherwise I stick to niche independent forums that focus on 1 special interest. The difference between posters there, who are real and human and there to discuss the interest instead of psyop, and the posters on big socials, is night and day. The little indie forums don’t really need to ban people because they aren’t the focus of psyops, and so you get to see a wide variety of opinions and less of an echo chamber. Idk, I miss the old internet
yeah the best subs on reddit are almost always at least semi-niche with mods who are serious about the topic but not a-holes. I haven’t had many issues with many mods but I still avoid most of the main subs simply because the discussion there is often very weak.
Do you have any recommendations on how to find indie forums? I don’t know if there are lists or whatnot out there.
Oh, these are independent websites. Not sections of Reddit.
Here’s an example, the Ray Peat Forum (renamed Low Toxin Forum), I’m not a member/believer of those ideas, but I trawl through their studies sometimes for research with other stuff (better than r/science sometimes), and I love their fights so much: https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/this-guy-says-he-has-found-the-holy-grail-on-how-to-remove-excess-copper-iron.53550/
To find this forum, I believe I typed in something on a search about fat soluble vitamins and forums (or discussion board) and it came up. I take time to sift through results (go a few pages deep to find the lower SEO results) and see if the forums I find mention sister forums. I then will search stuff like, “Is Low Toxin Forum reliable?” and see who is talking about the forum and what they have to say.
This doesn’t work super well though for politics, stocks, news, or crypto, I’ve found - those forums tend to be scammy for some reason. But ironically I’ve been on several gambling forums and those aren’t nearly as sketchy.
Ah yeah I was actually talking about non reddit places. I do remember the pre reddit days when those forums were common. Maybe it’s rose colored glasses but I do remember the convos being a bit deeper.
Well, hopefully Lemmy or someone figures out how to do reddit better than reddit tbh.
hey! I remember you! I saved your whole comment.
your comment made me think something worse was on the way and made me start to prepare.
thanks!
Good, that is the point, I want people to be safe, stay alive, have food to eat and homes to live in. Take care!
Does that link lead to a “Server error” for anyone else?
There can be absolutely zero doubt that Trump is a Russian stooge
Well, we’re going to have to make friends with Iran to make our membership in the Axis of Evil official.
Trump is such a piece of shit, zelensky showed so much restraint. I think I would have slapped that traitor into the next dimension
It is not our place to fund their war and their country any longer. Americans need help and those hundreds of billions could be helping our people. If Ukraine wants to continue fighting then do it without US support.
Those billions went to military industrial companies, directly funding manufacturing jobs in the USA.
Yes we supplied the weapons but we also have been funding their government. Ukraine functions because we and the Europeans pay for it.
Is that a bad thing?
Yes it is because keeping Ukraine out of Putin’s hands is essential to Western prosperity. Do you understand Ukraine’s role in global wheat production? Do you understand the value of naval ports in the Black Sea? Do you understand the danger of having a Russian border even further in Europe and NATO? Plus, do you think you’re going to see any of the savings? The maybe 1.5% of the federal budget that went to Ukraine…so if you miraculously got those $20 of your federal income tax back, they are gonna turn your life around?
Your funds are being used so that Ukrainian soldiers can risk their lives defending your border with your biggest enemy.
we had the same “we could use that money for our people!” with Brexit. Guess what? spoiler; the money doesn’t go to “the people”.
His tone is quite different with Kim Jong Un and Putin.
They can’t even look him in the eye. They know he’s telling the truth and they’re full of shit.
It would be wildly illegal for me to say what I think of, and wish for, both Trump and Vance, but I’m still gonna quietly pray to whoever is listening that it happens.
Yeah, accuse someone who just wants his country to survive a constant and ongoing aggression of “gambling with World War III”, and kiss the ass of the aggressor despot who constantly threatens to nuke the world if someone looks at him wrong.
