I’ve seen many threads suggesting products but they often don’t mention FOSS projects, which should always be preferred to corporate software. With FOSS you are already boycotting capitalism, on either side. Free and Open Source ignores borders and shouldn’t be categorized in nationalist terms, no matter where some of the maintainers happen to live.

        • Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.caEnglish
          8·
          2 days ago

          I don’t know about that, to be honest.

          I don’t have any hard data to back me up, but anecdotally I find that most FOSS software I use is headquartered in Europe. Quite often Germany. There are many maintainers from all over the world, but I feel like (again…in my experience) Europe has always been bigger into starting such projects.

      • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 days ago

        I mean, open source projects can be started or based in the US. But that doesn’t mean it’s an American project; it’s just that the people who started it happened to be American.

        I guess if we had to point to a specific American OSS, maybe Tor would qualify? It was initially developed by the CIA, so that may qualify it as US OSS. But it has since taken on a life of its own and the CIA doesn’t have any hand in active development anymore… So it’s still hard to say that even “being made by the literal US government” qualifies an OSS project as “American”.

        It’s sort of a Ship of Theseus situation. At what point in the development process do we consider it a non-American project?

  • Riley@lemmy.mlEnglish
    32·
    2 days ago

    I always like to say the fruits of FOSS labour are the common heritage of mankind. It belongs to all of us as a public good, created and maintained by selfless workers. (Nevermind the fact that most FOSS projects are based out of Europe anyways).

  • kingthrillgore@lemmy.ml
    31·
    2 days ago

    I came into this thinking its more like “Oh no open sores is full of communists let me pay for worse software I never own” which is an argument that comes from the same camp as “this software I don’t like is woke”

  • jrozycki@lemm.ee
    5·
    2 days ago

    I think there is a different problem. Many of the best FOSS products are unknown to the general public ;/

    • MoonlightFox@lemmy.world
      3·
      2 days ago

      I agree, but am happy that X is losing users to Bluesky, so I don’t try to convert friends and family from Bluesky to Masrodon. I’d rather they start changing other stuff instead that is easier.

      • irelephant [he/him]🍭@lemm.eeEnglish
        21·
        2 days ago

        Oh definitely, Bluesky is far better than twitter. Honestly, seeing the fediverse piss itself over bluesky is annoying, because the alternative is people still on twitter.

    • chebra@mstdn.io
      511·
      3 days ago

      @Irelephant

      > “Hey guys, I want to leave X, should I go to Bluesky or Threads? What? Mastodon? Never heard of that. Looks very complicated, I’ll pass”
      > – CEO, founder, IT wizz on LinkedIn

      Every time!

      • adbenitez@lemmy.ml
        1814·
        3 days ago

        Or the classic “guys I am leaving WhatsApp, moved my whole family to Signal, another centralized US-based silo that requires phone numbers and runs on AWS, CloudFlare, etc.”

        • a Kendrick fan@lemmy.ml
          32·
          2 days ago

          Thanks for sticking it to the Signal shills, I use Telegram and I understand how bad it is but I’d never use signal in a million years

        • tkr@jlai.lu
          5·
          2 days ago

          we’re not classic, we’re advanced nerds engineers : signal is one church without any interoperability, so we’ve moved to both SIP and XMPP variants using differents provider in the family : everything is decentralized, exactly like email (we dont use gafam ones). It’s not that hard to enjoy xmpp, and really decentralized tools, a bit like for SIP (we have several Voip providers here).

          • adbenitez@lemmy.ml
            11·
            2 days ago

            I like SIP and XMPP, but in practice I don’t have any contacts to use it and the apps are lacking a bit compared to ArcaneChat/DeltaChat, besides the problem of losing groups because the XMPP server went down etc. there are some downsides but yes, if I was not satisfied with ArcaneChat I would use XMPP and SIP, or anything that is open source, decentralized and doesn’t require a phone number

        • easily3667@lemmus.orgEnglish
          327·
          2 days ago

          Signal: over a decade of leaking nothing and providing a great service for free, with some weird hiccups along the way like cryptocurrency.

          Privacy “advocates”: fuck signal

          • adbenitez@lemmy.mlEnglish
            146·
            2 days ago
            1. if they leaked something you wouldn’t know because US government law doesn’t allow them to disclose if they requested data.
            2. uses AWS servers that also the gov could ask for access to Amazon directly without even talking to Signal, being centralized and depending on AWS infra is also a weakness.
            3. needing phone numbers to register, often tied to passport and it is super easy to get your whole network when compromising 1 device
            4. all centralized services start nice, attracting users, once they have you, and money starts being a problem… meet: enshitification
            • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
              152·
              2 days ago

              1. If they were leaking there would be prosecutors using the evidence in court, on the public record.

              2. It doesn’t matter what infrastructure that they use because the service provides end to end encryption. This remains secure even if a third party is able to record all of the traffic between the two devices.

              3. Has there ever been a single instance where a Signal client had a RCE exploit? Of all of the software on your phone likely to be exploited, signal is low on the list (your browser is where they get you).

              4. Enshittification is a reason to leave, speculation about maybe possible enshittification in the future is not.

        • qpsLCV5@lemmy.ml
          9·
          3 days ago

          i mean… it is massively better, but yes it still sucks. but what do you move friends and family to? last i looked into element it was not an option for several reasons, and i don’t think anyone would switch to basically noname apps like simplex or similar, even if they might be decent solutions. i really want the last few contacts i have on whatsapp to move, but i’m not gonna push hard to get them to use signal just to get it enshittified in the near future. also a few switched to telegram, which while not facebook, is not really better mainly because it doesn’t even e2ee by default.

            • jevans ⁂@lemmy.mlEnglish
              31·
              2 days ago

              ArcaneChat is dope. I’m testing it out with my partner right now. The built-in Jitsi button is super helpful. My extended family (about 30 people) switched over to signal a few years ago, so there is some inertia there, but for any new chats, DeltaChat (and ArcaneChat for Android users) is what I’m going to push for.

          • EySkibidiBabBab@feddit.dk
            2·
            3 days ago

            What’s the reasons against Element :)? Currently testing it with some friends of mine, before trying to lure my family on it instead of iMessage. So would be interested in why you don’t think it’s feasible.

            • chebra@mstdn.io
              21·
              2 days ago

              @EySkibidiBabBab Element? That’s just one of the apps, and frankly, not the best one. You are looking for Matrix. For android I’d recommend FluffyChat, for desktop/web Cinny. For iOS I’d recommend throwing it to a lake.

              • EySkibidiBabBab@feddit.dk
                7·
                2 days ago

                Element?

                Element! :D

                I’m fully aware of the relationship between Matrix and Element as well as alternative clients existing. I actually find it kinda hard to communicate about. Whenever i say something like “i sent you a link on Matrix” the few people i use Matrix with get confused. People are used to referring to app/client-names: fb messenger, outlook, iMessage (even if i’m sending an sms) and not the underlying technology.

                I’ve tried explaining it like email - you can register an email somewhere and access it through several email clients. But i mean, people who’s not as much into software as i (and i suspect you as well due to your fine recommendations) – and still refers to their email as “outlook” – they can have a hard time wrapping their head around that relationship. An app is just an app… Right?

                The reason i referred to it as “element” in my comment, was because the comment i replied to referred to it as Element tho.

    • Engywuck@lemm.ee
      498·
      3 days ago

      I think OP means that one shouldn’t boycott FOSS projects just because they are from USA. That said, I don’t like to be told what I have to do and don’t agree to “FOSS projects, which should always be preferred to corporate software”. My pc, my LAN, my rules.

      • not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPEnglish
        71·
        2 days ago

        you seem to hold your individual freedoms high, there is a kind of software i think you’ll really like

        • Engywuck@lemm.ee
          112·
          2 days ago

          You seem to wanting to school me about what my preference should be. I’ll happily block you. Bye.

          • Yppm@lemy.lolEnglish
            6·
            1 day ago

            They were just pointing out that saying “my PC my rules” is pretty funny when you advocate for closed source software on it. Your PC their rules.

            Obviously it was tongue in cheek so chill.

            • Engywuck@lemm.ee
              11·
              19 hours ago

              That was a shitty reply with paternalistic attitude. The kind of fundamentalist attitude which alienates people from some communities. I use Linux and FOSS exclusively since decades, but if I happily fire up a VM to use some CS software that is only available for Windows, if that allows me to do my job better or faster. I don’t need some stranger in the internet telling me that my workflow is broken because of “principles”. These people better stay in my block list.

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
        49·
        3 days ago

        I don’t like to be told what I have to do and don’t agree to “FOSS projects, which should always be preferred to corporate software”. My pc, my LAN, my rules.

        …he said, without a hint of irony.

        Meanwhile, “my PC, my LAN, my rules” is precisely the reason I do agree with always preferring FOSS to corporate software.

  • Petter1@lemm.ee
    102·
    2 days ago

    Lol, first time I hear that, as European😆 what a stupid movement…

  • Emma Liv@lemmy.caEnglish
    442·
    3 days ago

    Counterpoint: Fedora is a testing bed for Red Hat. One of Red Hat’s notable customers is the US military. I’d prefer to stay off that path if I can help it. It’s a matter of trust, and it’s a matter of indirectly contributing. I’ve seen people say the same things about Deepin and everyone nods in agreement, but why the hell should I trust a US project, for the same reasons?

    • RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      341·
      3 days ago

      Honestly this should be a wake call to the FOSS community that we are way too reliant on the US.

      Every default we have is US centric and if FOSS is really meant for everyone we should move away from that.

    • Shareni@programming.dev
      176·
      3 days ago

      why the hell should I trust a US project

      Bekuz Amerika fridom wurld polis, best kontri in da world!

      But on a more serious note, did you know Linus banned those Russian contributors like a month after redhat and DoD signed a new deal. Can you guess who owns RH stocks?

  • Blackbeard@feddit.it
    1·
    7 hours ago

    Not sure why you say that, all projects I’m seeing they ALL include FOSS, sometimes they just specify if one is European and another one no. Also, and to be fair this is the main reason your post make no sense, there is not only software but mainly services and goods as core part of the projects.

  • m532@lemmygrad.ml
    1·
    13 hours ago

    More like “buy white”

    The white supremacists think trump bailed on them so they are desperate to hold the remains of their fourth reich together

    And of course they hate FOSS, because they hate freedom

  • AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
    112·
    2 days ago

    There are some pretty corporate “open core” software companies tho, that’s a more grey area

      • AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        It’s hard to say. “Open core” means that most of the software is open source (licenses vary) but some features are locked behind a paywall. Gitlab takes this approach for example, also maybe onlyoffice.